International Media account on PAF’s role in 1965 war

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

you have US flags but are talking about pakistan and its pilots are you a false flagger ?

@WebMaster @Manticore @Irfan Baloch @waz is it OK with the rules against false flagging Sir ?

thing is i dont care what others say or dream when they thinking of so called "accomplishments"

Palestinian origin living in the USA

 

[Falcon26]

the last thing in the world you want sir is to argue with dotheads.
These arrogant people will bring the debate to their level and beat you with their experience.

you have US flags but are talking about pakistan and its pilots are you a false flagger ?

@WebMaster @Manticore @Irfan Baloch @waz is it OK with the rules against false flagging Sir ?

thing is i dont care what others say or dream when they thinking of so called "accomplishments"

LOL! Having a US flag is a crime now? Frankly where I am from and what I post is none of your business. If you don't like what I post, you can go somewhere else rather than trying to create flame wars.

 

[danger007]

the last thing in the world you want sir is to argue with dotheads.
These arrogant people will bring the debate to their level and beat you with their experience.

https://defence.pk/threads/indian-a...oldiers-the-most-feared-on-the-planet.434925/


look how the thread been hijacked by pinheads... as if you are any different...

 

[Windjammer]

Ok let's forget about General Yeagar for a minute, here's what Moscow had to say about the PAF.

Airforces Monthly
Article in the May 1993 issue (pages 46-47 by Sergey Vekhov)

An article in the May 1993 issue (pages 46-47) of Airforces Monthly, a reputable UK-based air defence magazine, written by a Russian aviation writer, Sergey Vekhov, for the first time in public, provided a first-hand account about the PAF's pilots:

"As an air defence analyst, I am fully aware that the Pakistan Air Force ranks today as one of the best air forces in the world and that the PAF Combat Commanders' School (CCS) in Sargodha has been ranked as the best GCI/pilot and fighter tactics and weapons school in the world". As one senior US defence analyst commented to me in 1997, "it leaves Topgun (the US Naval Air Station in Miramar, California) far behind".


And a few others.

Jane's International Defense (June 24, 1998)
The PAF, although outnumbered by IAF, has at least one qualitative edge over its rival: Pilot Training. The caliber of Pakistani instructors is acknowledged by numerous air forces, and US Navy pilots considered them to be highly 'professionals' during exercises flying off the USS Constellation (as co-pilots). The IAF is in an unfortunate position: it lacks an advanced training and multi-role combat aircraft.



Fiza'ya: Psyche Of The Pakistan Air Force.
"This is the first definitive account of a relatively small but fascinating air arm, the Pakistan Air Force. Hitherto either casually studied or written up in propaganda fashion, the PAF has needed a detailed analysis of how a developing country with limited resources can nonetheless produce a first class air force.
The Pakistan Fiza'ya (Pakistan Air Force) plays a role in the psyche of its nation unmatched by any air force in the world except that by the Israeli Air Force. The PAF's motto, loosely translated from the Persian, is 'Lord of All I Survey'. It calls itself "The Pride of the Nation', and it is exactly that. Much smaller than India in geographical size and population, Pakistan sees itself as a beleaguered state between India to the East and the Soviet Union/Afghanistan to the West. Since it can never match numbers with India, much in the same way as Israel cannot match numbers with the Arabs, it has always emphasized quality, and projected itself as the Gallant Few against the eastern hordes of many. The mystique of the air warrior, the last jousting knight, the only surviving gladiator

on the field of modem war, has been effectively utilized by Pakistan as its symbol of defiance against vastly larger enemies. The PAF gets the best and the brightest of the country's young men, and it is given clear preference in the matter of equipment. In 1981, for example, Pakistan paid $1.2 billion for 40 F-16s. By comparison, the entire first five year (1982-87) FMS package from the United States totalled $1.6 billion, of which $0.5 billion was used to cover the shortfalls in the F-16 funding. In other words, virtually half of all military equipment purchased from the US during this period went on one single purchase of fighter aircraft for the PAF.

Had the US been willing to supply an Airborne Warning and Control System to Pakistan in the second package (1987-92), along with additional F-16s again the PAF would have gotten half or more of the total sum. Because the nation spends so much of its precious resources on the PAF, it expects a great dealinreturn. In 1965 the PAF delivered; in 1971,overtaken by circumstances outside of its control, it did not. This took much of the glint, glamour and shine off the PAF. But in the next eighteen years, 1972-90, by dint of solid hard work the PAF did much to restore its prestige."

(Pushpinder Singh, Ravi Rikhye, Peter Steinemann. Book: Fiza'ya: Psyche of the Pakistan Air Force.)

 

[Zain Malik]

What happened if a US jet...

Any plans to bring the Friends not masters drones down which are intruding into Pak airspace on daily bases ??

