Iran and India have similar views on Afghanistan

[SamantK]

That view you have is quite sexist.

Can't help sometimes, not for the superficial words but rather the message it conveys

 

[K-Xeroid]

But it is not about sleeping around that you're good at (first wife USA now China).

It is about how well you're able to balance it out between your own fellow Muslim countries.

The bottomline is you can't.

Because you're too dependent one of the three islamic powers in some or the other areas. Whether it is economically on Saudi, intellectually on Turkey or ideologically Iran, your policymakers lack the understanding of whom to follow.

That is all I am highlighting.

Besides, if "sleeping around" as you put it, gets us more friends then we don't mind.

Our policy doesn't stand only on one pillar unlike yours.

Ok , Please eloborate it first, you mentioned that you think that Pakistan policey makers don't know to follow whom? Turkey, Saudia or Iran , and on the sametime you think that Pakistani policey stands just on one piller, Well ! Indians even depends on Israel,and russians in all diplomatic ,strategic terms . Aren't you guys habitual of pointing fingers on other while being exploited on the sametime?

 

[SBD-3]

Why,because we don't want to support Taliban primeval gangs in Afghanistan? fair enough.

To be honest, Iran's global motives are, in fact, driven by its sectarian basis. Iran's support for Shia dominated Northern Alliance, Iran's support for Shia-Hasmite Syrian minority rule and Iran's support for Shia dominated Hizbullah is an open thing. Liberals like Hatimi tried to implement a more open and broader foreign policy but the Mullah Regime of Iran resisted and lead to an isolated Iran.
Even in the recent iranian isolation, Pakistan despite her all weakness was amongst the few countries to promote a soft corner Iran. Our eastern fellows were as mum as their government.
Every country has her interests, Even US stepped in Afghanistan to protect and promote her interest. So they did in Iraq and so are they thinking to do in Iran. Global peace is an excuse, to be honest.

 

[Desert Fox]

To be honest, Iran's global motives are, in fact, driven by its sectarian basis. Iran's support for Shia dominated Northern Alliance, Iran's support for Shia-Hasmite Syrian minority rule and Iran's support for Shia dominated Hizbullah is an open thing. Liberals like Hatimi tried to implement a more open and broader foreign policy but the Mullah Regime of Iran resisted and lead to an isolated Iran.
Even in the recent iranian isolation, Pakistan despite her all weakness was amongst the few countries to promote a soft corner Iran. Our eastern fellows were as mum as their government.
Every country has her interests, Even US stepped in Afghanistan to protect and promote her interest. So they did in Iraq and so are they thinking to do in Iran. Global peace is an excuse, to be honest.

Not really because they supported Azerbaijan's (Shia) enemy Armenia (Christian?).

Other than that, yeah they do have a sectarian motives.

 

[Areesh]

You can think whatever you want bro , but your govt. willingly sent former troops to Bahrain to crush protests. This much is settled . Now Iranians are aware of this and are intelligent enough to take whatever position they want.Let them judge

The bold word says it all. Pakistan didn't sent troops to Bahrain.

 

[KingMamba]

Not really because they supported Azerbaijan's (Shia) enemy Armenia (Christian?).

Other than that, yeah they do have a sectarian motives.

Only because the Azeris are so brainwashed they think they have a right to Iranian land when if they read their history they were always a part of Iran.

 

[Mercenary]

You are an idiot, you just dismiss my source just because I posted it and it goes against what you had previously written. You must have little knowledge of the prestige of West point because they do not post articles unless the information is nearly 100% accurate. Every one knows why the Saudis want Iran to be taken down that is irrelevant, even the Iranians on this forum know the vile hate the Saudis have for them. I never said the Arabs will help Iran, I gave you reasons why they wanted Saddam gone, of course your feeble mind could not comprehend that.

What the hell are you babbling about?

Afghan Taliban and Pakistan Taliban are the same. They may have different ground commanders because they are fighting in different regions.

Its like the German Generals who fought in Russia were different commanders than those who fought the Western Allies but were still a uniform command.

