Interceptor missile mission a ‘failure’

[dadeechi]

What is your opinion about the Scandinavian countries. They have mastered secularism, no?

Secularism is only possible when the

1) Religions of the people of the state are secular in nature

or

2) People are atheists


Many people misinterpret the lack of any friction to the practice of secularism.

It may have just been a case where they was never an opportunity to test their credentials to start with.

I would like to praise a teen for practicing celibacy rather that an old beyond the prime age. The former is a virtue while the later is a compulsion.

 

[dadeechi]

For the simple reason that independence and opposition to prevailing ideology is itself an ideology.
Any who have problems with this need to understand Russell's Paradox, instead of coming up with stunning summations that speak to us of our failure to educate our youth.

That is analogous to saying that atheists believe in a religion with no god.

The key point is not if one is religious or not but if one is an extremist or not.

One could be religious, tolerant and open-minded while the other could be an atheist, extremist and biased.

Science says that White color is made up of all colors while Black has no color.

There is no problem with either white or black or any other color.

The problem arises when a shade of yellow (journalism) claims to be white (independent &/or all inclusive) or when a dark shade of Red (Communists) or Green (Pseudo Seculars) claims to be Black (Atheists & Secular).

That is the point of view of an impure secularist, who doesn't try.

How can a person be secular?

One can either be religious or an atheist.

Only States or organizations can practice secularism while people could either be extremists or open-minded.

 

[Joe Shearer]

That is analogous to saying that atheists believe in a religion with no god.

The key point is not if one is religious or not but if one is an extremist or not.

One could be religious, tolerant and open-minded while the other could be an atheist, extremist and biased.

Science says that White color is made up of all colors while Black has no color.

There is no problem with either white or black or any other color.

The problem arises when a shade of yellow (journalism) claims to be white (independent &/or all inclusive) or when a dark shade of Red (Communists) or Green (Pseudo Seculars) claims to be Black (Atheists & Secular).

The problem arises when we look at a white object with jaundiced vision.


How can a person be secular?

One can either be religious or an atheist.

Only States or organizations can practice secularism while people could either be extremists or open-minded.

Quite simple, really. One can as religious as the Pope (not this one, one of his immediate two predecessors), and yet be secular, by not letting it show up in public behaviour and publicly expressed attitudes. Such a one can be secular by treating all persons alike, by showing no favour to one set over the others, by deciding on merit.

Private behaviour is distinct from public behaviour.

Our civilisational failure, in south Asia, is the inability to separate private and public lives, and private and public value systems. We go into work carrying the same package of restrictions and taboos that we maintain at home, and that is where the trouble starts.

In the LONG run ; secularism will end

The sheer demographic pressures will cause it

Nothing lasts for ever
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Secondly what is the Guarentee that the HINDU newspaper has NOT
gone beyond its Anti Modi policy and is Tarnishing DRDO with a ulterior motive

All media Houses are now a days ALIGNED to a political ideology

Nobody is Pure and perfect

....quoth the Pure and perfect (sic: not Perfect) critic of the impure and imperfect institution.

The funeral for Irony will take place next Saturday at the nearest Santoshi Maa temple west of the Radcliffe Line.

 

[New Resolve]

Another win for DODO.

 

[dadeechi]

The problem arises when we look at a white object with jaundiced vision.

True. A mortal like me with jaundiced vision could never understand why a secular government should be in the Business of running an endowments ministry for Hindus while excluding Muslims and Christians.

Quite simple, really. One can as religious as the Pope (not this one, one of his immediate two predecessors), and yet be secular, by not letting it show up in public behaviour and publicly expressed attitudes. Such a one can be secular by treating all persons alike, by showing no favour to one set over the others, by deciding on merit.

Who cares about niceties and their public posture. I am interested in fairness.

Did any of the Popes recognize a non-Christian as a saint? That would reflect on their fairness in selection.

Our civilisational failure, in south Asia, is the inability to separate private and public lives, and private and public value systems. We go into work carrying the same package of restrictions and taboos that we maintain at home, and that is where the trouble starts.

The key point is not if one has separate private and public lives & values but if one is carrying his/her duties objectively with no fear or favor.

 

[Joe Shearer]

True. A mortal like me with jaundiced vision could never understand why a secular government should be in the Business of running an endowments ministry for Hindus while excluding Muslims and Christians.

That is a problem with a government NOT being secular. Defining that as secular and then objecting to it is known as the Straw Man tactic: build a straw man, knock it down and claim a famous victory.

Incidentally, your point is not even correct. Not surprising, since there are people who only have hammers, who go through the world thinking that every problem is a nail. Going through life with a sense of grievance thinking that Hindus are short-changed in 'their own' land leads to this kind of shallow, selective knowledge and no understanding of the ground realities. There is probably more money and more assets under government administration for the Muslim community than for any other. But naturally looking for outlets for your grievances, you would not be aware of this.

Who cares about niceties and their public posture. I am interested in fairness.

LOL. It isn't about niceties and public postures. It is precisely about fairness.