Given them a last warning any further drone within the boundaries of pakistan will brought to ground...!!

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Not sure if this has been posted before, but great to see legendary USAF pilot Chuck Yeager rate Pakistani pilots as the best he's ever flown with based on their trainings and experience.


What would you say is one quality all great pilots possess?

Experience. I’ll tell you this: I flew with the Pakistan Air Force for three years, during the war with India, and I’d say the Pakistani pilots are the best I’ve ever flown with in my life. And it’s because they’ve got a lot of experience. That’s what makes a good pilot. The pilot with the most experience is the best. And if he’s gotten that experience in wars, he obviously has to be damn good, or else he’d be dead.

http://www.huntingtonquarterly.com/articles/issue77/chuck_yeager.php

posting such articles will attract some trolling and flaming. if you want to keep the thread clean then never respond to trolls .
thread has been cleaned but will be locked or deleted if the trolling and flaming continues

 

[Windjammer]

Let alone making a single pass in a single engine fighter, it takes a lot of confidence to perform in one right above your capital.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=975913575859788

 

[litman]

i doesn not matter to us but surely to you as you only have those past glories to talk about

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you don't have even past glories. such a pity. BTW how does it really feel getting beaten up by a much smaller force? your AF must have experienced this feeling many times in past.

 

[Jf Thunder]

think of it this way of all the so called "PAF past glories" they lost every war with india they started to get kashmir but still kashmir is with india

and as for there glories what stopped them from saving there 1st armoured divission getting massacerred in battle of asal uttar(1965) and where there tanks kept waiting for air support which never came and pakistan had to go to tashkent/USSR even when they started war with USA supplied sabre jets

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Asal_Uttar


and battle of longewala where simmilar things happenned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Longewala

Tank tracks at Longewala. Photographic reconnaissance image taken at the time showing the desperate last minute manoeuvres by Pakistani tanks in the Longewala sector. Circles show destroyed Pakistani tanks

so much for past glories

OMG, stupidity at its peak, we are talking about Air Battles, not ground battles
you seem to take a long time grasping the purpose of a thread

 

[Local_Legend]

There are two Threads on the same subject as I can see it in " Similar Threads " section. No body else is seeing it ?

@ MODS

 

[Falcon26]

There are two Threads on the same subject as I can see it in " Similar Threads " section. No body else is seeing it ?

@ MODS

From what I can tell, the content is different. The other similar threads deals with tweets by Chuck Yeager and his autobiography. This thread deals with an interview he gave.if this thread has been previously posted, then moderators can delete it.

 

[Jf Thunder]

look at it this way air force is there to support ground offensive and shield the ground forces from enemy counter attack

well sir read the history of mordern war fare ever since WW2 only that army won the final battle of that WAR which got close air support from its air crafts when in an offensive against the enemy

starting from the spectacular results when german blitzkrieg won all europe in matters of weeks deu to ariel support but the same german war machine kept loosing ever since D Day as there air support was no where to be seen

same happened to you in 1965 and then 1971 and same also happened when USA pulwarized iraq army in gulf wars... get the point

as for the pupose of the thread i was answering to some other poster not you sir

our Air Force was not large enough, nor did it have enough bases to support each and every ground offensive, but wherever it did appear, im sorry to say it obliterated the IAF .

 

[illusion8]

I find it incredibly fascinating that Indians vehemently reject observations of western journalists that reported about the indo-Pakistani wars and almost universally dismiss these journalists from Canada, the US, Australia and the U.K. as unreliable yet when it comes to the views of this particular source, Indians run around the World Wide Web as the gospel truth. As I said, it's all butt-hurt reactions. Take your none sense to Bollywood.

"best I’ve ever flown with in my life" is a relative term, his conjecture depends on who else he has flown with before making that assumption.

 

[shah1398]

Best Pilots lot dont need recognition, they just make other praise them based on their actions, not fantasies. Dont know why some Indian members are objecting to what Chuck Yeager or anyone said regarding PAF as its their personal views based on their own interactions with PAF. Why to even object or ridicule them? Does it make any difference at all?

 

[Super Falcon]

I agree but it was until 60s to 99s they might be best because they had best jet of their era and their training

But Ballance between pilot and jet is getting bigger we have good pilots no doubt but they don't have potent capable jet to overdone he perfect balance between man and machine

Alonr pilot is nothing and alone jet is nothing if you combine best pilot with best available jet you get deadly combination

does that all you just said makes any sense had our Air force been "obliterated" how come we were able to give support to our ground forces which led ayub khan and ZAB to run to tashkent

any way the job of an airforce is to secure the win for the ground offensive it is unable to get the job done it failed simple as that ... Got It

Don't forget you ran to uno for help your ran to Clinton in kargil do u forget it


And if that Obama invited ur pm u jump alot

But from same countryman guy says good for Pak ur *** burns