Iran and Israel, archenemies or potential friends?

[Serpentine]

What is PGCC?
Btw I think Iran Israel rivalry is not permanent. The two permanent rivalries in ME is Iran-Arab and Israel-Arab.

[Persian] Gulf Cooperation Council.

 

[clmeta]

I thought it was only GCC. So that's Iran's counter offensive to the term being used by Arabs (Arabian Gulf) .
Very subtle.

[Persian] Gulf Cooperation Council.

 

[Surenas]

Israel's as well as America's interest is to maintain balance of power in the gulf. They will always undermine whichever party gets stronger.
If Arabs become a potent force in future then Israel and Iran might collaborate behind the curtains. Just as Israel is collaborating with some Gulf countries behind the curtains to check Iran.

Eventually when al the sanctions are gone and Iran's economic get a huge boost Iran would surpass all the other Persian Gulf countries. Our industry, infrastructure and science is quite superior to their ones. If we didn't face al those sanctions and had a better relationship with the west, those Persian Gulf countries wouldn't dare to even speak about those 'three islands'. Eventually we will dominate the Middle East again. I don't doubt that. It's like former CIA-agent Robert Baer said:

''The Arabs lack the spiritual and intellectual depth of Iranians.''

 

[Arian]

I thought it was only GCC. So that's Iran's counter offensive to the term being used by Arabs (Arabian Gulf) .
Very subtle.

It's not that we're countering them, it's that we're correcting them. The Persian Gulf name is officially advised and promoted by the United Nations and is used in all UN recognized documents in all languages except Arabic.

Please don't derail the topic my friend, the topic is about another issue. I ask the same from my Iranian fellows.

 

[clmeta]

You may be right but who knows the future. However if you race ahead, I think Turkey will align itself more firmly with Arabs.
The point is though iran is strong, there are too many Arab countries. And most of them are oil rich.
And they can only unite on two issues. Israel and Iran.

Eventually when al the sanctions are gone and Iran's economic get a huge boost Iran would surpass all the other Persian Gulf countries. Our industry, infrastructure and science is quite superior to their ones. If we didn't face al those sanctions and had a better relationship with the west, those Persian Gulf countries wouldn't dare to even speak about those 'three islands'. Eventually we will dominate the Middle East again. I don't doubt that. It's like former CIA-agent Robert Baer said:

''The Arabs lack the spiritual and intellectual depth of Iranians.''

 

[Surenas]

2) No need to do that. We should have some levers against Israel. They excel at playing dirty games as well. We shouldn't support Hamas, but we should always keep Hizbullah right beside their ears so they know that we'll bear no ill will from them.

We should keep Hezbollah at our side, but in my opinion reduce the support with at least 50/60% of the current budget. Not so necessarily keep supporting them military, but more culturally.

 

[clmeta]

Please don't derail the topic my friend, the topic is about another issue. I ask the same from my Iranian fellows.

Sorry. I didn't mean to derail it. Lets continue.

 

[Surenas]

surena what you are saying is impossible.they should first recognize palestine.

Palestina is a complex situation and I don't think we should interfere with the issue. We have nothing to gain by supporting them.

You may be right but who knows the future. However if you race ahead, I think Turkey will align itself more firmly with Arabs.
The point is though iran is strong, there are too many Arab countries. And most of them are oil rich.
And they can only unite on two issues. Israel and Iran.

Turkey is already aligning themselves with the (sunni) Arabs. Just look at Syria and Iraq. This decade will all be about the struggle between Iran and Turkey, and I believe Israel is our natural ally in this struggle.

 

[clmeta]

Are all Iranians passionate about the Palestine issue? After all Palestinian leadership sided with Saddam in the Iran Iraq war and again with Iraq in the Gulf war. I suspect, in Syrian crisis also, Hamas is in the other camp. Or does the Iranian govt push the Palestinian issue to win support and leadership in ME?