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[Mercenary]

Where did I say all is well in Pakistan and where did I place blame on anyone else. Produce one, just one post where I did any of those things. Unlike you instead I don't b*itch about everything without giving any solutions whatsoever. That is what separates you from VCheng because when he criticizes something he puts substance behind it and a method of correction but you lack the mental capacity to produce anything of substance and all those Indians who thanked this post of yours without actually looking at the sources I produced which back up my claims are firmly in that category as well.

Blame on anyone else? Aren't you a practioner of Taliban being backed by foriegn powers?

You are even stupider than I thought.

 

[KingMamba]

Blame on anyone else? Aren't you a practioner of Taliban being backed by foriegn powers?

You are even stupider than I thought.

No, I am not and have never peddled that foolish notion.

TTP and Afghan Taliban are two different terrorist entities with very different goals and it is taught as such even in West point.

Lmao you are trying to use my age to discredit me?? I have my age displayed in my info it was never some secret which since you revealed disproves anything which I have just written.

Perhaps you should provide proof that I have tried to peddle forth the stupidity which you accuse me of?

 

[Mercenary]

Read:

The Foreign Policy of Pakistan: Ethnic Impacts on Diplomacy 1971-1994 - Mehtab Ali Shah - Google Books


Zia was an interesting man, and master in tactics. By no means a lover of the Arabs nor Iranians. He did whatever was needed to consolidate his position towards Pakistan.

Promise it won't kill you to read.

Mehtab Ali Shah is a Zia-ul-Haq supporter and the Pakistani military support to Iran is just a passing comment and not written in great detail which is not proof that Zia supported Iran.

Here is a much more authorative book on the War and no where it mentions Pakistani support to Iran in the War.
The Gulf War: Its Origins, History And Consequences; After The War: Iraq And The Arab Gulf | Foreign Affairs

Nice Try.

 

[KingMamba]

Pakistan betrayed Iran because in Iran's hour of need we did not help them due to pressure from Arabs where as in hour of need, Iran did came to our aid.

Thats the difference.

But that is too much for your feeble mind to understand.

If you can answer my post 281, I will accept your conclusion.

 

[Mercenary]

No, I am not and have never peddled that foolish notion.

TTP and Afghan Taliban are two different terrorist entities with very different goals and it is taught as such even in West point.

Lmao you are trying to use my age to discredit me?? I have my age displayed in my info it was never some secret which since you revealed disproves anything which I have just written.

Perhaps you should provide proof that I have tried to peddle forth the stupidity which you accuse me of?

TTP and Afghan Taliban are the same. Afghan Taliban want to take over Afghanistan where as Pakistani Taliban want to do the same in Pakistan.

They may have different commanders but they have the same decree, revolutionary zeal, and same world view. Just like German commanders on different sectors of the front fighting for the same Nazi ideal.

They even conducted a joint attack killing 17 Pakistani Soldiers not to long ago.

The proof of your ridicilousness is in the posts that you have posted and for all to see.

But keep living in your fantasies.

 

[KingMamba]

TTP and Afghan Taliban are the same. Afghan Taliban want to take over Afghanistan where as Pakistani Taliban want to do the same in Pakistan.

They may have different commanders but they have the same decree, revolutionary zeal, and same world view. Just like German commanders on different sectors of the front fighting for the same Nazi ideal.

They even conducted a joint attack killing 17 Pakistani Soldiers not to long ago.

The proof of your ridicilousness is in the posts that you have posted and for all to see.

But keep living in your fantasies.

Provide proof of me declaring the TTP a RAW, MOSSAD conspiracy or accept that you are throwing out baseless accusations.

The TTP and Afghan are different, do you remember Colonel Imam. TTP killed him and he was the biggest supporter of the Afghan Taliban despite Mullah Omar asking for his release.

“We always thought that the Afghan Taliban had a sway over these groups, but Col. Imam’s killing shows that no one is in control of anyone there,” he said. “His death was a shock for us.”

