Indradhanush 2015

[Capt.Popeye]

You are realy dumb aren't you. No one here is is claiming simulated training missions are indicators of any superiority of platforms or tactics in a pre-defined engagment scenario.

The question is where is your reference for the engagement results you presented. you have not given a single credible source to backup your claim...

So it is quite safe to say that you being as false flag pakistani, just butt hurt about the results of the training exercises and making up these claims...

please prove it otherwise....and most likely you will run out of mental space and comeback with your ridiculous vedic rants.

@MilSpec; you seem to be indulging in a waste of breath (and bandwidth too), I came upon @Orangzaib quite early on in this forum.... in a discussion on the Pak-FA/FGFA/T-50 wherein he claimed that he (and some colleague) of his could assess weld quality visually at a hundred paces and guff like that.
I had occasion to discuss that sort of claim with erstwhile colleagues in LRQA and ABS Inspection Services, we had a belly-laugh.... though one said that he was gonna "head-hunt" such talents for his outfit. Just leave Orangzaib alone, he makes more sense; when he stands up for "the Stuffed Lion of Raiwand" against "the Starched Khakis of Pindi" on other threads on PDF.

Now in all the verbiage that has been turned out on this topic here; Vijainder Thakur seemed to have made the most sense when he explained the nuances that should be read into such Exercises and what they entail; along-side some factual information. All said and done, the Exercises are just that..... a kind of jousting, shadow-boxing and ballet dancing in the skies. Hardly warfare as we would like it to be.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Last Samuri

Do you understand Hindi
Then watch this

From 6:00 Onwards The IAF official says this

" This is an Air dominance aircraft ; We just announce to the enemy
that we are getting Air borne

This is Our airspace now

If you can dare then come in this airspace where we are flying "

 

[MilSpec]

@MilSpec; you seem to be indulging in a waste of breath (and bandwidth too), I came upon @Orangzaib quite early on in this forum.... in a discussion on the Pak-FA/FGFA/T-50 wherein he claimed that he (and some colleague) of his could assess weld quality visually at a hundred paces and guff like that.
I had occasion to discuss that sort of claim with erstwhile colleagues in LRQA and ABS Inspection Services, we had a belly-laugh.... though one said that he was gonna "head-hunt" such talents for his outfit. Just leave Orangzaib alone, he makes more sense; when he stands up for "the Stuffed Lion of Raiwand" against "the Starched Khakis of Pindi" on other threads on PDF.

Now in all the verbiage that has been turned out on this topic here; Vijainder Thakur seemed to have made the most sense when he explained the nuances that should be read into such Exercises and what they entail; along-side some factual information. All said and done, the Exercises are just that..... a kind of jousting, shadow-boxing and ballet dancing in the skies. Hardly warfare as we would like it to be.

Dada,
I very well know the discussion you are referring to where this chap was claiming to asses quality of composites from visual inspection alike... I have taken some interest in this one. ever played whack-a-mole?

 

[Abingdonboy]

 

[Abingdonboy]

 

[Capt.Popeye]

On a personal note; its great to see a "Gooney-Bird" aka Dakota aloft in this picture. Its sporting D-Day markings. Great to see it airworthy even now. Dakotas, Packets, Libs and Super-Connies were piston-engined aircraft that flew over our heads as kids, with a roar that could be heard for miles around.

 

[Abingdonboy]

On a personal note; its great to see a "Gooney-Bird" aka Dakota aloft in this picture. Its sporting D-Day markings. Great to see it airworthy even now. Dakotas, Packets, Libs and Super-Connies were piston-engined aircraft that flew over our heads as kids, with a roar that could be heard for miles around.

Then I guess you'll appreciate this sir:

Recently inducted into the IAF's "historic flight".

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Then I guess you'll appreciate this sir:

Recently inducted into the IAF's "historic flight".

