Iran and Saudi Arabia reportedly agree to resume diplomatic ties and re-open embassies within two months

[Muhammed45]

China became a proven peace maker. Gotta give it to them, respects.

Americans have always abused kingdom of Arabian peninsula in their own favor and it began by British colonizers. The land of Hijaz is sacred for us, it truly is a wish of mine to see them in line with us. The Islamic golden age can be revived if the internal wars are ended one way or the other.

The struggle among Muslims over religious differences can be seen in this thread, it is sad but in some cases inevitable. I believe it can be solved by peaceful discussions and avoiding insults. Otherwise, we would have to begin from the starting point in a never ending cycle.

Contract married without money is free sex, contract married with money is prostitution.

Then what is "Dowry upon request"? By what you suggest, Islamic marriage in its nature is some kind of prostitution.

Mutah was legal during rule of prophet himself. It was forbidden by one of Sunni caliphs and i think that it was a right decision to make since some figures abused that Mutah. After prophet, rich men tried to abuse it. Mutah in nature is the same marriage with only one difference, it is limited by time. It includes all responsibilities defined for both genders in marriage such as dowry, alimony,iddah (40 days for women), etc.

Mutah marriage happens rarely, it is completely forbidden for virgin girls since it requires father's permission and no father would agree with such kind of marriage for his daughter. Single men also should avoid it since they are free for permanent marriage. Single men could destroy their future with Mutah since it deprives them from having a virgin wife and few girls would agree to marry with a man that is not virgin with that past.

Mutah is out of necessity, the women that lost their men because of wars, accidents, sudden death etc can be permanently deprived from having a husband again. Mutah defines a way for these women to have a partner without committing sin and without being abused. It forces men into providing widows with their legal rights. To avoid prostitution, Mutah is a necessity.

 

[Trango Towers]

Israel USA UK France and the West in general will do everything to pressure Saudi to drop this agreement. If MBS doesn't come in line they will get him killed.
While China on surface is pushing for peace trade and aid the west is focused on war war war for the sons of Israeli nazis

 

[mr.robot]

A slap on the face of American Puppets in G.H.Q

 

[MH.Yang]

It may happen sooner then that as china has already appointed a pro Russian hawk as defense minister gen. Li Shangfu

China's defense minister is only the mascot of the military. It does not hold any real power.

It is the nine members of the Central Military Commission who really control the military, and the officer responsible for formulating military policies is the Chief of the General Staff.

 

[lydian fall]

China became a proven peace maker. Gotta give it to them, respects.

Americans have always abused kingdom of Arabian peninsula in their own favor and it began by British colonizers. The land of Hijaz is sacred for us, it truly is a wish of mine to see them in line with us. The Islamic golden age can be revived if the internal wars are ended one way or the other.

The struggle among Muslims over religious differences can be seen in this thread, it is sad but in some cases inevitable. I believe it can be solved by peaceful discussions and avoiding insults. Otherwise, we would have to begin from the starting point in a never ending cycle.

Then what is "Dowry upon request"? By what you suggest, Islamic marriage in its nature is some kind of prostitution.

Mutah was legal during rule of prophet himself. It was forbidden by one of Sunni caliphs and i think that it was a right decision to make since some figures abused that Mutah. After prophet, rich men tried to abuse it. Mutah in nature is the same marriage with only one difference, it is limited by time. It includes all responsibilities defined for both genders in marriage such as dowry, alimony,iddah (40 days for women), etc.

Mutah marriage happens rarely, it is completely forbidden for virgin girls since it requires father's permission and no father would agree with such kind of marriage for his daughter. Single men also should avoid it since they are free for permanent marriage. Single men could destroy their future with Mutah since it deprives them from having a virgin wife and few girls would agree to marry with a man that is not virgin with that past.

Mutah is out of necessity, the women that lost their men because of wars, accidents, sudden death etc can be permanently deprived from having a husband again. Mutah defines a way for these women to have a partner without committing sin and without being abused. It forces men into providing widows with their legal rights. To avoid prostitution, Mutah is a necessity.

Well explained.

 

[OldTwilight]

China became a proven peace maker. Gotta give it to them, respects.

