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no am not, I don't see US calling their LCS (a larger ships than your "destroyers") as destroyers, so do China, Russia and many major militaries.

Apparently you cannot comprehend the simple issue I raised earlier. Lets try this again, Iran calls naval warships as "Navshekan", how English news agencies decide to translate that is not an issue of the Iranian defence ministry. We can keep going in circles here if you desperately need to.
 
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Apparently you cannot comprehend the simple issue I raised earlier. Lets try this again, Iran calls naval warships as "Navshekan", how English news agencies decide to translate that is not an issue of the Iranian defence ministry. We can keep going in circles here if you desperately need to.
what comprehend, Turkey imported it's need so do Iran, case closed.


you and me, happy
 
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Malfunction is judged by logic, not a minot grammar error caused by automation of computer word-correct. Now shall we we go back to the topic or are you still trying to deviate?
no, it's an interconnected issue with one's mental and physical health. you need to sleep
 
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Turkey imports, we agree. But I am still waiting for you to show me an Iranian UAV using imported engines not made by Iran. Houthis ≠ Iran.
am sure your rotax engine are imported
Turkey imports, we agree. But I am still waiting for you to show me an Iranian UAV using imported engines not made by Iran. Houthis ≠ Iran.
Houthis=Iran
 
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That would be true if I was the computer autocorrecting words.
but you're not, next time use computer assistance to check if Iran is already 100% independent in military manufacturing.
 
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Well, they tried to hard pressure those companies from continuing to sell these parts to Turkey, which led to your lemonade-seller turned president to foam at the west because your grey wolf army is completely dependent on western technology.

Canadian block on drone parts shows Turkey’s defense industry still not independent

ANKARA, Turkey — The Canadian government’s decision to suspend export of key drone parts to Turkey has once again thrown a spotlight on Turkey’s ongoing efforts to develop a self-sufficient defense industry.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan often boasts at party rallies that his governance since 2002 has reduced Turkey’s dependency on foreign weapons systems from 80 percent to 30 percent. There is truth in that, although the actual percentages remain a mystery, mainly due to the difficulty of defining what is truly a local or national system.

Most Turkish “national” systems depend on various degrees of foreign input, often including critical parts only available abroad. The T129, an “indigenous” attack helicopter, is a Turkish variant of the Italian-British AgustaWestland A129 Mangusta chopper. Turkey’s local industry has no engine technology.

The “national” new generation tank Altay is facing major delays, due to the lack of a foreign engine and transmission system. Turkey’s first “indigenous” landing platform dock, the TCG Anadolu, will enter into service next year, but the $1 billion or more ship is being built under license from Spain’s Navantia.

Even Turkey’s biggest success in the past few years, a locally-built drone known as the Bayraktar TB-2, features critical foreign parts — an issue now in the spotlight following Canadian Foreign Minister Francois-Philippe Champagne’s Oct. 5 announcement to suspend export permits of drone technology to Turkey, which is backing Azerbaijan in the recent Azeri-Armenian military conflict.

Champagne issued the pause in exports alongside an order for his ministry to investigate claims that Canadian drone technology is being used in the fighting. The decision followed an announcement by disarmament group Project Ploughshares, which warned the multimillion-dollar exports of high-tech sensors and targeting technology produced by L3Harris WESCAM in Burlington, Ont., are in direct contravention of Canada’s domestic laws and its international obligations under the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty, to which the Trudeau government acceded almost exactly a year ago.

L3Harris WESCAM, the Canadian subsidiary of U.S. defense giant L3Harris, is one of the world’s leading producers and exporters of electro-optical/infra-red (EO/IR) imaging and targeting sensor systems — both of which are featured on the Bayraktar drones.

“These sensors are integral for their ability to conduct drone warfare, which they’ve done increasingly... in the past few years across several conflict zones,” Kelsey Gallagher, a Project Ploughshares researcher, told Radio Canada International. “If the exports of these sensors were completely halted, then Turkey would not have the sensors necessary to conduct modern airstrikes.”

“This [the suspension of Canadian supplies] may cause disruption in the production line,” said one local aerospace analyst, “unless substituted immediately.”

“There may be some other foreign suppliers to be used as a stop-gap solution," the analyst added. "But this is mostly a Western (including Israeli) technology and may not reach Turkish manufacturers due to political reasons.”

Turkey’s top procurement official, however, has a solution. Ismail Demir, president of the defense procurement agency SSB, twitted Oct. 6, the day after the Canadian decision, that Turkey would soon start to mass produce the CATS electro-optical system, to replace the WESCAM technology used in the TB-2 drone.

CATS will be produced by military electronics specialist Aselsan, Turkey’s biggest defense company. Demir said that Aselsan has also begun to work on developing a future version of the CATS system.

Demir also talked up another new indigenous ambition: Project Özgür, or “free” in Turkish. Özgür is part of a broader upgrade effort designed to extend the life of the Turkish F-16 fleet.

“This program aims to completely nationalize electronic systems on our F-16s,” Demir told the HaberTurk newspaper Oct. 6. The full upgrade work will also involve structural and avionic modernization.

