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whether we rank 1st 2nd or 100th it doesn,t matter but we are progressing, united and free (right to elect our government) is the only thing which matters.:cheers:

I don't know if India is really developing.
After all India has a ton of problems especially with Naxalites and poverty.

As for your statements, you are merely just talking, talking, and talking.
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In China, hit-and-run case sparks morality debate

A hit-and-run case in a southern Chinese city that saw two vehicles knock down a two-year-old girl, who was then left to die in the street while at least 18 passersby ignored her fate, has shocked China and stirred debate about a widely perceived decline in social morality.

The girl was run over – twice – by two goods van in Foshan, in southern Guangdong province, on October 13. Not only did the vans drive away without helping her, at least 18 passersby, who seemingly saw the girl lying hurt on the street, walked away without helping her.

It took 57-year-old Chen Xianmei, who makes a living recycling waste from Foshan’s streets, to help the girl to the side of the road and call for help.

Even as Chinese State media said on Wednesday morning that Yue Yue remained “close to brain dead” in a Foshan hospital, public outrage over her case this past week triggered donations of hundreds of thousands of yuan coming in to her family and her rescuer.

After a video of the accident hit China’s vibrant Internet, Yue Yue’s story spread like wildfire through social media networks, prompting hundreds of thousands of comments on microblogging sites like Sina Weibo, which is used by more than a hundred million Chinese netizens.

Many of the comments online expressed concern over the direction of Chinese society in the three decades since economic reforms, and an increasing focus on money and the material amid decaying social morality.

Many users even expressed nostalgia for the days of Mao Zedong, where China was “poorer” but had “more values.”

“October 13 should become a day of national shame for Chinese,” wrote one blogger.

“Today, [the 18 passersby] have shamed the whole of Foshan,” the Communist Party-run Foshan Daily said in a front-page headline.

According to the Hong Kong-based China Media Project, which monitors media trends in China, the “implications” of the incident were being “widely discussed in China’s media, both new and old.”

Even the usually nationalistic Global Times said in an editorial “selfishness is unscrupulously booming in China.”

The Foshan tragedy, the paper said, reflected “a type of apathy… that lingers in Chinese society” and “a moral decay that exists within the nation.”

The newspaper said self-interest had become “highly tolerated, even respected by some Chinese, and even seen as an ideological tool to break the traditional values of collectivism.”

The Guangzhou Daily, another official paper, quoted Fudan University sociologist Gu Xiaoming as saying that the sweeping changes facing Chinese society had brought about a loss in “reverence for life” and an “indifference or coldness” about life and death.

One of the passersby who did not help Yue Yue, the mother of a five-year-old girl, said she felt “regretful, compassionate, painful at heart and guilty.”

“I thought she had fallen down from playing and didn’t know she was run over by vehicles until her mother came in tears. She was bleeding from the mouth and nose and crying faintly. I was scared and my daughter was scared to cry. So we left in a hurry,” she told the Guangzhou Daily.

Amid the outrage and sadness about the case, there was some optimism that it would prompt welcome soul-searching and encourage greater social responsibility.

One company in Guangdong province said it pledged 500,000 yuan ($ 79,365) to Yue Yue’s, and would support a fund to reward people who help others, the official China Daily reported.

Another company said it donated 50,000 yuan ($ 7,936) to Yue Yue’s father, and offered Ms. Chen the same amount and a cleaning job.

Ms. Chen first refused the money, but then said she would share it with Yue Yue’s family.

“I didn’t do it for money,” she told the Southern Metropolitan News. “I didn’t earn the money. I will feel uneasy if I take it.”
 
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I don't know if India is really developing.
After all India has a ton of problems especially with Naxalites and poverty.

As for your statements, you are merely just talking, talking, and talking.
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Nayi cartoon site mil gayi to bhai ne sare toons yahi par use karne ka faisla kar liya...:rofl:
 
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IQ testing
20-08-2010


Chinese IQ = 105
Indian IQ = 78

Chinese their average IQ is high.
Indians score BELOW the Western average on IQ

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whats the use of high iq even your government doesnt trust you to do the righ thing unless told to :lol:
and why spam in an unrelated topic?
 