Americans have always abused kingdom of Arabian peninsula in their own favor and it began by British colonizers. The land of Hijaz is sacred for us, it truly is a wish of mine to see them in line with us. The Islamic golden age can be revived if the internal wars are ended one way or the other.

The struggle among Muslims over religious differences can be seen in this thread, it is sad but in some cases inevitable. I believe it can be solved by peaceful discussions and avoiding insults. Otherwise, we would have to begin from the starting point in a never ending cycle.



Mutah is out of necessity, the women that lost their men because of wars, accidents, sudden death etc can be permanently deprived from having a husband again. Mutah defines a way for these women to have a partner without committing sin and without being abused. It forces men into providing widows with their legal rights. To avoid prostitution, Mutah is a necessity.

Many rich widows or divorced are afraid of permanent marriage because they are afraid the men only marry them for their wealth , so they are more willing to muttah in first phase of relationship...


Every law can be misused....

 

[Trango Towers]

Many rich widows or divorced are afraid of permanent marriage because they are afraid the men only marry them for their wealth , so they are more willing to muttah in first phase of relationship...


Every law can be misused....

Doesn't every woman do that

 

[Falcon29]

Iran-Al-Dajjal and Israel666 need to be nuked off the face of the earth.

 

[SalarHaqq]

@waz @LeGenD @WebMaster

 

[OldTwilight]

Doesn't every woman do that

Nope , if the women are poor , they usually asked for marriage...
If they are rich , some of them usually ask for muttah for begining ...


But these days , some great number of men and women even don't believe in muttah and engage in sexual relationship without any regard about hallal and Haram ...


I personally don't excersie muttah and in my clans this is considered as dishonored matter and generally not practices in southern Iran ...

But muttah is bridge between open sexual relationship and permanent marriage ....

For sure muttah with defined boundaries and iddiah for women is better than open sexual relationship

 

[Beny Karachun]

One month before: June 2017 Tehran terrorist attacks with "foreign assistance", Israel bombed Syrian rebels, that made Assad happy, Hezbollah/Iranian puppets got jealous from Israel and disclosed a rocket factory ... starting July, when the aircraft carrier came, Israel threat to attack and destroy the factory, when the aircraft carrier was in port, finally nothing happened, but it was near and WELL PLANNED by the twisted empire that made all twisted actions of this planet .

Well, it's only my guess, maybe I'm absolutely wrong.

But 2011/2012 Hormuz tensions were more clear, a error and Israel could wiped out by Iran, USA instigated that and they dont care about Israel safety.

Iran can't wipe us out lol, even if they concentrate all their power at us, Iran today has at most 3000 ballistic missiles and cruise missiles that can reach Israel, and they're very unreliable at that, looking at the failure of almost 40% of Iran's missiles when they were used against the American air base in Iraq. Our air defense systems can deal with such numbers at both midcourse and terminal stages.

Back in 2012 Iran's missiles were smaller in quantity and quality, Israel was never in a situation it "could have been wiped out".

Iran is a paper tiger, and a bunch of people vastly overestimate the capabilities of conventional weapons like IRBMs.

 

[Trango Towers]

Nope , if the women are poor , they usually asked for marriage...
If they are rich , some of them usually ask for muttah for begining ...


But these days , some great number of men and women even don't believe in muttah and engage in sexual relationship without any regard about hallal and Haram ...


I personally don't excersie muttah and in my clans this is considered as dishonored matter and generally not practices in southern Iran ...

But muttah is bridge between open sexual relationship and permanent marriage ....

For sure muttah with defined boundaries and iddiah for women is better than open sexual relationship

Do one mate.

U propagate muttah but can we do that with your sister? Will u be ok with that?

Iran can't wipe us out lol, even if they concentrate all their power at us, Iran today has at most 3000 ballistic missiles and cruise missiles that can reach Israel, and they're very unreliable at that, looking at the failure of almost 40% of Iran's missiles when they were used against the American air base in Iraq. Our air defense systems can deal with such numbers at both midcourse and terminal stages.

Back in 2012 Iran's missiles were smaller in quantity and quality, Israel was never in a situation it "could have been wiped out".

