Intelligence Report: "My Stand is with Pakistan"

[El Sidd]

I’ll call the Mullahs degenerate once you find me an Ayatollah with palaces and yachts in Monte Carlo.

that is not a definition of a degenerate.

If you are going to preach neutrality then you must start with your own words.

It is what it is. I don't need to defend both of them to provide you with proof of corruption and lavish lifestyle of Iranian influential strata nor the Saudi.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

that is not a definition of a degenerate.

If you are going to preach neutrality then you must start with your own words.

It is what it is. I don't need to defend both of them to provide you with proof of corruption and lavish lifestyle of Iranian influential strata nor the Saudi.

That is neutrality, to where the State and her citizens are not going to seek to overthrow one or the other & maintain positive relations with both.

Mullah isn’t exactly a positive word around these part anymore.

Bit if you like, Pakistan will not seek the overthrow the Mullahs of Iran or the Sheikhs of Saudi Arabia, and maintain positive relations with both, so far as said relations serve Pakistan’s interests.

 

[El Sidd]

That is neutrality, to where the State and her citizens are not going to seek to overthrow one or the other & maintain positive relations with both.

Mullah isn’t exactly a positive word around these part anymore.

Bit if you like, Pakistan will not seek the overthrow the Mullahs of Iran or the Sheikhs of Saudi Arabia, and maintain positive relations with both, so far as said relations serve Pakistan’s interests.

Mullah and Sheikh are open to interpretation but adjectives attached may question the neutrality of it.

Pakistan strictly adheres to International charter and law. Any foreign attempts to overthrow any government in any part of the world will not gain Pakistan's support in any form covert and overt.

We understand the delicate threads of International diplomacy and state craft.

Amateurish political fans are best kept away from foreign policy matters and must be allowed shenanigans for internal consumption

 

[KhanBaba2]

Pakistan strictly adheres to International charter and law. Any foreign attempts to overthrow any government in any part of the world will not gain Pakistan's support in any form covert and overt.

Except Afghanistan.

 

[El Sidd]

Except Afghanistan.

When Afghanistan grows old enough to understand what an International Border is, it will be given due respect.

 

[KhanBaba2]

When Afghanistan grows old enough to understand what an International Border is, it will be given due respect.

Most countries when they have border issues go to war or have talks.

Pakistan seems to believe in changing government. Not that it makes a difference. The Pakistan friendly Taliban government too did not understand the Pakistan Afghanistan border.

 

[El Sidd]

Most countries when they have border issues go to war or have talks.

Pakistan seems to believe in changing government. Not that it makes a difference. The Pakistan friendly Taliban government too did not understand the Pakistan Afghanistan border.

Sorry we are not interested in taking a leaf out of terror mata books by employing proxy governments and even then Taliban the alleged Pakistan backed government did not settle the border dispute.

We are a mature and a responsible state.

 

[MastanKhan]

Shhh, else i will call uncle @MastanKhan

BTW, you above narrative contradicts your first statement as well as the OP.

Since religion is not a problem for Pakistan and that we are united, going to Yemen is no more an issue as iran will be no more than a proxy provoking neighbour !!!

My personal wish however which is useless due to the decision time being in the past,
Going to yemen would have been strategically as well as economically very useful for Pakistan. We could have went there just to show the world while we actually go to table talks with boots in Yemen in which it would have been hard for Arabs to interfere further and escalate. We could have got some hard earned dollars, oil, physical influence in Yemen and possibly a base. Once again, don’t try to connect this with religion or “i luv arab” “ummah chummah” gang, just an opinion.

However, doing so would have been bad for us as well, Arabs being under the influence of US might have played us somewhere bad in Yemen or post-yemen to be specific in which we stand opposite US Army on ground thus leading to further instability and economic collapse as well as weakened relations with China with cpec never turning into reality from papers during noora tenure.

Hi,

So sad and tragic to hear this information now when most of it is lost---.