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I don't know if India is really developing.

For your information, India is developing

After all India has a ton of problems especially with Naxalites and poverty.

After 1991 india started making changes for development. Now in 2011 we acheived some target and there are many target still to achieved.

As for your statements, you are merely just talking, talking, and talking.

In democracy people love to have discussion (talking).:blah:

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don't get frustrated:fie:
 
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For your information, India is developing



After 1991 india started making changes for development. Now in 2011 we acheived some target and there are many target still to achieved.



In democracy people love to have discussion (talking).:blah:

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don't get frustrated:fie:[/QUOTE]

Acha, I'm glad you like the cartoons. ;)

Hahaha!

stop sulking then lol.
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Very true for this Thread.

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When are yours exams.

I'm finished with my exams.

Now let stay focused on topic.
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The topic talks about how India is a now in a precarious situation.
How India has not met its target of 9% growth.
Instead India is getting 7%.

Don't you think that is a big deal?
Off by 2%! Or were Indian ministers just lying.

The Indian rupee is an precarious situation where it might go in a free fall.
Don't you think that is something to be concerned about.
 
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I'm finished with my exams.

Now let stay focused on topic.
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The topic talks about how India is a now in a precarious situation.
How India has not met its target of 9% growth.
Instead India is getting 7%.

Don't you think that is a big deal.
Off by 2%! Or were Indian ministers just lying.

its not that big,if it was like 4% then that would be big,there is slowdown throughout the world why would india be immune
 
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The Indian/Chinese IQ puzzle

Both India and China are countries that have had the sort of moderate contact with the rest of Eurasia that their position at two extremities of Asia would lead one to expect. Both India and China have had their own sophisticated civilizations for at least two thousand years. The Chinese invented such things as gunpowder and printing. The Indians invented the so-called “Arabic” numerals that we use to this day and one of their religions (Buddhism) has been enormously influential outside their own borders. Both Indians and Chinese do extremely well economically outside their home countries. To me this is a picture of two generally intelligent populations. Yet the average IQ score for the two differs markedy. Chinese score somewhat above the Western norm and Indians score markedly below it. How come?

The usual explanation of IQ in terms of climate is straightforward. India has a much warmer climate than China and the severe Northern Chinese winter has selected heavily for ability to think ahead and intelligence generally. Consonant with that, it is only Northern East Asians (the Han Chinese, the Koreans and the Japanese) that have the IQ advantage. Southern East Asians (Filipinos, Malayans and Vietnamese) are if anything slightly below the British/American norm.

As a very criterion-oriented psychometrician, however, I am not really convinced by that explanation. I know Indians very well and I have even done social surveys in India. And I cannot convince myself that Indians suffer any real disadvantage. I am inclined to the view that the difference we see lies in the non-genetic causes of intelligence. Since a third of intelligence is NOT genetically determined, environmental factors would be well able to explain the measured IQ differences between Indians and Chinese.

So what could be the environmental factors that differ? Here we are as far as I can see entirely in the realm of speculation. The difference that occurs to me is the legendary Chinese devotion to education—which goes back long before significant Western contact. Even in the days of Marco Polo (Yes. I know that the Marco Polo tale is probably a compilation from various sources) entry to the Imperial Chinese civil service was via examination. India, by contrast, has nothing comparable. There was some stress on education during the British Raj but the Raj (or “Reich”, as the Germans would say) had nearly complete control of India for not much more than a hundred years (the Sepoy mutiny was in 1857). What DOES characterize the Indians as far as I can see is an enormous devotion to chat. The Indians are as talkative as the Chinese and Japanese are reserved. So it always amuses me to see the different contributions that the Indians and Chinese are now making to the globalized economy. The Chinese have become the workshop of the world and now supply all the widgets and gadgets that anyone could need. Our supermarkets are full of their manufactures. And what do the Indians export? TALK! They are the call-centre headquarters of the world! How fitting!

