Introduction of Chinese car companies

[Kai Liu]

JAC
S7

S3

M6

M4

M3

R3

 

[Kai Liu]

Haima (Subsidiary of FAW)
S5

S7

F7

Family

Family F5

 

[Kai Liu]

Lifan
X80

Myway

Leopard Motors (A subsidiary of GAC)
CS10

CS9

Hanteng (A brand associated with Zotye)
X5

X7

 

[Kai Liu]

Junma (a brand owned by Zotye)
Meet 3

Seek 5

S70

Borgward (Like MG, originated from Europe, now owned by China)
BX5

BX6

BX7

 

[Kai Liu]

Although I have posted 120 Chinese car models here, this is by no means complete.
There are bunch of other smaller companies or independent brands like Karry, Huatai, Bisu, Huansu, Yema, Huanghai, Zhongxing, etc. And tens of EV companies like NIO Weilai, etc.

Again, from this website: http://xl.16888.com/origin-1-1.html you can find The sales figures of any month, year, or time interval, prices, specs, and pictures, etc. of 281 indigenous brand car models.

To summarize, as you can see, there are so many brands and models. The good thing is: competition can always benefit the consumers, as you have more choices, and the car companies have to keep improving their products to win the competition. But the negative side is that a lot of resources and money for R&D and marketing etc. are being wasted. I think there is a process for those companies to evolve and merge to form less than 5 large companies, with >5 million sales volume each, and less than 50 model series in total, in the future. At present, I think with significant sales volumes due to our huge domestic market (30 million, accounting for 1/3 of world's total auto sales), Chinese brand cars are getting better and better both quality and performance wise. Time for them to pay more attention to the international market, as the current volume of export for Chinese brand cars is just around 1 million. The future is bright for them as again, they have our domestic market which helped them achieved 15 million sales and their products are getting mature as a result. We can confidently say that Chinese car companies are only behind the world's top 10 at this moment, and will surpass them within the next 2 decades just like our phone and electronic companies did during the last decade.


For now, I will end this part with the NIO ES8 EV, as EV represents the future direction and Chinese companies are at the leading position right now:

I wonder that MG is also now Chinese cars brand. ? I thought it was a bristish car brand before. Anyway , nice in shape. In Myanmar , GAC already got a big footage and GS8 is quite popular.

MG was sold to SMIC in 2005. Unlike Volvo, MG is considered as domestic brand here now.

 

[ILC]

Thanks for posting
I have a question tho, which Chinese brand has the best quality and who makes the most expensive and premium cars?

 

[Kai Liu]

Thanks for posting
I have a question tho, which Chinese brand has the best quality and who makes the most expensive and premium cars?

In terms of price, Chinese brand cars are trying to climbing to the higher end all the time, and now several brands have reached 30,000 USD level, with significant sells:
Link&co by Geely, Wey by Great Wall, and Qoros by Chery are all premium brands. Some SAIC Roewie/MG, Trumpchi, and BYD hybrid/EVs are also more expensive. But the most expensive car made by Chinese company is this one:
FAW Hongqi L5:

Quality wise, there is report showing Qoros has the best quality among all Chinese brands, but its sales number are not good...

 

[Max Pain]

How do Chinese people choose from so many companies with so many models.
I think its so saturated now.

 

[Kai Liu]

How do Chinese people choose from so many companies with so many models.
I think its so saturated now.

This huge domestic market (30 million) actually is able to feed these brands and companies (a company probably just need to sell like 20,000 cars per year to survive), since people have different tastes and requirements for cars, even for some strangest cars they can find costumers because of the strange tastes of people. But for most people, they just follow others and buy the car sold in largest volume, hence there are top sellers like Great Wall Haval H6 SUV, etc. This actually makes sense since you find maintenance much cheaper and easier, also the product are more mature. But I think there will be merger taking place in the future, and only around 5 strongest companies will survive and become the major players.

 

[seesonic]

The cars are nice to look at, but can they match the reliability of their Japanese counterparts like Toyota and Honda ?

It seems they are just about entering markets outside of China, if they succeed overseas then they can be called a competition to other global brands.

I think TATA has good potential to break into foreign market.

Personal favorite:

I don't know why but nothing China does seems to impress me.
Whether it's their cars or high speed trains or highways , and this after i have been to the developed Chinese cities.
Maybe because China doesn't do anything new but just does it on a larger scale ? Basically it has a large population and so produces more.
Like their HSR . All imported technology , so if you have travelled in French or Japanese trains , Chinese ones just come across as me too.
Or maybe I am just prejudiced against the Chinese.

Actually they do.

Apparently Indians love chinese smartphone, i bet indians find china very impressive.

 

[Kai Liu]

This is the present, here comes the future:
See my thread about Chinese EVs:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/here...-make-you-mind-boggling.566564/#post-10612460

 

[Max Pain]

This huge domestic market (30 million) actually is able to feed these brands and companies (a company probably just need to sell like 20,000 cars per year to survive), since people have different tastes and requirements for cars, even for some strangest cars they can find costumers because of the strange tastes of people. But for most people, they just follow others and buy the car sold in largest volume, hence there are top sellers like Great Wall Haval H6 SUV, etc. This actually makes sense since you find maintenance much cheaper and easier, also the product are more mature. But I think there will be merger taking place in the future, and only around 5 strongest companies will survive and become the major players.

exactly because among those so many companies, most also tend to have same models that look and have the same utility like the ones produced by the top 5 brands.