These so called Shia intellectuals or Sunni intellectuals they are not worth the chairs that they are sitting on---.

Both of the leaders from either side had NO understand of what Yemen opportunity meant---.

Neither The Shia Ulema and heirarchy had any brains to understand---nor did the Sunni ulema and heirarchy had any intellect and brain to comprehend what the Yemen opportunity meant---.

Totally worthless religious leaders on both sides---.

Coming to an agreement when only the last fortress is standing---and want to take credit like if they will conquer moun everest. Deceitful criminals---.

The general is wrong about our interference during Iran / Iraq war---.

We were not neutral---we supplied Iran with large number of volunteer shia warriors---.

On top of that---we provided Iran with train loads of ammunition to fight the war---and the generals say we were neutral---my foot.

Pakistani intellectual diaspora has no understanding what was on the table and how pakistan could manipulate the situation---.

Now they are coming up with slogans---" we are with pakistan "---well---there is nothing left but pakistan---.

You guys wait and see and understand why US stopped the strike on Iran after iranians shot the aircraft down---.

The just wait for the consequences to get ripe and then see what happens---.

Americans are no fools---the devious mind of the white boys has no seconds---just wait and watch---.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

That's not Pakistan first nor neutral either.

It can either be Mullah versus Sheikhs

or

Degenerate Mullah versus Degenerate Sheikhs

We must be neutral to the literal word if this charade is gonna last long

i am of the view that we take our side
and see what is best for us.
i am not suggesting picking up arms and getting involved is serving our interests.

just be clear and unapologetic.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Deobandi and Barelvi ideology is in direct conflict with salafi/ahle hadis/ahlul sunna wal jama(as they are known in rest of the world and as ahle hadis in Pakistan).

What really happens is these people go to Saudi and pretend to be Salafis to get some sort of stipend. Saudi royal fools also fund some proxies on purpose.

Militants in islam only have one sect it is called Khwarijites.

Years of Western media and military war campaigns have blurred the lines between real G-Had and Khwarijism. Hence giving rise to apologetic and repressed behavior in muslims. Where the muslim has unconsciously started believing G-Had is something inherently evil.

Just watch these two videos Below and dont bother with the rest of the Thread

You Ignored my Request. ok settle down, grab a drink or two because its a long one


Nothing has threatened and harmed us more than the scourge of TTP and its affiliates.

they tried breaking our will through their attacks on schools, shrines, markets and places of worship. they made videos of beheading of soldiers and civilians but we remained defiant and our resolve persevered.

today they are reduced to dust and their remnants are hiding like rats in Pakistan and Afghanistan.


Pakistan has a unique make-up of ethnicity and faith. predominantly Muslims we have the Most Sunnis after Malaysia and the most Shias after Iran and this unique combination has seen the tests of times right from the times of Zia's Islamization to fight the super powers proxy war in Afghanistan, Iran -Iraq war, our own war in tribal areas, Sawat and rest of Pakistan to war in Syria and Yemen.


where others failed, their armies disbanded, we rallied and we united. our country is represented by both faiths in politics, media, showbiz, philosophers, armed forces and sports. what was a weakness for countries like Syria and Iraq proved to be a unifying force instead just like Jinnah and Iqbal.


so my dears, current Iran and American conflict has no chance to disrupt our social, political or religious fabric. those that were all smug and full of themselves to turn our constitution square into Khooni chowk of Sawat are defeated.


dont exaggerate or panic over speeches of some shia clerics they are in no league of Abdul Aziz or red mosque or Sufi Mohammad of Sawat. they both ate dirt and licked their spits. And so will anyone else who will bring our country's security at risk.


our focus should remain on those who went to join Daesh but after its routing have returned back and have recently committed an atrocity in a Mosque in Quetta.



whats with the title you say?