Is this one air-worthy ?? last one that I saw in pics was Dakota that a classmate/course-mate of mine handed over to the BAF at Palam.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Is this one air-worthy ?? last one that I saw in pics was Dakota that a classmate/course-mate of mine handed over to the BAF at Palam.

Absolutely! This was recently restored and delivered (this year) to the IAF's historic flight to join the Tiger Moth, part of their remit is to conduct public air displays.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Absolutely! This was recently restored and delivered (this year) to the IAF's historic flight to join the Tiger Moth, part of their remit is to conduct public air displays.

That is good. Waiting to see an Auster, Lysander and Spit make it that Flight. Later they could work on a Vampire, Hunter and Gnat. While the French could help with an Ouragan/Toofani.

 

[ayesha.a]

Battle of boya my azz... Even C-130s were use for BOMBING your behinds to Kingdom come ... Solo pilots were making sonic booms and bombing your cities.. pilots like the "8 pass Charlie" the lone Canbera bomber who used t make 8 BOMBING runs every day solo missions..

So? The IAF also innovatively modified An-12s impromptu to convert them into bombers, and delivered tonnes of ordnance using them.

..:: India Strategic ::. IAF: IAF’s Innovative use of Transporters as Heavy Bombers

Your BS about Kargil is shitty to say the least considering there was no cross border attacks on Pak side ... The last time you tried your "mighty" pilots got a lock on this behinds and eacortedI to safety so they didn't fall on our territory and killing bikers ... Proved to be right ...

So many lies in that small post:

1) The IAF did actually cross the border on several occasions. There is a famous interview of your war hero Cecil Chaudhri, about what transpired when Indian Mig-29s crossed into Pakistan on a fighter escort mission for Jaguars - your F-16s were scrambled to intercept them, but fled in haste due to the Mig's superior BVR capabilities.

MiGs over Kargil: How the Fulcrum buzzed the Falcons
MiGs over Kargil: How the Fulcrum buzzed the Falcons [Archive] - Israel Military Forum
MiGs over Kargil: How the Fulcrum buzzed the Falcons | Russia & India Report

As I mentioned in my post, your pilots made excuses about not being BVR capable, when the IAF's jockeys destroyed your ammunition dumps and bunkers.

2) Even if you are right, that there were no cross border attacks onto Pakistan - how does that in any way excuse your air force being MIA? Your ground forces - comprising your armymen in mufti, and your "mujahids" - crossed into India and started the war. But your air force did not assist them, did not provide CAS, did nothing when they were methodically bombed out of existence by our Mirages and Migs. If your air force cannot do anything in a war that your country started, then it is a useless air force, good for nothing. As simple as that.

Solo pilots were making sonic booms and bombing your cities.. pilots like the "8 pass Charlie" the lone Canbera bomber who used t make 8 BOMBING runs every day solo missions..

Oh really? Could you provide links for that claim, that PAF was creating sonic booms on our cities, with our forces being helpless to stop them? AFAIK, only one side has been in a position to do that, and that is the IAF with their mig-25s. They would routinely make sonic booms at mach 3 over Islamabad, just to show you that they can. Pakistan had no means of intercepting or countering the foxbats, all they could do was grind their teeth in frustration.

MiG-25 Foxbat
Mig 25 Sonic Boom Over Islamabad - Air Force Forum - Pakistani Defence Forum
Faster, higher and out of reach,A story of IAF's MiG-25 Foxbat Source: ht
The Telegraph - Calcutta : Frontpage

 

[Windjammer]

Again A stupid Reaction Bother to Read Full Interview before Posting Half quote Lines
The TalK is here about In subsequent Large Force Exercises (LFE) which featured combined Eurofighter Typhoon and Su-30 formations, the IAF jets were somewhat less successful but consistently held an edge over the Typhoon.

Asked about the performance of IAF pilots in these Large Force Engagements, Group Captain Srivastav told NDTV his pilots performed "fairly well" though "quantifying [the results] is difficult".

