Into the Arms of the Rising Sun: Japan Beating China in Race for Indian Ocean Deep-Sea Port

[VelocuR]

China will sell double or triple more military stuffs to Pakistan or manufacture anything if losing to Bangladesh or any customers in any race.

Try again?

 

[Levina]

This is a refreshing change!
Japan and India seem to be playing the catch-up game with China, for almost a decade these 2 giants (not really in size) were hibernating. India's look east policy and Japan's south-asian policy are nothing but ways to curb Chinese influence in Asia.
Ports in south-asia 're vital for Japan because almost 80% of Japan’s oil and about 70% of its shipping transits this region.

Ports remind reminds me of Vallarpadam project, which lying idle despite the fact that when completely functional this port would have reduced freight cost as well as the transit time for Indian shippers by as much as 40 per cent.

Vallarpadam International Container Terminal: Lying idle | Business Line
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[xunzi]

Why do they must make everything into a zero sum, vs China? LOL Relax, stop being so insecure. Business is business. If we see no profit, we are not going to invest.

 

[UKBengali]

BD has a very good friend in Japan.

We are friends with both China and Japan and are grateful to the assistance that both countries have provided us since independence.

It is nice to see both China and Japan getting heavily involved in the development of the rest of Asia.

@Nihonjin1051 ; @Chinese-Dragon

 

[mike2000 is back]

Why do they must make everything into a zero sum, vs China? LOL Relax, stop being so insecure. Business is business. If we see no profit, we are not going to invest.

On this one i agree with you. Normally this shouldn't be a zero sum game, I don't see why they make this a competition game. However, you have to understand that south Asia is not East Asia where business tends to be separated from politics. South Asian countries are very paranoid, beginning with India (towards anything China) and Pakistan( towards anything Indian) . So when China invest /gets involve in any projects whatsoever in south Asia, India will always see it as a threat to itself because China is far bigger /more powerful than India and they have fought a war while still having a border dispute, same with Pakistan when India does anything /invests in the region Pakistan sees it as a threat to itself due to similar reasons.

In short the smaller/weaker power is always more paranoid about it's much bigger/powerful rival . One exception to this is the China -Japan business relationship as I have hardly ever seen any of them being paranoid about the other investing in their countries /region. Maybe it's because they are kind of roughly equal in power /weight and though Japan is still more advanced overall, the gap isn't that massive /huge. So maybe that's why they are more pragmatic /less paranoid about each other business wise.

Anyway, this competition is good for south Asia, as long as it can help the region develop, since this region is still to my surprise the poorest and most backward in the world (yes worse than even most African countries i have been to). So as I have always said they ought to wake up and stop this their paranoia, else this region would never change. There can be no pride(power protection) in abject poverty.

BD has a very good friend in Japan.

We are friends with both China and Japan and are grateful to the assistance that both countries have provided us since independence.

It is nice to see both China and Japan getting heavily involved in the development of the rest of Asia.

@Nihonjin1051 ; @Chinese-Dragon

Yes, Japan and China being the 2 biggest powers in Asia by far, ought to take the lead /cooperate in helping shape /develop the continent and lead Asia.


Huh....OK I know that's wishful thinking. LMAO.

 

[UKBengali]

Anyway, this competition is good for south Asia, as long as it can help the region develop, since this region is still to my surprise the poorest and most backward in the world (yes worse than even most African countries i have been to). So as I have always said they ought to wake up and stop this their paranoia, else this region would never change. There can be no pride(power protection) in abject poverty.

Why should it be a surprise that South Asia is so backwards even to this day?

Massive population compared to resources and multi-ethnic states that should not really exist any-more in this day and age make for the mess that South Asia is in now.

Good thing is that South Asia is predicted to grow at 7-8% for the next 2-3 decades. No offence to Africans but South Asians will achieve way, way higher over the next 2-3 decades than them.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Why should it be a surprise that South Asia is so backwards Fn to this day?

Massive population compared to resources and multi-ethnic states that should not really exist any-more in this day and age make for the mess that South Asia is in now.

Good thing is that South Asia is predicted to grow at 7-8% for the next 2-3 decades. No offence to Africans but South Asians will achieve way, way higher over the next 2-3 decades than them.

Well agree, as for the last part, we will have to wait and see, since many African countries are growing Faster than south Asian countries (Among the top 10 highest GDP growth in the world six are from Africa. Lol). And mind you there are many African countries whose living standards /GDP per capital is way higher than south Asian countries(people always make the mistake of grouping all Africa's 54 countries into 1). The ones I was comparing with S. Asia are the poorest African countries.

 

[Aepsilons]

Sonadia deep sea port will materialize some day. That is where BD future. Which has strategical depth. GoB didnt throw that away. Where Japan will work in Matarbari sea port. GoB has now planned to extend Matarbari sea port to Sonadia. Either Japan or China will complete that. China may start work on Payra sea port. Consultants from UK worked in that. China also working to upgrade Chittagong port. Companies from Nederland, China, India, UAE showed interest in Sonadia deep sea port earlier.

