Integration confirmed for Brazil's MAR-1 missile

[Silk]

@Fatman17
The MAR-1 can also use supplementary targeting information from the JF-17's radar warning receivers (RWR).

what kind of RWRs are being used on JF-17's in support of MAR-1 missiles?
As PAC has indigenous production of BM/KJ-8602 & KJ-8602A RWRs which are being used in F-7 varients. Is JF-17's also using same RWRs.

BLock 2 will have improves ECM, RWR and MAWS. Also it will have probably DRFM so in total a very capable and flexible system.

 

[SBD-3]

blk 40/42 and above can operate the HARM. the F16MLU is = to blk 40/42 so can fire both HARM & AIM-120

I dont know what EW features will be going in MLU but carrying HARM means the aircraft will certainly be able to do "wild wiesel" stuff. I am unaware of any such upgrades.....

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

this is the real confirmation of MAR-1 integration

 

[timberwolf]

JF-17 Thunder No. 26 Squadron Black Spiders armed with Brazilian MAR-1 ARM

This is how MAR-1 armed JFT will look like .

 

[PakShaheen79]

this is the real confirmation of MAR-1 integration

GBU-10 and GBU-12 are also there. So JFT can carry American Laser guided bombs as well apart from Chinese weapons. It is Cool man.

 

[Bratva]

]GBU-10 and GBU-12 are also there. So JFT can carry American Laser guided bombs as well apart from Chinese weapons. It is Cool man[/B].

In theory. Just like theoretically it can carry RAAD but when it comes for practical or reality, it's a different game and yet to be seen.

 

[PakShaheen79]

In theory. Just like theoretically it can carry RAAD but when it comes for practical or reality, it's a different game and yet to be seen.

I think being a Pakistani built plane and a Pakistani missile ... It must not be the problem.

 

[Bratva]

I think being a Pakistani built plane and a Pakistani missile ... It must not be the problem.

The problem is JF-17 Block-1 can carry the RAAD missile? Will it's structure or RD-93 will support it. For GBU-10 or 12 we have to face integration problems just like SD-10 faced as well as These GB missiles need a sophisticated POD help which we havent been tested on JF-17 yet.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

The problem is JF-17 Block-1 can carry the RAAD missile? Will it's structure or RD-93 will support it. For GBU-10 or 12 we have to face integration problems just like SD-10 faced as well as These GB missiles need a sophisticated POD help which we havent been tested on JF-17 yet.

Both Raad tests were carried out by Mirage-3, a third generation aircraft, with no french assistance. Now you are arguing on JF-17 Structure or RD-93 performance. How much three 800 Ltr Fuel tanks mean to you, when you have to carry them to UK or to Izmir ? Same goes to Two C-802 Missile with one Center line fuel tank. You would have seen these configurations quite often. Carrying RA'AD is not a problem for JF-17, it can be carried under fuselage hard point which can carry MK-82 2000 lb bomb and RA'AD,s weight is arround 1000 kg too. Same goes to GBU-10/12, carrying it not a problem at all. Even F-7pg can carry and drop GBU-12. All it need proper guidance and a targeting pod. While RA'AD integration can be done easily, just let it be operational.

 

[Bratva]

Both Raad tests were carried out by Mirage-3, a third generation aircraft, with no french assistance. Now you are arguing on JF-17 Structure or RD-93 performance. How much three 800 Ltr Fuel tanks mean to you, when you have to carry them to UK or to Izmir ? Same goes to Two C-802 Missile with one Center line fuel tank. You would have seen these configurations quite often. Carrying RA'AD is not a problem for JF-17, it can be carried under fuselage hard point which can carry MK-82 2000 lb bomb and RA'AD,s weight is arround 1000 kg too. Same goes to GBU-10/12, carrying it not a problem at all. Even F-7pg can carry and drop GBU-12. All it need proper guidance and a targeting pod. While RA'AD integration can be done easily, just let it be operational.

