INS Vikramaditya commissioned

[Gessler]

Interesting image : Two helicopters, a Ka-27 ASW and a Ka-31 AEW, being
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[FalconsForPeace]

New Carrier Steaming to India Without Air Defense System

India's aircraft carrier acquired from Russia will initially lack its air defense system, based on the Barak-8 missile. (Georges Seguin/Wikimedia)

After a five-year delay in acquiring a Russian aircraft carrier, the Indian Navy will have to wait further before the vessel is equipped with its proposed air defense system.

The Indo-Israeli joint project for the Long Range Surface to Air Missile (LRSAM) system for the carrier has been hit by technical snags, meaning the Admiral Gorshkov, now renamed Vikramaditya, which was formally received by Defence Minister A.K. Antony Nov. 15, will arrive in India without an air defense system. The system is based on the Israeli Barak missile.

An Indian Navy official admitted the carrier initially will have no air defense system. The carrier, however, will have an advanced electronic warfare jamming system and will be protected as part of a carrier group, the official added. It also will be equipped with an AK-630 rapid-fire gun system to destroy incoming missiles and aircraft.

“The main weaponry of the ship would be the ship-based aircraft, i.e. aircraft and helicopters with their integral weapons,” an Indian Navy spokesman, P.V. Satish, told Defense News.

However, a Navy source said the weaponization would include the fitting of a variety of guns, primarily of 20mm and 30mm.

The LRSAM, which is being jointly developed by India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation and Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI), is facing technical snags, an Indian Navy spokesman said, but gave no details. The joint development program was conceived in 2007, and LRSAM was to be ready for the Vikramaditya in 2014.

The LRSAM will have a multifunctional acquisition radar, one 3-D S-band guidance radar, one command-and-control system and four launchers, each carrying eight missiles.

IAI can independently install an air defense system, but there have been disputes regarding technology transfer.

The Indian Defence Ministry said it has expressed its concern to Israel about the delay. IAI executives here declined to comment.

New Carrier Steaming to India Without Air Defense System | Defense News | defensenews.com

 

[sancho]

Interesting image : Two helicopters, a Ka-27 ASW and a Ka-31 AEW, being
raised up to the flight deck on the same lift at the same time -

Another view from the same lift:

 

[FOX80]

SOURCE: RIA Novosti

India’s Vikramaditya aircraft carrier left a shipyard in northern Russia on Tuesday, embarking on a long voyage to its permanent base half way across the world, the Sevmash shipbuilder said.

The Vikramaditya, a refurbished Russian carrier known as the Admiral Gorshkov, will make a short stop for refueling in the White Sea then proceed to the port of Murmansk, where the warship will stay for several days stocking up on fuel and other supplies before heading to a naval base in Karwar in southwestern India.

The aircraft carrier, which was handed over to the Indian navy on November 16, will be accompanied by an Indian tanker and a frigate on the first leg of the voyage, which is expected to take about two months.

According to Sevmash, there are some 180 Russian specialists on board the warship who are tasked with monitoring the vessel’s overall performance and the on-site training of the Indian crew, as well as providing assistance in fixing any possible glitches in the operation of the ship’s systems, including air conditioning.

Part of the Russian personnel will stay on the Vikramaditya after its arrival in India in order to provide maintenance services under a one-year warranty agreement, followed by a servicing contract for a period of up to 40 years, the Sevmash said.

The Vikramaditya carrier, which is now five years past its original 2008 delivery date, was supposed to have been handed over to India in December 2012, but last year’s sea trials revealed that the vessel’s boilers were not fully functional.

The ship’s refitting has lurched from one crisis to another since India and Russia signed a $947 million deal in 2004 for its purchase and refurbishment. Delivery has been delayed three times, pushing up the cost to $2.3 billion, sparking acrimony between Moscow and New Delhi over the contract.

The Indian Navy has already taken delivery of some of the carrier’s MiG-29K naval fighter aircraft, which were completed before their parent ship was ready for sea.

 

[KRAIT]

Ghar aaja Pardesi tujhko Desh bulaye re....

 

[Manvantaratruti]

IAI can independently install an air defense system, but there have been disputes regarding technology transfer.

After the Russians screwed us over the Viki price escalation, Indian defense and MoD has now acquired a reputation of being world class dunce.

Every nation is now blackmailing us for more money or denying us Technology Transfer. Russia for PakFa, France for Rafale, Israel for Barak 8.

Ironically India is 50 % partner in the Barak 8 program and we only went into partnership to gain the technology.

When will India learn to stop begging and start investing in our own future. ? You guess is as good as mine.

 

[Sergi]

After the Russians screwed us over the Viki price escalation, Indian defense and MoD has now acquired a reputation of being world class dunce.

Every nation is now blackmailing us for more money or denying us Technology Transfer. Russia for PakFa, France for Rafale, Israel for Barak 8.

Ironically India is 50 % partner in the Barak 8 program and we only went into partnership to gain the technology.

When will India learn to stop begging and start investing in our own future. ? You guess is as good as mine.

Can you give me any link for problems in TOT of Barak-8 ???
Thanks in advance

 

[Manvantaratruti]

Can you give me any link for problems in TOT of Barak-8 ???
Thanks in advance

It is just there in the post I quoted. Did you not see it ?

 

[Sergi]

It is just there in the post I quoted. Did you not see it ?

Ok. Found it.

 

[Manvantaratruti]

Yes I see that poster write it but he isnt online. And you too seem pretty convincing I though you too are aware of that. I didn't know you were just following his lead. He may be wrong. ok I will ask him

@FalconsForPeace : Can you give me some link on problems in TOT for Barak-8 ? Thanks in advance

Listen dude. That guy has just copy pasted the article. The link is at the bottom of the article.

I have posted the relevant piece of the article and commented on it. Yikes.

 

[Sergi]

Listen dude. That guy has just copy pasted the article. The link is at the bottom of the article.

I have posted the relevant piece of the article and commented on it. Yikes.

Got it. You cropped the part from article.

 

[sancho]

After the Russians screwed us over the Viki price escalation, Indian defense and MoD has now acquired a reputation of being world class dunce.

Every nation is now blackmailing us for more money or denying us Technology Transfer. Russia for PakFa, France for Rafale, Israel for Barak 8.

Ironically India is 50 % partner in the Barak 8 program and we only went into partnership to gain the technology.

When will India learn to stop begging and start investing in our own future. ? You guess is as good as mine.

It's one thing to be a 50% partner by ownership, but a whole different point to be a 50% partner in development! So as long as we don't impove our base R&D and industrial capability, we will always be the weaker part of such developments, that's why we need both, indigenous developments at the low end (long term perspective for the improvement of the industry) + partnerships at the high end (short to mid term developments, to increase our defence capabilities).

 

[Manvantaratruti]

It's one thing to be a 50% partner by ownership, but a whole different point to be a 50% partner in development! So as long as we don't impove our base R&D and industrial capability, we will always be the weaker part of such developments, that's why we need both, indigenous developments at the low end (long term perspective for the improvement of the industry) + partnerships at the high end (short to mid term developments, to increase our defence capabilities).

You are stating the obvious. However there is something called a contract and others are expected to honor it, irrespective of how strong or weak our development is.

If we are unable or too weak to enforce any contract, everybody is going to walk all over us.

In Barak 8 we were 50% development partners with agreement to transfer our respective technology to the other. This is what the Israelis are backing out from. The reason ? because they know they can get away with it. The Russians showed them how.

 

[Yeti]

Needs to be a thread on just pics of her

 

[Gessler]

MiG-29Ks before receiving IN paint scheme and insignia.