its an extract from an intelligence report that has been purposefully shared with me knowing well that I am part of the team and constant poster on this forum and I knew what I was supposed to do


so this is about a very private shia gathering of elders in Karachi which had representation from other parts of the country there were opinion makers and community leaders with large following. the talk moved to possible involvement of Pakistan in Iran- American war through pressure from America and Saudis and what side the Pakistani shias must take and one gentleman declared that he will stand with Pakistan and to that there was a unanimous roar of Approval and Nara e Haideris.


its outcome has been corroborated multiple times at similar gatherings and gossips across the country despite few rants by some shia leaders who are on Iranian stipend just like their Deobandi counterparts who support their big bellies and lavish SUV's through Arabian stipends.

my footnote is. I hope Iran is not invaded because it is our brotherly neighbor and shares a relatively calm border and if the conflict does start then we cant remain neutral and we will have to take a side and that side should be with Pakistan. we must do and say what suits us best. if we keep worrying about Saudis, Americans and Iranians then we will only end up hurting ourselves and wont get any sympathy from them either.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Hi,

So sad and tragic to hear this information now when most of it is lost---.

These so called Shia intellectuals or Sunni intellectuals they are not worth the chairs that they are sitting on---.

Both of the leaders from either side had NO understand of what Yemen opportunity meant---.

Neither The Shia Ulema and heirarchy had any brains to understand---nor did the Sunni ulema and heirarchy had any intellect and brain to comprehend what the Yemen opportunity meant---.

Totally worthless religious leaders on both sides---.

Coming to an agreement when only the last fortress is standing---and want to take credit like if they will conquer moun everest. Deceitful criminals---.

The general is wrong about our interference during Iran / Iraq war---.

We were not neutral---we supplied Iran with large number of volunteer shia warriors---.

On top of that---we provided Iran with train loads of ammunition to fight the war---and the generals say we were neutral---my foot.

Pakistani intellectual diaspora has no understanding what was on the table and how pakistan could manipulate the situation---.

Now they are coming up with slogans---" we are with pakistan "---well---there is nothing left but pakistan---.

You guys wait and see and understand why US stopped the strike on Iran after iranians shot the aircraft down---.

The just wait for the consequences to get ripe and then see what happens---.

Americans are no fools---the devious mind of the white boys has no seconds---just wait and watch---.

indeed the neoCons are looking for an oppertunity
we did quietly send troops to saudis to fight their war on Yemen and also sent mercenaries to crush iranian backed arab awakening in Bahrain. many went to fight fir Asad the butcher or join the Daesh cannibals so indeed we not been inactive.

with Gen Zia on the helm there was no question of us helping iran during its war with Iraq its unthinkable. they did help us un 65 and 71 but we officially didnt send ammo oil nurses and weapons fir them like you suggest.but then again you might know more.

but its irrelevant, we better watch out and see what is better. knowing well we screw up and end up damaging ourselves and annoy all parties too.

really good post .. thank you

thanks it was a duty

 

[Maarkhoor]

Just watch these two videos Below and dont bother with the rest of the Thread

You Ignored my Request. ok settle down, grab a drink or two because its a long one


Nothing has threatened and harmed us more than the scourge of TTP and its affiliates.

they tried breaking our will through their attacks on schools, shrines, markets and places of worship. they made videos of beheading of soldiers and civilians but we remained defiant and our resolve persevered.

today they are reduced to dust and their remnants are hiding like rats in Pakistan and Afghanistan.


Pakistan has a unique make-up of ethnicity and faith. predominantly Muslims we have the Most Sunnis after Malaysia and the most Shias after Iran and this unique combination has seen the tests of times right from the times of Zia's Islamization to fight the super powers proxy war in Afghanistan, Iran -Iraq war, our own war in tribal areas, Sawat and rest of Pakistan to war in Syria and Yemen.


where others failed, their armies disbanded, we rallied and we united. our country is represented by both faiths in politics, media, showbiz, philosophers, armed forces and sports. what was a weakness for countries like Syria and Iraq proved to be a unifying force instead just like Jinnah and Iqbal.


