Indradhanush 2015

[Manas]

Vishnu Som ,
ND TV journalist who wrote the first article on the Typhoon Vs Su-30MKI


Hi folks ... Just so everyone is clear here ... I stand by my article 100 % ... I accept that there are sensitivities and yes, I was able to access more on-the-record information than many in the UK or perhaps even in some quarters of the IAF would have liked - but the information stands. This isn't to suggest that the Typhoon is not a great weapon. In a real combat situation, its AESA-Meteor combo may have been superior to what the MKI has presently certainly in some flight regimes ... as always, it all boils down to the skill of fighter-controllers, the pilots and of course the platform.

Also ... just so that everyone is clear, the scenarios were mutually decided ... its not as if the IAF designed the engagement scenarios all by itself. The people I spoke to are not lying.

 

[temp1994]

I've already provided you with what I had and that's pretty authentic based on my sources.

Your source did not had even a single word supporting your "exercise results" which were very specific.

As you have posted:

Here are the ACTUAL details.IAF won firs two WVR's as the SU-30's were able to use Cobra and TVC to get behind the EFT's. The other two times, the SU's lost as the EFT's first fired WVR missiles, then allowed the SU's to use TVC and then re-acquired them at recovery and bam, it was a done deal.

Within larger formations (2 vs. 4, 4 vs. 4), the results were mixed. With two contested kills (locks obtained simultaneously in combat formation so its hard to tell who'd have been hit first and obviously, would lose the lock on the next jet). So if you minus the contested kills, SU's were over EFT"s by one kill. That's it.

and this

2) Please provide a REAL proof, not Indian media hyped up articles quoting the Group Captain........ the results were NOT what you are telling the world. Over all, the TOTAL score was SU-30's 5, EFT's 5. Two contested battles, one was nullified due to both jets firing at two jets and the computer didn't score it due to the time. The other contested kill, if it was awarded to SU-30 as it should've, you'd have 6 SU wins and 5 EFT wins and 1 contested. That's a total of 12. There is NO 12-0, that's a flat out lie and inaccurate.

So again where is source/proof of your "imaginary results". You made a claim, you back it up. Where is the source of your numbers?

Providing proof for an assertions you make is basic and has no relation to age of person who is demanding that proof. I think you have enough neurons left in your brain to understand it.


And whether results in simulated exercise mean anything or not is incidental to the argument. If you cannot provide valid source for your claim, it means that you have no integrity and are a shameless lair.

 

[Viper0011.]

Vishnu Som ,
ND TV journalist who wrote the first article on the Typhoon Vs Su-30MKI


Hi folks ... Just so everyone is clear here ... I stand by my article 100 % ... I accept that there are sensitivities and yes, I was able to access more on-the-record information than many in the UK or perhaps even in some quarters of the IAF would have liked - but the information stands. This isn't to suggest that the Typhoon is not a great weapon. In a real combat situation, its AESA-Meteor combo may have been superior to what the MKI has presently certainly in some flight regimes ... as always, it all boils down to the skill of fighter-controllers, the pilots and of course the platform.

Also ... just so that everyone is clear, the scenarios were mutually decided ... its not as if the IAF designed the engagement scenarios all by itself. The people I spoke to are not lying.

So what's he saying? The pilots in the SU-30's took their 9 MM and locked on the EFT's as ALL other electronics were shut down?? And that the SU pilots are good sharp shooters??? .

Again, the other side had a different version that I KNOW of. So I am sorry, you can sue the RAF and let me know if you get something out of them. Till then, I know my sources and they are a LOT more credible.

 

[Manas]

So what's he saying? The pilots in the SU-30's took their 9 MM and locked on the EFT's as ALL other electronics were shut down?? And that the SU pilots are good sharp shooters??? .

Again, the other side had a different version that I KNOW of. So I am sorry, you can sue the RAF and let me know if you get something out of them. Till then, I know my sources and they are a LOT more credible.

Don't go full retard . Read again what he said :

" Also ... just so that everyone is clear, the scenarios were mutually decided ... its not as if the IAF designed the engagement scenarios all by itself. The people I spoke to are not lying. "

 

[MilSpec]

So what's he saying? The pilots in the SU-30's took their 9 MM and locked on the EFT's as ALL other electronics were shut down?? And that the SU pilots are good sharp shooters??? .

Again, the other side had a different version that I KNOW of. So I am sorry, you can sue the RAF and let me know if you get something out of them. Till then, I know my sources and they are a LOT more credible.

You are realy dumb aren't you. No one here is is claiming simulated training missions are indicators of any superiority of platforms or tactics in a pre-defined engagment scenario.

The question is where is your reference for the engagement results you presented. you have not given a single credible source to backup your claim...