NDTV Article Clearly States Only Insecure Blind Pakistanis Posters Who don't See It

In some of the most intense international air combat exercises ever featuring the Indian Air Force, IAF pilots flying Sukhoi Su-30 MKI fighters had a resounding 12-0 scoreline in their favour against Royal Air Force Typhoon jets in Within Visual Range (WVR) dogfighting operations.


Desperation and Hate to Show IAF wrong of Some Fanboys Forcing them to Avoid Basic Analytical Facts

Posting in big colourful fonts doesn't exactly make your post or claims any more credible.
Unlike some internet warriors, cherry picking and desperate to salvage their tiny ego, regardless on the credibility of the source, some of us had the privilege to read first hand comments given to an aviation journalist soon after the conclusion of the exercise. There were no claims of beating the Typhoons in either WVR or BVR scenarios. In fact a clean SU-30s had to engage it's TVC to maintain turns with Typhoons carrying extra weight and drag with drop tanks. All the chest thumping and the score figures were created after landing in India.
So use your energy to convince your own kind as it's you who is desperate to prove something. Since it doesn't involve PAF, i don't give two monkeys if RAF won or lost, however sine you seem desperate to prove something by opening multiple threads on the same topic, all linked to some Indian source, here's something to burst the bubble and prove credibility of your sources.


06 Aug 2015, 12:31

A few discrepancies have been picked up in that report.

Mainly over the reliability of the Sukhois..... which they claim was perfect. "The IAF also encountered no serviceability issues with any of its participating jets"

I spent 3 days photographing them from the fence and on one occasion a Sukhoi didn't launch because of technical failure (I have an airband scanner and the ground abort was very clear).

It's been reported on two further occasions (not witnessed by me), a Sukhoi had to abort and RTB due to technical failure.

That immediately puts the rest of the article in question.

Andy
p.s. Just to prove I was there, here are my shots.... https://www.flickr.com/photos/evansavio ... 4022158093

@Oscar @Horus

 

[NKVD]

Posting in big colourful fonts doesn't exactly make your post or claims any more credible.
Unlike some internet warriors, cherry picking and desperate to salvage their tiny ego, regardless on the credibility of the source, some of us had the privilege to read first hand comments given to an aviation journalist soon after the conclusion of the exercise. There were no claims of beating the Typhoons in either WVR or BVR scenarios. In fact a clean SU-30s had to engage it's TVC to maintain turns with Typhoons carrying extra weight and drag with drop tanks. All the chest thumping and the score figures were created after landing in India.
So use your energy to convince your own kind as it's you who is desperate to prove something. Since it doesn't involve PAF, i don't give two monkeys if RAF won or lost, however sine you seem desperate to prove something by opening multiple threads on the same topic, all linked to some Indian source, here's something to burst the bubble and prove credibility of your sources.


06 Aug 2015, 12:31

A few discrepancies have been picked up in that report.

Mainly over the reliability of the Sukhois..... which they claim was perfect. "The IAF also encountered no serviceability issues with any of its participating jets"

I spent 3 days photographing them from the fence and on one occasion a Sukhoi didn't launch because of technical failure (I have an airband scanner and the ground abort was very clear).

It's been reported on two further occasions (not witnessed by me), a Sukhoi had to abort and RTB due to technical failure.

That immediately puts the rest of the article in question.

Andy
p.s. Just to prove I was there, here are my shots.... https://www.flickr.com/photos/evansavio ... 4022158093

@Oscar @Horus

Any Here is Great Windjammer with His Anonymous Source This Time A Flickr Source

Who is this Andrew Evans What Authenticity of his claims against Professtional IAF Pilots is he official spokesperson for RAF

And you call it Authenticated Source you Deluding yourself Minute by minute by your Absurd claims and Making PDF Standard Down

@MilSpec why this Guy is so insecure And Obsessed with Indian threads

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

So? The IAF also innovatively modified An-12s impromptu to convert them into bombers, and delivered tonnes of ordnance using them.