I have a very strong inkling that with the completion of Matarbari Sea Port, the completion of Sonadia Deep Sea Port will be completed also by the Japanese side. I think we have expressed interest in this multiple times.

China and Japan together can change the face of S. Asia. These development projects positively effect the lives of millions of people and at the same time is good business due to very high financial returns.

Win-Win situation I say.

Indeed! And Yes! The vast practically untapped markets of South Asia is immense--- a region , if we are to combine the populations of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan , nearing 1.6 Billion in population. Its just mind boggling to comprehend such a gargantuan number ! This region, South Asia, has not even seen a quarter of its potential and its already vast. For example India's solar power market is already the third largest in the world, despite India still a developing country. Can you imagine when India, Pakistan and Bangladesh --- three of the most populous nations in the South Asian region --- reaches towards mid-development status? Such realities bring with it a wealth of opportunities for those who PROACTIVELY invest in that region NOW.

I have said this before, and I say it again, the future drivers of growth in Asia will be South Asia.

China will sell double or triple more military stuffs to Pakistan or manufacture anything if losing to Bangladesh or any customers in any race.

Try again?

And I think Japan should now reform its investment policy and increase our entente with Pakistan. To start, we should start increasing development of Sindh region. In fact, I think that is exactly what is cooking in the works. Remember that Japan has recently promised to invest $110 Billion in Asia. Pakistan will be a recipient of this as well.


Japan unveils $110 billion plan to fund Asia infrastructure, eye on AIIB| Reuters

Well agree, as for the last part, we will have to wait and see, since many African countries are growing Faster than south Asian countries (Among the top 10 highest GDP growth in the world six are from Africa. Lol). And mind you there are many African countries whose living standards /GDP per capital is way higher than south Asian countries(people always make the mistake of grouping all Africa's 54 countries into 1). The ones I was comparing with S. Asia are the poorest African countries.

There are potentials in both South Asian Region as well as the vast African Continent, definitely. However, in my opinion, South Asia will become a developed market much faster than say the entire African Continent. There are certain challenges poised in handling Africa that even our Chinese colleagues, who have commensurated an economic presence in Africa, agree to this. I'm talking about the issues of ethnic , tribal lines, religious differences, work ethic issues, and market instability, extremism, health issues (such as Ebola and rampancy of HIV AIDS) that affects long term plans in feasibility studies. These factors cannot be ignored in the comprehensive analysis --- !

Hence, long term wise, South Asia will leap over not just Africa, but South America and who knows, possibly even Southeast Asia as well.

 

[mike2000 is back]

I have a very strong inkling that with the completion of Matarbari Sea Port, the completion of Sonadia Deep Sea Port will be completed also by the Japanese side. I think we have expressed interest in this multiple times.



Indeed! And Yes! The vast practically untapped markets of South Asia is immense--- a region , if we are to combine the populations of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan , nearing 1.6 Billion in population. Its just mind boggling to comprehend such a gargantuan number ! This region, South Asia, has not even seen a quarter of its potential and its already vast. For example India's solar power market is already the third largest in the world, despite India still a developing country. Can you imagine when India, Pakistan and Bangladesh --- three of the most populous nations in the South Asian region --- reaches towards mid-development status? Such realities bring with it a wealth of opportunities for those who PROACTIVELY invest in that region NOW.

I have said this before, and I say it again, the future drivers of growth in Asia will be South Asia.




And I think Japan should now reform its investment policy and increase our entente with Pakistan. To start, we should start increasing development of Sindh region. In fact, I think that is exactly what is cooking in the works. Remember that Japan has recently promised to invest $110 Billion in Asia. Pakistan will be a recipient of this as well.


Japan unveils $110 billion plan to fund Asia infrastructure, eye on AIIB| Reuters



There are potentials in both South Asian Region as well as the vast African Continent, definitely. However, in my opinion, South Asia will become a developed market much faster than say the entire African Continent. There are certain challenges poised in handling Africa that even our Chinese colleagues, who have commensurated an economic presence in Africa, agree to this. I'm talking about the issues of ethnic , tribal lines, religious differences, work ethic issues, and market instability, extremism, health issues (such as Ebola and rampancy of HIV AIDS) that affects long term plans in feasibility studies. These factors cannot be ignored in the comprehensive analysis --- !

Hence, long term wise, South Asia will leap over not just Africa, but South America and who knows, possibly even Southeast Asia as well.

Agree with your post, except the last part.

 

[Echo_419]

Why should it be a surprise that South Asia is so backwards even to this day?

Massive population compared to resources and multi-ethnic states that should not really exist any-more in this day and age make for the mess that South Asia is in now.

Good thing is that South Asia is predicted to grow at 7-8% for the next 2-3 decades. No offence to Africans but South Asians will achieve way, way higher over the next 2-3 decades than them.

