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Red flag 2008.NATO countries aren't that good in WVR combat ...
in Anatolian eagle PAF scored against RAF typhoons with F16 block 15 in WVRAAM with Zero loss .
here was the original comment of the PAF pilot at that time
NATO pilots are not that proficient in close-in air-to-air combat. They are trained for BVR [Beyond Visual Range] engagements and their tactics are based on BVR engagements. These were close-in air combat exercises and we had the upper hand because close-in air combat is drilled into every PAF pilot and this is something we are very good at.
awesome!I am not trolling its your here we are discussing Sukhoi 30MKI and your are discussing PAF fighter jets.
Cope-india 2004 and 2005Red flag 2008.
Beauties !!!
Off-course its Just Training Exercise Real Battle Situation have additional Factors & SituationsTake away the Trolling GET TO THE NITTY GRITTY.
Su30mki is a beast of a fighter
TVC and pesa radars with IRST give su30mki world class edge in combat and is not a circus trick.
The IAF is world class organisation capable of DACT with the best air forces in the world thousands of miles away.
All we hear is SU30MKI has big RCS so this that and the other.
The Truth is it is a beast of an opponent and in good hands will cause immense damage.
especially a fleet of 270 planes
PS I DONT BUY CRAP THAT SU30MKI WON 12-0
TYPHOON IS THE EQUAL OF THE MKI
Yes in WVR Engagements Scoreline is 12-0 As Clearly Stated.Clearly MkI IRST & TVC given it a Good Advantage over Euro-fighterPS I DONT BUY CRAP THAT SU30MKI WON 12-0
Awesome Clicks Man
son we r talking abt F16A/Bs vs EF2000s. Anyways its conformed they were not red flag but anatolya exercises in 2010 or 2012.Cope-india 2004 and 2005
lol i remember our basic F16s A/B had also beaten the EF2000s of RAF and KSA's AF in constant WVR engagements with 3;0 margin each. One was in 2008 red flag and other in latest exercises with saudis in Taif few years back.
@Windjammer
RAF and EF 2000 has a poor standard it seems.
Red flag 2008.
awesome!
1) su 34 for is not a slugush,ys its having poor thrust weigt ratio.
3)world know much about EW suit of su34,but I am sure that it's not bad one.
4)su 34 is also a fighter bomber capable of doing above mentioned tasks,also its having monstrous fuel capacity and rang,payaload capacity compared to rafale.But rafi costs 3 times more than that of su34.
5) agreed rafale have advantage, but su34 also not bad.its a fighter bomber capable of engaging aerial targets,capable of carrying almost all flanker compatible A to A missiles.
6) simply not enough for China.if u want to target Chinese mainland, we need a fighter bomber capable enough to fly over tibeten plateau,and deliver ordinance and fly back safely to India .only su 34 is having that capability.For Pakistan and PAF our mig 29 and su30 is more 'than enough. We don't need rafale to tackle our western enemy.
Offcourse neither IAF or RAF will accept or deny what media is out with.
It was an exercise : opponents, scenario, positions, range predetermined.
RAF spokesman offered a polite rebuttal to the claims in the Indian press, saying:
"Our analysis does not match what has been reported, RAF pilots and the Typhoon performed well throughout the exercise, with and against the Indian Air Force."
Asked about the performance of IAF pilots in these Large Force Engagements, Group Captain Srivastav told NDTV his pilots performed "fairly well" though "quantifying [the results] is difficult".
rafale is for major focus on ground operations,and su 30 is for air superiority with limited ground operations