Turkey views the F-16 upgrades as a stop-gap solution before it builds its own indigenous fighter, the TF-X. But the TF-X effort has moved at a crawl, with no notable progress in the past few years, due mainly to the lack of an engine to power the planned fighter.


Your army and defence industry is completely dependent on access to Western/NATO technology. Anyone suggesting that Turkey is in Iran's self-sufficient league is being ridiculous. The Turks have never been equal to Persian science and brains, not even when Iran is facing an embargo.


The Engine and Flir was Canadian.... The rest is stories... Iran self sufficient leageu ahahaha. Some of you even claimed that they are in top 5....
 
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Your replies are getting weaker by the second. Perhaps spend a little more time formulating some proper responses.
no, it's not. case is closed, Iran and Turkey are not yet 100% sufficient in all military manufacturing. no need to write a book about it.
 
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The copy cat engineering techology of Iran tells you about quality. How long can a copy cat uav with full load fly? Bayraktar passed 200000 hours of flight, mean time Iran uav technology is good for his inhabitants. Make them believe that they are technology hub in the middle east :cheesy: .
 
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no, it's not. case is closed, Iran and Turkey are not yet 100% sufficient in all military manufacturing.

No one said Iran is 100% self-sufficient, the point is it is vastly more sufficient than the likes of Turkey. Admittedly, Turkey is not as bad as the likes of S.Arabia, but still nothing to brag about.
The copy cat engineering techology of Iran

Being a copy cat is better than relying on imports for even the most basic, right?

How long can a copy cat uav with full load fly?

Come again?

Bayraktar passed 200000 hours of flight, mean time Iran uav technology is good for his inhabitants. Make them believe that they are technology hub in the middle east

That UAV has the world recorded for the number of times a UAV has been shot down.
 
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That UAV has the world recorded for the number of times a UAV has been shot down.


according to dictators and low level countries with a level of millitia army(one them syria with hizbies from iran and afghanistan). They have shot more Bayraktars then it is produce, if you tell amount they shot down will be passing the 300...

everything what makes you feel good... lol


hizbies toasted by bayraktar.....
 
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according to dictators and low level countries with a level of millitia army(one them syria with hizbies from iran and afghanistan). They have shot more Bayraktars then it is produce, if you tell amount they shot down will be passing the 300...everything what makes you feel good... lol

Sorry, but there are independent sources on these matters. A quick search can reveal that for you.

Drone Losses Impact Turkey’s Fighting in Libya



You see, not everyone relies on Turkish propaganda for their sources.
 
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The Engine and Flir was Canadian.... The rest is stories... Iran self sufficient leageu ahahaha. Some of you even claimed that they are in top 5....

Did you deliberately looked over this quote?:

“If the exports of these sensors were completely halted, then Turkey would not have the sensors necessary to conduct modern airstrikes.”

Proud Turk whose entire army and defense industry relies on western technology tries to laugh at a self-sufficient country (Iran) that keeps stunning even its adversaries:

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Gen. Joseph Votel, the former U.S. Centcom commander who retired from the Army in March, said the gains in Iran’s missile capability have been surprisingly rapid.

“We’ve been watching this for a while, with both these drones and with missiles and other things that can actually penetrate defensive systems and get in and hit those sensitive targets,” Votel said in an interview with the CTC Sentinel, a publication of the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point.

Most disturbing, Votel said, is the “maturation of these systems and how quickly [the Iranians] are learning.”

“When you look at our long learning curve here, theirs is much sharper,” he said. “They’re taking advantage of what we have learned.”


Iran is almost weekly penetrating the latest American military systems in Saudi Arabia manned by the British and Americans, while your country is patting itself on the back for engaging redundant and outdated soviet AD systems in Armenia.

Please...
 
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Did you deliberately looked over this quote?:

“If the exports of these sensors were completely halted, then Turkey would not have the sensors necessary to conduct modern airstrikes.”

Proud Turk whose entire army and defense industry relies on western technology tries to laugh at a self-sufficient country (Iran) that keeps stunning even its adversaries:

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Gen. Joseph Votel, the former U.S. Centcom commander who retired from the Army in March, said the gains in Iran’s missile capability have been surprisingly rapid.

“We’ve been watching this for a while, with both these drones and with missiles and other things that can actually penetrate defensive systems and get in and hit those sensitive targets,” Votel said in an interview with the CTC Sentinel, a publication of the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point.

Most disturbing, Votel said, is the “maturation of these systems and how quickly [the Iranians] are learning.”

“When you look at our long learning curve here, theirs is much sharper,” he said. “They’re taking advantage of what we have learned.”


Iran is almost weekly penetrating the latest American military systems in Saudi Arabia manned by the British and Americans, while your country is patting itself on the back for engaging redundant and outdated soviet AD systems in Armenia.

Please...


Looollll

this is latest picture of production line of Bayraktar....

Sorry stop writing stupid article of a random dumb journalist who don't have a idea what he is talking about....

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