Sire I totally agree with you on all points.... But it's been more than 2 years since JF-17 passed FOC and it's enough time to test RAAD and GBU or POD on JF-17 but thery weren't tested.... that's why i said few post ago it's all theoretically viable but practically we have ye to seen these assumptions to be verified

 

[Insaan]

GBU-10 and GBU-12 are also there. So JFT can carry American Laser guided bombs as well apart from Chinese weapons. It is Cool man.

Also notice that AIM-9 can also be carried by JFT!!!

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

A point to note is that the company we bought the missiles from has 5 engineers ? lol man we should just invest the money in local engineers and we have 100,000k engineers in Pakistan

Reference:

CAMEX approves guarantee to sell missiles to Pakistan (main source Associated Press)
The Chamber of Commerce (CAMEX) days approved 2/12/2008 guarantees the Union for the delivery of 100 missiles by the company Mectron for the government of Pakistan. According to Defense Minister Nelson Jobim, the contract between Mectron, the Pakistani government and the Air Force (FAB) was signed in April this year and depended on approval of the government guarantee for the operation. Jobim said Mectron receive for such export 85 million. The minister explained that a contract is important because Mectron increase its production capacity of a missile to five missiles per month. "What will quintuple the capacity of the company in respect of manpower and skill," Jobim said.

The minister said the Mectron is a small, high technology, consisting of five engineers from the Institute of Aeronautical Technology (ITA), but has the Banco Nacional de Desenvolvimento Economico e Social (BNDES) as a partner. Jobim said that the missiles are anti-radiation, which are coupled in planes to identify the source of radars and are able to destroy them."It works as a very effective monitoring of space and land," said the minister.

The development of anti-missile radar MAR-1 allowed the weapon currently has six set ups or possible modes of operation being employed, being a dependent of the FAB define which of them will be incorporated in the final version of the missile. The most common is the search for targets autonomously performed by the missile, which automatically identifies all the electromagnetic emissions present in the area of ​​operations, classifying them into friends or enemies, and presenting them to the pilot to select a target; or search for a specific target, selected from among those existing in a large library in memory of the missile, updatable at any time.The MAR-1 also has the ability to continue the attack to the target, even if it ceases its emissions. "We can identify a target using the satellites to triangulate its position, which then pass the information via data-link to the aircraft, which feeds the data into the missile.

But then the question remains: Who in Latin America or Africa, our potential market, holds the technology of network-centric warfare? . No use putting in a missile capability that nobody will use. This only raises the costs of gun and decreases your chances of export "- says one of the engineers Mectron. Asked if the weapon has GPS system to ensure accuracy in the final attack, or if you have a parachute system to be used in order to attack targets of opportunity, as the British ALARM, the company said those figures are still classified. "What we can say is that MAR-1 is a weapon of 350 kg, full capacity and that there is nothing due to any similar foreign, surpassing even some of them. When the missile comes into operation on FAB and its capabilities are being revealed, I'm sure everyone will be extremely proud of the exceptional weapon we build "- says a company official. The scope that had been published in the specialized press, which gave numbers of 25 km for a launch on 30 thousand feet, Mectron states: "This is totally out of reality, are given an aerodynamic study that were not updated. The current range, demonstrated in tests, is much, much larger than this, and we will improve it further. So you can have an idea, recently carried out a test with a new engine that was so powerful it melted the exhaust nozzle and the rear portion of the missile, so we had to redesign everything. Now, a real number set and I can not provide. It's confidential. "

The development has undergone various difficulties such as lack of national platform gyros (navigation system, weapon direction) while looking for the target systems, this system suffered embargoes while attempting to purchase external forcing technicians to develop the product in the country, starting from scratch, developed a miniature block the fiber optic gyros with three orthogonal axes, providing the central processing of weapon and required information along with the accelerometers guarantee the accuracy of the equipment. The same happened with the missile's seeker head that when the Brazilian government sought to buy a U.S. supplier, purchase one that was clearly blocked by the U.S. government as "not interesting for the American defense in Brazil to introduce anti-radiation weapons in this region "forcing the CTA to develop locally the search head. The results achieved in tests and simulations was that the search head is able to detect a radar low power (a head shot Skyguard) over distances of 500 km. The CTA used HS 123 aircraft of the division of flight tests and simulations emissions TS 100 systems plus the Excalibur (05 to 18 GHZ).