Iran is a paper tiger, and a bunch of people vastly overestimate the capabilities of conventional weapons like IRBMs.

Didn't your father proclaim a 1000year Reich?

 

[BHAN85]

Iran can't wipe us out lol, even if they concentrate all their power at us, Iran today has at most 3000 ballistic missiles and cruise missiles that can reach Israel, and they're very unreliable at that, looking at the failure of almost 40% of Iran's missiles when they were used against the American air base in Iraq. Our air defense systems can deal with such numbers at both midcourse and terminal stages.

Back in 2012 Iran's missiles were smaller in quantity and quality, Israel was never in a situation it "could have been wiped out".

Iran is a paper tiger, and a bunch of people vastly overestimate the capabilities of conventional weapons like IRBMs.

Maybe it's not wipe out, but Hezbollah rockets and Iran missiles could kill a lot of Israeli civilians.

If USA care about Israel, they must use the economic tool to control Iran instead military tool.

And they did in 2015 Iran Deal, but without Israel interests again, although better that than a war.

 

[lydian fall]

In pre Islamic Arabia Arabs had so many types of joy and adultery and they always sacrificed their women and children

Most of children didn't know their real father...

Arabia was a male-dominated society. Women had no status of any kind other than as sex objects.The number of women a man could marry was not fixed. When a man died, his son “inherited” all his wives except his own mother.

A savage custom of the Arabs was to bury their female infants alive. Even if an Arab did not wish to bury his daughter alive, he still had to uphold this “honorable” tradition, being unable to resist social pressures.

Drunkenness was a common vice of the Arabs. With drunkenness went their gambling. They were compulsive drinkers and compulsive gamblers. The relations of the sexes were extremely loose. Many women sold sex to make their living since there was little else they could do. These women flew flags on their houses, and were called “ladies of the flags” (dhat-er-rayyat).

Sayyid Qutb of Egypt in his book, Milestones, published by the International Islamic Federation of Student Organizations, Salimiah, Kuwait in 1978 (pp. 48, 49), has quoted the famous traditionalist, Imam Bukhari, on the institution of marriage in Arabia before Islam as follows:

The Shihab (az-Suhri) said: 'Urwah b. az-Zubayr informed him that Aishah, the wife of the Prophet (God bless and preserve him), informed him that marriage in the Jahiliyah was of four types:

1. One was the marriage of people as it is today, where a man betroths his ward or his daughter to another man, and the latter assigns a dower (bridewealth) to her and then marries her.

2. Another type was where a man said to his wife when she was purified from her menses, ‘Send to N and ask to have intercourse with him;' her husband then stays away from her and does not touch her at all until it is clear that she is pregnant from that (other) man with whom she sought intercourse.

When it is clear that she is pregnant, her husband has intercourse with her if he wants. He acts thus simply from the desire for a noble child. This type of marriage was (known as) nikah al-istibda, the marriage of seeking intercourse.

3. Another type was when a group (raht) of less than ten men used to visit the same woman and all of them had to have intercourse with her. If she became pregnant and bore a child, when some nights had passed after the birth she sent for them, and not a man of them might refuse.

When they had come together in her presence, she would say to them, ‘You (pl.) know the result of your acts; I have borne a child and he is your (sing.) child, N.' – naming whoever she will by his name. Her child is attached to him, and the man may not refuse.

4. The fourth type is when many men frequent a woman, and she does not keep herself from any who comes to her. These women are the baghaya (prostitutes). They used to set up at their doors banners forming a sign. Whoever wanted them went in to them. If one of them conceived and bore a child, they gathered together to her and summoned the physiognomists.

Then they attached her child to the man whom they thought (the father), and the child remained attached to him and was called his son, no objection to this course being possible. When Muhammad (God bless and preserve him) came preaching the truth, he destroyed all the types of marriage of the Jahiliya except that which people practice today.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Mutah was legal during rule of prophet himself. It was forbidden by one of Sunni caliphs

Mutah was prohibited by the Prophet himself. The word means joy or pleasure. It was an existing practise and like consuming alcohol it was gradually phased out.