so my dears, current Iran and American conflict has no chance to disrupt our social, political or religious fabric. those that were all smug and full of themselves to turn our constitution square into Khooni chowk of Sawat are defeated.


dont exaggerate or panic over speeches of some shia clerics they are in no league of Abdul Aziz or red mosque or Sufi Mohammad of Sawat. they both ate dirt and licked their spits. And so will anyone else who will bring our country's security at risk.


our focus should remain on those who went to join Daesh but after its routing have returned back and have recently committed an atrocity in a Mosque in Quetta.



whats with the title you say?

its an extract from an intelligence report that has been purposefully shared with me knowing well that I am part of the team and constant poster on this forum and I knew what I was supposed to do


so this is about a very private shia gathering of elders in Karachi which had representation from other parts of the country there were opinion makers and community leaders with large following. the talk moved to possible involvement of Pakistan in Iran- American war through pressure from America and Saudis and what side the Pakistani shias must take and one gentleman declared that he will stand with Pakistan and to that there was a unanimous roar of Approval and Nara e Haideris.


its outcome has been corroborated multiple times at similar gatherings and gossips across the country despite few rants by some shia leaders who are on Iranian stipend just like their Deobandi counterparts who support their big bellies and lavish SUV's through Arabian stipends.

my footnote is. I hope Iran is not invaded because it is our brotherly neighbor and shares a relatively calm border and if the conflict does start then we cant remain neutral and we will have to take a side and that side should be with Pakistan. we must do and say what suits us best. if we keep worrying about Saudis, Americans and Iranians then we will only end up hurting ourselves and wont get any sympathy from them either.

Problem is not with Sunni but with Shias who are more loyal to Iran because their Aytullah is there and they can wage war against Pakistan if Aytullah says.....

Aytullahs says he have direct links with Hazrat Mehdi R.A and as per their believes he lives in a cave past many centuries (do you believe ?) and he is guiding him....I can't buy this choran at any given time....

By the way how many percent of Shias in Pakistan?

 

[Itachi]

"Pakistan First"....sit down....watch the region burn and wait for your turn...that's what I get from this "Pakistani First" & "Pakistaniat" ideology...


If you don't step up, take lead and clean the neighborhood then count the years until you're turned into another Syria...

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I’ll call the Iranian Mullahs degenerate once you find me an Ayatollah with palaces and yachts in Monte Carlo.

neither do the taliban maybe he is insulting them for their policies and oppression of civil rights in Iran

 

[Itachi]

i am of the view that we take our side
and see what is best for us.
i am not suggesting picking up arms and getting involved is serving our interests.

just be clear and unapologetic.

Let the Arabs, Iranians and the US fight it out....burn them all in the coming wars. Get your economy up, take charge and be the new US in the region.

Once bloodshed has reached its peak or/& ended, broker deals between the two extremes in the region. Take control of Makkah & Medina....limit Iranian influence or just curb it to the ground.

Formup an actual Muslim alliance, against the West (or just the US), with the help of Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia etc....clean up the Muslim world of Western backed dictators (like Sisi)...expand your own sphere of influence.

I'm sure the EU won't interfere in all of this....they're not like the US and more cautious when they know they're going up against a near peer adversaries.

Bring in a new age of prosperity with the dismantling of neocolonial grip all around the Muslim world.

Obviously, it's easier said than done but you gotta have some backbone which Pakistan right now severely lacks imo.

That is neutrality, to where the State and her citizens are not going to seek to overthrow one or the other & maintain positive relations with both.

Mullah isn’t exactly a positive word around these part anymore.

Bit if you like, Pakistan will not seek the overthrow the Mullahs of Iran or the Sheikhs of Saudi Arabia, and maintain positive relations with both, so far as said relations serve Pakistan’s interests.

Why not just overthrow both of them??

We know these regimes aren't going to last long....either the Zio-US backed Saudis or the rabid Mullahs.