And note that verbal ability is the core element in IQ. If you want a quick index of IQ, vocabulary size is the best available shortcut measure. So that fact too militates against Indians really being dumb.

So what I think has happened is that the Indians have the depressed IQ scores that are characteristic of an overwhelmingly rural population (scores which rise with urbanization) but in China an equally rural population has overcome the rural handicap by an emphasis on education skills—and those skills help to maximize IQ scores.

The lower scores of the Southern East Asians are usually explaimed by pointing to a history of interbreeding with pre-existing indigenous populations and I suspect that the Negritos (pygmies) are the main culprit there. Filipino and Vietnamese women in particular are still often remarkably short by our standards.
 
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The topic talks about how India is a now in a precarious situation.
How India has not met its target of 9% growth.
Instead India is getting 7%.

Don't you think that is a big deal?
Off by 2%! Or were Indian ministers just lying.

The Indian rupee is an precarious situation where it might go in a free fall.
Don't you think that is something to be concerned about.

Its not called lying, its called a forecast for a reason, sometimes you better the forecast, sometimes you come short.

By your logic I guess this Pakistani minister was lying too?

The IMF Outlook for the Middle East, North Africa, Afghanistan, and Pakistan (MENAP) also forecasts GDP growth of 2.6 per cent for Pakistan in the fiscal year ending in June 2012, compared with the government’s target of 4.2 per cent.
 
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its not that big,if it was like 4% then that would be big,there is slowdown throughout the world why would india be immune

Read this:


Is India’s economic bubble about to burst?


Amidst all economic doom and gloom from the US and Europe, growth figures from the upcoming economies in the rest of the world – including China, Brazil and India – have remained a a breath of fresh air. But how long will these “new” economies be able to come up with good news? Or will the American/European crisis pose a real threat to these countries?

In recent weeks, China and India presented new economic growth figures that weren’t as bright as they had been over the past few years. First, China’s property bubble seems to be deflating. “It is bursting,” Chinese economist Andy Xie even said in the Financial Times this week. He predicted prices may fall by as much as 25 percent soon, as sales volumes are sliding and property prices are falling sharply.

Also, stock indexes in Shanghai have fallen by 30 percent since May, and even by 60 percent since 2008. “That’s as much in real terms as Wall Street from 1929 to 1933,” a spokesman from French bank Societé Generale stated this week.


India
But China is not the only so-called “Bric” (Brazil, Russia, India, China) country that is facing tougher economic times. The Reserve Bank of India – the country’s central bank – issued a warning earlier this week for continuing high inflation rates and an unprecedented 18 percent slide in the value of the rupee in the last few months.

India’s inflation rate in November was 9.1 percent, which undermines the RBI’s goal to drop the inflation rate to 7 percent by March 2012.


Rupee
The falling value of the rupee to the dollar is another headache for the RBI. Since July, the rupee has slid by 18 percent, although economists say that this development is beyond India’s control. “The behavior of the rupee is the reflection of the behavior of the dollar,” C. Rangarajan, chairman of the Prime Minister’s Economic Advisory Council, said to press agency Reuters. “There is little that Indian policymakers can do about this.”

“The rupee is subject to the whims of global investors, who are buying the dollar as a safe haven from the euro-zone debt crisis,” he continued. It makes the rupee less interesting for international investors, resulting in a slide in its value.

Economists think the rupee will fall further in coming months.


Output
Another threat to India’s economic growth is the slump in the country’s industrial output, which dropped five percent compared to last year. It was the first fall in over two years.

In fact, the Indian government had expected a growth rate of 9 percent by March next year, but now analysts say India will struggle to grow even 7 percent. While this figure is still much higher than in Europe or the US, it is the lowest growth figure for India in a number of years.


Parliament
To add to India’s growing monetary worries, both the RBI and parliament seem hesitant (or unable) to act swiftly. Parliament has not yet decided on measures to lift some economic pain, as politicians simply cannot reach agreement on which measures should be taken.