Taliban members who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they feared being arrested said Mullah Omar made a personal plea for Imam’s life. Also requesting that Imam’s life be spared was Sirajuddin Haqqani, a key leader of the Haqqani group.

Unity among North Waziristan militant groups crumbles | DAWN.COM

Yo do know that every member of the Afghan Taliban listens to Mullah Omar and would not disobey an order that comes from him right??

 

[Mercenary]

@ Mercenary so Pakistan betrayed Iran because they didn't give them the military equipment that they wanted and it was due to Arab pressure. The fact that they remained neutral does not matter? The fact that if Pakistan did owe anything to Iran it was to the Shah regime not the radical Shiite dictatorship does not matter? If it was such a huge betrayal please provide us with the number of Iranian lives that were lost from this "betrayal". Please provide a source where the Iranian themselves accuse Pakistan for betraying them. Can you do any of this or should we just take your words at face value??

The Baath governments in Arab countries were pro-Soviet and thus more aligned towards India than Pakistan.

And when the new government came to power in Iran, Pakistan was the first country to recognize Iran, a testament to our close relations with Iran.

Our close ties with Iran was not due to Shah, but the long cultural and lineage with the Iranian peoples.

There is no quantifiable metric which can state how many Iranian lives were lost due to Pakistan not providing military equipment to Iran and you know it.

Iran's Radars over it cities were ineffective because they lacked the specialized bulbs for their radars which they asked Pakistan for and we refused to sell it to them. Parts for the F-14 Tomcats, etc.

And Iran's movement towards developing close ties with India, lack of diplomatic travel between Iran and Pakistan, trade deficits, hostility over Baloch Sepratism, violence against Shias, Iran and Taliban almost going to war in 1997.

But why bother with facts.

Provide proof of me declaring the TTP a RAW, MOSSAD conspiracy or accept that you are throwing out baseless accusations.

The TTP and Afghan are different, do you remember Colonel Imam. TTP killed him and he was the biggest supporter of the Afghan Taliban despite Mullah Omar asking for his release.

“We always thought that the Afghan Taliban had a sway over these groups, but Col. Imam’s killing shows that no one is in control of anyone there,” he said. “His death was a shock for us.”

Taliban members who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they feared being arrested said Mullah Omar made a personal plea for Imam’s life. Also requesting that Imam’s life be spared was Sirajuddin Haqqani, a key leader of the Haqqani group.

Unity among North Waziristan militant groups crumbles | DAWN.COM

Yo do know that every member of the Afghan Taliban listens to Mullah Omar and would not disobey an order that comes from him right??

TTP and Afghan Taliban are the same. They may have different commanders who are purusing different strategies in their operational areas but their overarching goal of creating an Extremist Islamic Emirate over Afghanistan and Pakistan remains.

 

[KingMamba]

The Baath governments in Arab countries were pro-Soviet and thus more aligned towards India than Pakistan.

And when the new government came to power in Iran, Pakistan was the first country to recognize Iran, a testament to our close relations with Iran.

Our close ties with Iran was not due to Shah, but the long cultural and lineage with the Iranian peoples.

There is no quantifiable metric which can state how many Iranian lives were lost due to Pakistan not providing military equipment to Iran and you know it.

Iran's Radars over it cities were ineffective because they lacked the specialized bulbs for their radars which they asked Pakistan for and we refused to sell it to them. Parts for the F-14 Tomcats, etc.

And Iran's movement towards developing close ties with India, lack of diplomatic travel between Iran and Pakistan, trade deficits, hostility over Baloch Sepratism, violence against Shias, Iran and Taliban almost going to war in 1997.

But why bother with facts.

Yes, Iran moved towards India because they supported NA and Pakistan supported Pashtun dominated Taliban but it has nothing to do with the Iranians feeling any sort of "betrayal" for Pakistan not lending support during the Iran-Iraq war. Like I said the Iranian officials themselves never peddled this line so you saying it as some sort of fact is foolish and there is not one source anywhere that will say Pakistan had anything to do with the losses suffered by the Iranians. In fact the Iranians themselves prolonged the war when they fought on despite repelling the Iraqi invasion.