Did any of the Popes recognize a non-Christian as a saint? That would reflect on their fairness in selection.

If you remember, religion stays out of the public sphere. Recognising a non-Christian as a saint is outside the public sphere, it is within the Christian parochial sphere. Just as recognising a Shaheed is in one sense within the Muslim parochial sphere.

Recognising someone as worthy of praise and public recognition, what you seem to be referring to with the absurd proposition of a non-Christian saint, is like nominating and electing a Nobel Prize winner; that is done by Christians, Muslims, Hindus, everyone, without a tincture of religion coming in.

Talking of the niceties and public postures, it would be nice, on the personal, religious front, far from discussions of secularism, if the Jagannath Temple admitted Hindus, irrespective of their ethnic origin.


The key point is not if one has separate private and public lives & values but if one is carrying his/her duties objectively with no fear or favor.

Precisely. And it therefore requires a separation of private and public life, so that a religious person can carry out his or her duties without fear or favour.

Other answers interleaved with your statements.

 

[dadeechi]

That is a problem with a government NOT being secular. Defining that as secular and then objecting to it is known as the Straw Man tactic: build a straw man, knock it down and claim a famous victory.

It is not me defining it. It is the government of India which inserted the word secular into the constitution. Having done that I expect the government to adhere to the constitution. Either they should get rid of the word secular from the constitution or adhere to the word in both letter & spirit. It is the dubious act of adding something to the constitution and then making a mockery of it, which is the reflection of the sad state of affairs.

If you remember, religion stays out of the public sphere. Recognising a non-Christian as a saint is outside the public sphere, it is within the Christian parochial sphere. Just as recognising a Shaheed is in one sense within the Muslim parochial sphere.

Recognising someone as worthy of praise and public recognition, what you seem to be referring to with the absurd proposition of a non-Christian saint, is like nominating and electing a Nobel Prize winner; that is done by Christians, Muslims, Hindus, everyone, without a tincture of religion coming in.

Talking of the niceties and public postures, it would be nice, on the personal, religious front, far from discussions of secularism, if the Jagannath Temple admitted Hindus, irrespective of their ethnic origin.

Hence proves my point that Popes can never be objective. They are always biased towards their religion. I do not see anything wrong with it though and is on expected lines.

Precisely. And it therefore requires a separation of private and public life, so that a religious person can carry out his or her duties without fear or favour.

Other answers interleaved with your statements.

Disagree. Why should one have separate private & public lives? Why should a Muslim be prevented from eating beef because rest of the members of the team are of Hindu faith? As along as the person is able to carry the duties objectively with no fear or favor, how does ones private values matter?

 

[Counterpunch]

I would trust Hindu than DRDO any day.. infact even Times of India is more credible than DRDO


its about hiding failure... there was no need.

If I have to lie to preserve national morale I would do it anytime. And not all details are worth sharing with the general masses. Those who matter would definitely know that the test has actually failed

 

[cerberus]

If I have to lie to preserve national morale I would do it anytime. And not all details are worth sharing with the general masses. Those who matter would definitely know that the test has actually failed

What is it has to do with national morale

Abm technology is not child play even those few nations who acheived it still not fully sure About its effectiveness

Now questions is why DRDO hide its faliure
Its not first time that india BMD system tested
It was tested 13 times including 15 th may test out which 9+1 are successful 3 unsuccessful

Each time drdo put all the facts into public domain with post test analysis including 15th may test which reported in every major newspapers with details of the test

So i don't know what author of this article stated though its understandable because defence journalism is not seasonal profession in india

Like others he used wrong facts to make his neWS look lIke e credible
Much like using 120 km altitude arguments which is false as indian BMD systems are not designed to intercept target over 100 km altitude.

So i find drdo more credible than Any private news agency as they are bound by accoutibility and transparency if the test was failure the CAG will come out with its report sooner or later.

 

[911]

That guy delivers poison with the mix of sugar under the barrier of being moraly right and is utterly biased not since 2014 but way before that. He has all sympathy towards Congress and has full trust that they will be back in center soon so he can get his cut . He admires Rahul Gandhi and his blood boils very often. For him, anyone old aged, middle aged, teenager follows or votes for BJP is a moron, bigot and communal. There are positives about him as well, like he sees history as it is (i.e. foreign only, not Indian lier sources), he is a pessimist, he is truthful if he kill a person (his boiling blood ) his inner voice will force him to surrender.

People usually believe whatever they see in news. Religious intolerance may or may not have increased but selective reportings surely did. Even if religous and caste discrimination was on rise, even if common people were more intolerant than they were in 2014, continously repeating it in media or promoting it certainly don't help psycologically. It only creates more divide does not solve it, the thing which Indian media or intellectuals still need to learn. But they are doing it delibrately so they will as it helps opposition. They want to make sure no minority ever votes for BJP. Then create false perception of rising (because its not new in our society) caste dicrimination (holy shit a protest for caste discrimination i am a dalit so i must join it and never vote for BJP). And finaly perception will be created that there is rise in female discrimination as well. One thing to learn in this is that to stir problems in society all you have to do is just break the equilibrium, there will be countless responses out of huge population, put amplifier in front of them and the process will accelerate. Yes there are problems and most of the people acknowledge them too but projecting it as current government's fault or agenda is utterly ridiculous.