..:: India Strategic ::. IAF: IAF’s Innovative use of Transporters as Heavy Bombers

so what are you going to do with a 60 year old "impromptu" modified or converted bomber? bombers themselves are useful when you actually gain air superiority over an enemy .. Which your IAF never has?

So many lies in that small post:

Says the one making shitty claims?? And getting owned every now and than...

1) The IAF did actually cross the border on several occasions. There is a famous interview of your war hero Cecil Chaudhri, about what transpired when Indian Mig-29s crossed into Pakistan on a fighter escort mission for Jaguars - your F-16s were scrambled to intercept them, but fled in haste due to the Mig's superior BVR capabilities.

MiGs over Kargil: How the Fulcrum buzzed the Falcons
MiGs over Kargil: How the Fulcrum buzzed the Falcons [Archive] - Israel Military Forum
MiGs over Kargil: How the Fulcrum buzzed the Falcons | Russia & India Report

As I mentioned in my post, your pilots made excuses about not being BVR capable, when the IAF's jockeys destroyed your ammunition dumps and bunkers.

Cecil Choudhry shot your jets to shit decades back... And he retired much before 99... ! Also why don't you post a source???

Your shitty sources about "BOMBING ammo dumps" are from shitty forums and no good indian media ? Great baby..

2) Even if you are right, that there were no cross border attacks onto Pakistan - how does that in any way excuse your air force being MIA? Your ground forces - comprising your armymen in mufti, and your "mujahids" - crossed into India and started the war. But your air force did not assist them, did not provide CAS, did nothing when they were methodically bombed out of existence by our Mirages and Migs. If your air force cannot do anything in a war that your country started, then it is a useless air force, good for nothing. As simple as that

So your whole damn theory counts on an skirmish on your own "soil" and PAF not having BVRs in 99? Amusing... If PAF.. was "useless" than your airfirce and your Army are patheric... Shit combat record,world record for crashing,over 1800 dying without Pak firing a single bulley in 2003... Wife swapping,fratricide trend etc etc.

Oh really? Could you provide links for that claim, that PAF was creating sonic booms on our cities, with our forces being helpless to stop them? AFAIK, only one side has been in a position to do that, and that is the IAF with their mig-25s. They would routinely make sonic booms at mach 3 over Islamabad, just to show you that they can. Pakistan had no means of intercepting or countering the foxbats, all they could do was grind their teeth in frustration.

MiG-25 Foxbat
Mig 25 Sonic Boom Over Islamabad - Air Force Forum - Pakistani Defence Forum
Faster, higher and out of reach,A story of IAF's MiG-25 Foxbat Source: ht
The Telegraph - Calcutta : Frontpage

Yes I do.., Do you think than only mig-25s can do "sonic booms" .,Are you really that retarded?

PAKISTAN AIR FORCE - A SYMBOL OF PRIDE FOR THE NATION: Sonic Boom over Amritsar

STARFIGHTER in the PAF battle fleet

8-Pass Charlie | Page 2

Now do you want to get insulted further with iaf combat record against PAF? PAF "fleeing" in 71 n your retarded accusations?

 

[Windjammer]

Any Here is Great Windjammer with His Anonymous Source This Time A Flickr Source

Who is this Andrew Evans What Authenticity of his claims against Professtional IAF Pilots is he official spokesperson for RAF

And you call it Authenticated Source you Deluding yourself Minute by minute by your Absurd claims and Making PDF Standard Down

@MilSpec why this Guy is so insecure And Obsessed with Indian threads

Try to stand up your self rather than calling cavalry just to digress. it's you who is prone to posting an article a day to salvage some thing out....poor show mate.
What did the so called professional Pilot said.

Asked about the performance of IAF pilots in these Large Force Engagements, Group Captain Srivastav told NDTV his pilots performed "fairly well" though "quantifying [the results] is difficult"...!!!

Now if they won 12-0, surely that wouldn't be difficult to quantify? Especially when it already is quantified huh?