Palestina is a complex situation and I don't think we should interfere with the issue. We have nothing to gain by supporting them.

 

[Surenas]

Are all Iranians passionate about the Palestine issue? After all Palestinian leadership sided with Saddam in the Iran Iraq war and again with Iraq in the Gulf war. I suspect, in Syrian crisis also, Hamas is in the other camp. Or does the Iranian govt push the Palestinian issue to win support and leadership in ME?

No, not all Iranians are so passionate about the Palestine issue. Of course many people want the issue being resolved so the Palestinians could have their own land, but Iranians are more worrying about their incomes than about the Palestinians.

 

[PteX]

Which part is wrong?

Didn't Israel attack the USS Liberty, killing 40+ US navy personnel?
Isn't Israel at the forefront of warmongering on Iran and killing Iranian scientists?
Isn't Israel actively helping Greece with economic projects in Cyprus?
Didn't the Armenian genocide propaganda in Europe and the US gain steam the same time that Israel's relations with Turkey dipped?

You truly believe your own lies, don't you?

1.USS liberty incident has been long resolved, go make a topic about it somewhere else if you'd like.
2.Iran turned on us after the revolution and supports the cowardly terrorists who've murdered thousands of women and children.
3.Again, an Islamic ruler turned on us, thus killing the Turkish-Israeli alliance. Again, for a bunch of Arabs who despise non-Arabs Muslims such as yourself.
4.Armenian genocide happened, no official recognition was given because it would not do any good for the alliance, as most nations do not officially recognize it but they admit it happened. As did many nations recognize the Armenian genocide officially long before the alliance between Turkey and Israel broke.

All these countries long have recognized it, but i doubt logic will work on you.

Argentina (2 laws,[33][34] and 3 Resolutions[35][36][37][38])
Armenia[39]
Belgium[40]
Canada (1996,[41] 2002,[42] 2004[43][44])
Chile[45]
Cyprus[36][46]
Germany[47]
France (2001 Act of Parliament[48][49][50][51][52][53])
Greece[36][43][54]
Italy[36][43]
Lithuania[55]
Lebanon[36][56]
Netherlands – The Second Chamber (House of Representatives) of the States General Assembly asked "the government within the framework of its dialogue with Turkey to continuously and expressly raise the recognition of the Armenian genocide"[57]
Poland[43][58]
Russia (1995,[36][59] 2005[60])
Slovakia[61]
Sweden[36][43][62]
Switzerland[63]
Uruguay (1965,[36][64] 2004[65])
Vatican City[36][66]
Venezuela[67]

 

[Surenas]

You truly believe your own lies, don't you?

What's your stance on this subject?

 

[alighor]

This is a necessity. There are no friends/enemies, only interests, and it's in the interest of Iran to align itself with whomever serves its interests.

The current policies are disastrous and Iran is essentially suffering for its policy regarding Israel.

We don't share any land/sea borders, we have no issues regarding natural resources, nor is there really any point of contact/conflict.

We need to obtain access to technology and capital markets, and to use their lobby in Washington for our favor.

In return, we can cease support for Hamas.

Hizbullah is a different story, and they will always be supported by Iran but in exchange for a non-aggression pact, Israel can have security in its northern border.

 

[IranZamin]

This is a necessity. There are no friends/enemies, only interests, and it's in the interest of Iran to align itself with whomever serves its interests.

The current policies are disastrous and Iran is essentially suffering for its policy regarding Israel.

We don't share any land/sea borders, we have no issues regarding natural resources, nor is there really any point of contact/conflict.

We need to obtain access to technology and capital markets, and to use their lobby in Washington for our favor.

In return, we can cease support for Hamas.

Hizbullah is a different story, and they will always be supported by Iran but in exchange for a non-aggression pact, Israel can have security in its northern border.

excuse me.. but who is ''we'' ? are you a Iranian ?

 

[PteX]

What's your stance on this subject?

I don't think anyone but you cares about what my stance on this subject is.