Italian slaves (from whom bhakts fear because they think)

Italian, poor peoples politician himself

Vs Indian ( spreading propaganda on the orders of Amit Shah)

Sorry for off topic ^^ @dadeechi It was for you.

 

[Windjammer]

Successful Indian Missile Intercept was in fact a Failure!
By News Desk -
May 24, 2016



On May 15, 2016 India’s Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) announced it conducted a ballistic missile intercept test, to evaluate part of the country’s multi-layered ballistic missile defense. The test involved a target missile – a modified Prithvi missile – launched from a naval ship in the Bay of Bengal and it mimicked the trajectory of a ballistic missile. The formal announcement said the test was successful. News reports published pictures of theAdvanced Air Defence (AAD) Interceptor being launched from the missile test range off Odisha coast.

But news reports aired a week later said it was a complete failure, in fact, the Hindu reported yesterday; the interceptor did not launch at all. “The interceptor never took off to intercept the incoming “enemy” missile which merely fell into the Bay of Bengal,” informed sources told The Hindu. “Post-flight analysis is going on. We do not know whether there was a problem in detecting the missile, whether radars tracked it and communicated it to the interceptor,” said the sources.

In April 2015, a similar mission aborted seconds after the lift-off of the interceptor. In April 2014, the warhead in the interceptor failed to explode, although the interception of the incoming “enemy” missile took place at an altitude of 120 km.

India has raised interest in acquiring the Russian S-400 for its Long Range Surface-to-Air Missile (LRSAM) requirement. Thy system is designed to intercept aircraft and missile targets from long range. India is expected to buy up to five units of the missile systems.

Inaccurate reports on successful missile defense tests are particularly susceptible to false reporting, as are test reports on strategic weapons, since they can create false over- or under-estimation of defensive and offensive power, which could lead to over- and under-estimation of enemy capability under a pretense of strategic power and defensive ability.

A similar failure happened in Israel two years ago, as a critical test of the Arrow missile defense system claimed a success but in fact failed, due to a system malfunction.

http://defense-update.com/20160524_bogus_test.html

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Successful Indian Missile Intercept was in fact a Failure!
By News Desk -
May 24, 2016



On May 15, 2016 India’s Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) announced it conducted a ballistic missile intercept test, to evaluate part of the country’s multi-layered ballistic missile defense. The test involved a target missile – a modified Prithvi missile – launched from a naval ship in the Bay of Bengal and it mimicked the trajectory of a ballistic missile. The formal announcement said the test was successful. News reports published pictures of theAdvanced Air Defence (AAD) Interceptor being launched from the missile test range off Odisha coast.

But news reports aired a week later said it was a complete failure, in fact, the Hindu reported yesterday; the interceptor did not launch at all. “The interceptor never took off to intercept the incoming “enemy” missile which merely fell into the Bay of Bengal,” informed sources told The Hindu. “Post-flight analysis is going on. We do not know whether there was a problem in detecting the missile, whether radars tracked it and communicated it to the interceptor,” said the sources.

In April 2015, a similar mission aborted seconds after the lift-off of the interceptor. In April 2014, the warhead in the interceptor failed to explode, although the interception of the incoming “enemy” missile took place at an altitude of 120 km.

India has raised interest in acquiring the Russian S-400 for its Long Range Surface-to-Air Missile (LRSAM) requirement. Thy system is designed to intercept aircraft and missile targets from long range. India is expected to buy up to five units of the missile systems.

Inaccurate reports on successful missile defense tests are particularly susceptible to false reporting, as are test reports on strategic weapons, since they can create false over- or under-estimation of defensive and offensive power, which could lead to over- and under-estimation of enemy capability under a pretense of strategic power and defensive ability.

A similar failure happened in Israel two years ago, as a critical test of the Arrow missile defense system claimed a success but in fact failed, due to a system malfunction.

http://defense-update.com/20160524_bogus_test.html

It quotes the same source again. Please read before you post.

 

[Windjammer]

It quotes the same source again. Please read before you post.

I did but your attention is drawn to the highlighted part.

 

[Arsalan]

9 out of 11 tests were successful. And there's surely no advantage of giving false news. Worse thing is that ET is citing about it's informed sources without any proof or base.
anyway, what was purpose.

, interceptor test was not even in a much noticed news, at least in India (nor we reported when somebody was crying about balance of power and now got this piece to get his soul in peace.)
whatever, We don't bother about it. Then or Now.

ET?
this news was on "The Hindhu" the last time i read it. Also i guess it was on Diplomat. The Hindu us confirmed anyway.

 

[Imran Khan]

Imran Bhai, choro faltu baatein. India aa jao, ek bottle premium whisky meri taraf se.

no no bro pakistan needs me more