Possible features cited by author from wikipedia


Range More than 35 km to 30 000 feet.
Speed ​​Release Mach 0.5 to Mach 1.2
Display angle Sidelobes of the radar antenna detected
Viewing angle 60 °
Overall length 4030 mm
Diameter 230 mm
Total mass 274 Kg
War Head 90 Kg
Guiding Passive
Fuse Active laser
Manufacturer Mectron Industry and Trade
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[killerx]

MAR-1 has long range does it na JF17 can perform deep strick mission and take out the radars

 

[MastanKhan]

A point to note is that the company we bought the missiles from has 5 engineers ? lol man we should just invest the money in local engineers and we have 100,000k engineers in Pakistan

Reference:

CAMEX approves guarantee to sell missiles to Pakistan (main source Associated Press)
The Chamber of Commerce (CAMEX) days approved 2/12/2008 guarantees the Union for the delivery of 100 missiles by the company Mectron for the government of Pakistan. According to Defense Minister Nelson Jobim, the contract between Mectron, the Pakistani government and the Air Force (FAB) was signed in April this year and depended on approval of the government guarantee for the operation. Jobim said Mectron receive for such export 85 million. The minister explained that a contract is important because Mectron increase its production capacity of a missile to five missiles per month. "What will quintuple the capacity of the company in respect of manpower and skill," Jobim said.

The minister said the Mectron is a small, high technology, consisting of five engineers from the Institute of Aeronautical Technology (ITA), but has the Banco Nacional de Desenvolvimento Economico e Social (BNDES) as a partner. Jobim said that the missiles are anti-radiation, which are coupled in planes to identify the source of radars and are able to destroy them."It works as a very effective monitoring of space and land," said the minister.

Hi,

Actually in real sense---you really need ONE LEAD ENGINEER who knows the job and the rest of the engineers to follow thru with the directions.

The example 100000 engineers in pakistan can do it---no they cannot---they don't have the resource plus the knowledge to manufacture one.

 

[Bossman]

A point to note is that the company we bought the missiles from has 5 engineers ? lol man we should just invest the money in local engineers and we have 100,000k engineers in Pakistan

Reference:

CAMEX approves guarantee to sell missiles to Pakistan (main source Associated Press)
The Chamber of Commerce (CAMEX) days approved 2/12/2008 guarantees the Union for the delivery of 100 missiles by the company Mectron for the government of Pakistan. According to Defense Minister Nelson Jobim, the contract between Mectron, the Pakistani government and the Air Force (FAB) was signed in April this year and depended on approval of the government guarantee for the operation. Jobim said Mectron receive for such export 85 million. The minister explained that a contract is important because Mectron increase its production capacity of a missile to five missiles per month. "What will quintuple the capacity of the company in respect of manpower and skill," Jobim said.

The minister said the Mectron is a small, high technology, consisting of five engineers from the Institute of Aeronautical Technology (ITA), but has the Banco Nacional de Desenvolvimento Economico e Social (BNDES) as a partner. Jobim said that the missiles are anti-radiation, which are coupled in planes to identify the source of radars and are able to destroy them."It works as a very effective monitoring of space and land," said the minister.

Hi,

Actually in real sense---you really need ONE LEAD ENGINEER who knows the job and the rest of the engineers to follow thru with the directions.

The example 100000 engineers in pakistan can do it---no they cannot---they don't have the resource plus the knowledge to manufacture one.

How do you know they cannot? Pakistan has succesfuly undertaken much bigger and more complex projects