What kind of BS are you speaking multi ethnic states like India are outperforming your ethnic state BD on several fronts so you should refrain from making comments which you can't back up

This is a refreshing change!
Japan and India seem to be playing the catch-up game with China, for almost a decade these 2 giants (not really in size) were hibernating. India's look east policy and Japan's south-asian policy are nothing but ways to curb Chinese influence in Asia.
Ports in south-asia 're vital for Japan because almost 80% of Japan’s oil and about 70% of its shipping transits this region.

Ports remind reminds me of Vallarpadam project, which lying idle despite the fact that when completely functional this port would have reduced freight cost as well as the transit time for Indian shippers by as much as 40 per cent.

Vallarpadam International Container Terminal: Lying idle | Business Line
[HASHTAG]#FrustratedIndian[/HASHTAG] [HASHTAG]#IndianPorts[/HASHTAG] [HASHTAG]#Namo[/HASHTAG] [HASHTAG]#VallarpadamPort[/HASHTAG]

Why is this port lying idle

 

[Aepsilons]

Agree with your post, except the last part.

I understand your apprehension. There are definitely some areas that need development in South Asia as a whole. Be that as it may, South Asian Region is improving. In fact, Sri Lanka is a great case study for political scientists and developmental economists to study --- this is a country that was plagued with civil war for the past 10-15 years (fighting between the Tamil Tigers and Sri Lanka Government), yet literally after some 8 years of conclusion to the war, the nation has rehabilitated itself. Here is a country, Sri Lanka, that now has a GDP of over $80 Billion, with a per capita of $3,800 -- which is higher than that of Myanmar's, higher than Laos, higher than Cambodia, higher than the Philippines, higher than Indonesia's, higher than Timor Leste, higher than Vietnam's.

The relative success of Sri Lanka in such a short time frame and through effective liberalised economic policy can result in such success immediately after just fighting a civil war? Can you imagine?

This is why my confidence in South Asia's development is unmovable. It is based on empirical, proven, time tested data. Sri Lanka is proof of that. So is Nepal. And given the positive growth seen in Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, and with liberalization trade policies --- our confidence is not mis placed.

 

[Echo_419]

On this one i agree with you. Normally this shouldn't be a zero sum game, I don't see why they make this a competition game. However, you have to understand that south Asia is not East Asia where business tends to be separated from politics. South Asian countries are very paranoid, beginning with India (towards anything China) and Pakistan( towards anything Indian) . So when China invest /gets involve in any projects whatsoever in south Asia, India will always see it as a threat to itself because China is far bigger /more powerful than India and they have fought a war while still having a border dispute, same with Pakistan when India does anything /invests in the region Pakistan sees it as a threat to itself due to similar reasons.

In short the smaller/weaker power is always more paranoid about it's much bigger/powerful rival . One exception to this is the China -Japan business relationship as I have hardly ever seen any of them being paranoid about the other investing in their countries /region. Maybe it's because they are kind of roughly equal in power /weight and though Japan is still more advanced overall, the gap isn't that massive /huge. So maybe that's why they are more pragmatic /less paranoid about each other business wise.

Anyway, this competition is good for south Asia, as long as it can help the region develop, since this region is still to my surprise the poorest and most backward in the world (yes worse than even most African countries i have been to). So as I have always said they ought to wake up and stop this their paranoia, else this region would never change. There can be no pride(power protection) in abject poverty.



Yes, Japan and China being the 2 biggest powers in Asia by far, ought to take the lead /cooperate in helping shape /develop the continent and lead Asia.


Huh....OK I know that's wishful thinking. LMAO.

Filly agreed

I understand your apprehension. There are definitely some areas that need development in South Asia as a whole. Be that as it may, South Asian Region is improving. In fact, Sri Lanka is a great case study for political scientists and developmental economists to study --- this is a country that was plagued with civil war for the past 10-15 years (fighting between the Tamil Tigers and Sri Lanka Government), yet literally after some 8 years of conclusion to the war, the nation has rehabilitated itself. Here is a country, Sri Lanka, that now has a GDP of over $80 Billion, with a per capita of $3,800 -- which is higher than that of Myanmar's, higher than Laos, higher than Cambodia, higher than the Philippines, higher than Indonesia's, higher than Timor Leste, higher than Vietnam's.

The relative success of Sri Lanka in such a short time frame and through effective liberalised economic policy can result in such success immediately after just fighting a civil war? Can you imagine?

This is why my confidence in South Asia's development is unmovable. It is based on empirical, proven, time tested data. Sri Lanka is proof of that. So is Nepal. And given the positive growth seen in Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, and with liberalization trade policies --- our confidence is not mis placed.

I assure you your trust in us is not misplaced

 

[Levina]

Why is this port lying idle

Politics!
They say this port would harm Singapore and Dubai's ports.

 

[SrNair]

Japanese presence in Indian Ocean Region would be very helpful for stabilization of power .Entire Asia can develop with that.

 

[Echo_419]

Politics!
They say this port would harm Singapore and Dubai's ports.

Surely this can't be the reason