 

[TaiShang]

In terms of price, Chinese brand cars are trying to climbing to the higher end all the time, and now several brands have reached 30,000 USD level, with significant sells

Cannot agree more. I guess, in terms of command of critical components (as well as software such as Baidu Carplay), China Inc. has achieved maturity and self-sustainability. Now is the time to concentrate on the premium design features and definitely climb 300.000 RMB ladder.

I notice that premium EV (and hybrid) vehicles such as NIO and WEY 8 already offer 300.000+RMB options, but, it should be so for traditional engine models, as well.

Especially with respect to SUVs (as I am an SUV lover myself), now China Inc. may need to concentrate on advanced engines and drive-trains (an SUV without a good AWD-4WD drive is not an SUV at all - why buy an SUV with front drive only? Most people do not. That's why the strong selling point of brands such as Subaru, Mazda, Toyota SUVs is their drive-train system).

In this sense, BYD Tang and WEY 8 are the ones that goes closest to being great but I like to see them in traditional engines. I support environmental protection, but I am still fond of traditional engines.

Besides, China Inc. needs to address every type of buyers. Now, most of new, advanced, expensive models look like a giant screen and computer. That's fine for some. But, I also like to see some premium and traditional-looking (interior, such as, instrument panel, because I hate LCD instrument panels, give me analogue ) interiors.

 

[Kai Liu]

Cannot agree more. I guess, in terms of command of critical components (as well as software such as Baidu Carplay), China Inc. has achieved maturity and self-sustainability. Now is the time to concentrate on the premium design features and definitely climb 300.000 RMB ladder.

I notice that premium EV (and hybrid) vehicles such as NIO and WEY 8 already offer 300.000+RMB options, but, it should be so for traditional engine models, as well.

Especially with respect to SUVs (as I am an SUV lover myself), now China Inc. may need to concentrate on advanced engines and drive-trains (an SUV without a good AWD-4WD drive is not an SUV at all - why buy an SUV with front drive only? Most people do not. That's why the strong selling point of brands such as Subaru, Mazda, Toyota SUVs is their drive-train system).

In this sense, BYD Tang and WEY 8 are the ones that goes closest to being great but I like to see them in traditional engines. I support environmental protection, but I am still fond of traditional engines.

Besides, China Inc. needs to address every type of buyers. Now, most of new, advanced, expensive models look like a giant screen and computer. That's fine for some. But, I also like to see some premium and traditional-looking (interior, such as, instrument panel, because I hate LCD instrument panels, give me analogue ) interiors.

Totally agree. Now we have all kind of engines (from 3 cylinder tiny ones to >400HP V12 engines, and transmission from MT, 8AT, CVT, DCT, all kinds of self developed gear boxes.) This is the reason that our car can be made so affordable nowadays. And yes, power train is very important for SUV, and I think those companies are focusing on it now.
For LCD screen, I think the designers should not abuse of using it, especially if you want to go higher end, one such screen could actually ruin the design...

 

[TaiShang]

For LCD screen, I think the designers should not abuse of using it, especially if you want to go higher end, one such screen could actually ruin the design...

Exactly. Now, I have seen some designers, and not just from China but even those from European premium model, model interior dashboards that feature an LCD screen from one end to the other. As you say, that's an abuse. I guess most people are with me on this (perhaps not millenials, but as near as the 1990s generation) -- that a car should look like a car. At least, market still prefers that.

Unfortunately, I still do not see much. BYD's latest dragon face SUV does great in exterior design, but the interior (although very advanced in terms of technology and material quality) definitely needs more elegant touch, functionality, and traditional car feeling.

For LCD screen, I think the designers should not abuse of using it, especially if you want to go higher end, one such screen could actually ruin the design...

Exactly. Now, I have seen some designers, and not just from China but even those from European premium model, model interior dashboards that feature an LCD screen from one end to the other. As you say, that's an abuse. I guess most people are with me on this (perhaps not millenials, but as near as the 1990s generation) -- that a car should look like a car. At least, market still prefers that.

Unfortunately, I still do not see much. BYD's latest dragon face SUV does great in exterior design, but the interior (although very advanced in terms of technology and material quality) definitely needs more elegant touch, functionality, and traditional car feeling.

For LCD screen, I think the designers should not abuse of using it, especially if you want to go higher end, one such screen could actually ruin the design...

Exactly. Now, I have seen some designers, and not just from China but even those from European premium model, model interior dashboards that feature an LCD screen from one end to the other. As you say, that's an abuse. I guess most people are with me on this (perhaps not millenials, but as near as the 1990s generation) -- that a car should look like a car. At least, market still prefers that.

Unfortunately, I still do not see much. BYD's latest dragon face SUV does great in exterior design, but the interior (although very advanced in terms of technology and material quality) definitely needs more elegant touch, functionality, and traditional car feeling.