Meanwhile, the RBI is unable to ease monetary policy, something that national banks in other countries such as Brazil and China have already done.


Next victim?
Economists now fear that India and other Bric countries may be the next victims of the worldwide economic crisis. For India, smaller growth would have a disastrous effect on employment and income, as many Indians would lose their jobs if the economy falters.


European austerity measures
Another threat to India’s economy are Europe’s austerity measures to ease the euro-debt crisis. Harvard University professor Amartya Sen told the Financial Times on Thursday that this would lead to a “spiraling catastrophe”, as these measures will result in lower demand for Indian products and services.

“Given that these austerity measures will continue for the next decade or so, the outlook for India’s economy is not bright,” Mr Sen added.

Is India

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The Indian/Chinese IQ puzzle

Both India and China are countries that have had the sort of moderate contact with the rest of Eurasia that their position at two extremities of Asia would lead one to expect. Both India and China have had their own sophisticated civilizations for at least two thousand years. The Chinese invented such things as gunpowder and printing. The Indians invented the so-called “Arabic” numerals that we use to this day and one of their religions (Buddhism) has been enormously influential outside their own borders. Both Indians and Chinese do extremely well economically outside their home countries. To me this is a picture of two generally intelligent populations. Yet the average IQ score for the two differs markedy. Chinese score somewhat above the Western norm and Indians score markedly below it. How come?

The usual explanation of IQ in terms of climate is straightforward. India has a much warmer climate than China and the severe Northern Chinese winter has selected heavily for ability to think ahead and intelligence generally. Consonant with that, it is only Northern East Asians (the Han Chinese, the Koreans and the Japanese) that have the IQ advantage. Southern East Asians (Filipinos, Malayans and Vietnamese) are if anything slightly below the British/American norm.

As a very criterion-oriented psychometrician, however, I am not really convinced by that explanation. I know Indians very well and I have even done social surveys in India. And I cannot convince myself that Indians suffer any real disadvantage. I am inclined to the view that the difference we see lies in the non-genetic causes of intelligence. Since a third of intelligence is NOT genetically determined, environmental factors would be well able to explain the measured IQ differences between Indians and Chinese.

So what could be the environmental factors that differ? Here we are as far as I can see entirely in the realm of speculation. The difference that occurs to me is the legendary Chinese devotion to education—which goes back long before significant Western contact. Even in the days of Marco Polo (Yes. I know that the Marco Polo tale is probably a compilation from various sources) entry to the Imperial Chinese civil service was via examination. India, by contrast, has nothing comparable. There was some stress on education during the British Raj but the Raj (or “Reich”, as the Germans would say) had nearly complete control of India for not much more than a hundred years (the Sepoy mutiny was in 1857). What DOES characterize the Indians as far as I can see is an enormous devotion to chat. The Indians are as talkative as the Chinese and Japanese are reserved. So it always amuses me to see the different contributions that the Indians and Chinese are now making to the globalized economy. The Chinese have become the workshop of the world and now supply all the widgets and gadgets that anyone could need. Our supermarkets are full of their manufactures. And what do the Indians export? TALK! They are the call-centre headquarters of the world! How fitting!

And note that verbal ability is the core element in IQ. If you want a quick index of IQ, vocabulary size is the best available shortcut measure. So that fact too militates against Indians really being dumb.

So what I think has happened is that the Indians have the depressed IQ scores that are characteristic of an overwhelmingly rural population (scores which rise with urbanization) but in China an equally rural population has overcome the rural handicap by an emphasis on education skills—and those skills help to maximize IQ scores.

The lower scores of the Southern East Asians are usually explaimed by pointing to a history of interbreeding with pre-existing indigenous populations and I suspect that the Negritos (pygmies) are the main culprit there. Filipino and Vietnamese women in particular are still often remarkably short by our standards.

This is irrelevant to the topic at hand.
 
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There is a lot that can be said about the conditions in India, & the same applies for Pakistan.

Let us get out of this petty mindset, & not let the quality of this forum drop further.
 
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