So it is quite safe to say that you being as false flag pakistani, just butt hurt about the results of the training exercises and making up these claims...

please prove it otherwise....and most likely you will run out of mental space and comeback with your ridiculous vedic rants.

 

[Viper0011.]

[QUOTE="temp1994, post: 7489566, member: 163020" So again where is source/proof of your "imaginary results". You made a claim, you back it up. Where is the source of your numbers?.[/QUOTE]

The proof is in the Vedic history. Take one of the Ferari's that goes to the moon, fill the gas tank up with water, go to the moon on RAF's base called "Moon-Fool" and stop at the officer's quarter number 46.

Ring the door bell, your code name is Vedas-TVC. Read the code to the officer and he'll give you a paper. Bring it back to the Earth, put it under the moon light upon your return at night. Some blue writing will appear, that big piece of paper will turn into an LCD and will show you recorded encounters of these jets.

Upon completion, touch the screen and it'll turn back into a paper. You can keep that paper in your bank locker and use it whenever you want to see a video of these simulated combats without weapons. And be happy with scores of your choice. May be you can invent a video game when you come back to 2015 from the Vedic times!!!

Please return the flying Ferari before coming back to 2015. They don't have mechanics for those ancient cars no more!!!

 

[MilSpec]

exactly as predicted just a post before.... lmao... what a freakin looser

 

[Viper0011.]

You are realy dumb aren't you. No one here is is claiming simulated training missions are indicators of any superiority of platforms or tactics in a pre-defined engagment scenario.

So it is quite safe to say that you being as false flag pakistani are just butt hurt about the results of the training exercises and making up these claims....

This is actually becoming so stupid and I am loving it. So you don't have a degree from Harvard or MIT but you want to get paid like them.....sorry, no job for you unless I see your qualifications.

And no, I am very dumb. All the Wisdom was given to Indians before I got there. So what I did instead is, I hired those "SMART Indians". And they work for me. So its ALL good!!!!

One one had, you are telling me that I am dumb and you understand that simulated training missions are not representing anyone's superiority. In the very next line, you are then saying that I am but hurt because of the results (meaning simulated training is real, which is against your first sentence???)

So what's your stance? Simulated training is REAL or NO???? I've already disclosed what I wanted to. If you don't want to listen or pay attention, that's fine. You are speaking from both sides of your mouth. How about you first understand what you want to debate on and then I can help you? How about your continue to study for your class as you need to get that Visa sponsored. When you graduate and actually get a job, mature up, then we can discuss these big issues. I don't think you have the mental capacity to debate (even after you apparently got all the SMARTNESS). Sorry, you aren't really smart like the guys I have hired working for me. They are truly smart and sharp!

Don't go full retard . Read again what he said :

" Also ... just so that everyone is clear, the scenarios were mutually decided ... its not as if the IAF designed the engagement scenarios all by itself. The people I spoke to are not lying. "

No one said the people he spoke to were lying. You need to tell your Indian buddies on how to debate nicely and by being civil. All I said is my information and the RAF's statements which are against the Indian sentiment of 12-0 (there was NOTHING like 12-0). So you have an Indian journalist who, for the domestic audience addd some spics (Indian media is known for doing that to cause sensation).

Then you have the more mature and professional British air force who don't talk about these things and keep it professional. They are saying an entirely different story with different numbers. I'll believe those guys. Its clear that the Indian journalism is very yellow and you know it too. Thread should now be closed.

@Horus @Jango @Oscar : this thread should be closed. Its ran out of effective content and its a waste of disk space and bandwidth. Death of another thread by forceful use of "Indian media is always right". I hope the Indian members can debate with more maturity.

 

[temp1994]

The proof is in the Vedic history. Take one of the Ferari's that goes to the moon, fill the gas tank up with water, go to the moon on RAF's base called "Moon-Fool" and stop at the officer's quarter number 46.

Ring the door bell, your code name is Vedas-TVC. Read the code to the officer and he'll give you a paper. Bring it back to the Earth, put it under the moon light upon your return at night. Some blue writing will appear, that big piece of paper will turn into an LCD and will show you recorded encounters of these jets.

Upon completion, touch the screen and it'll turn back into a paper. You can keep that paper in your bank locker and use it whenever you want to see a video of these simulated combats without weapons. And be happy with scores of your choice. May be you can invent a video game when you come back to 2015 from the Vedic times!!!

Please return the flying Ferari before coming back to 2015. They don't have mechanics for those ancient cars no more!!!

@gambit @C130 @AMDR @Peter C @LeveragedBuyout @F-22Raptor @oldman

Is this man a false flagger, or has visceral hatred for Hindus gone mainstream in USA?

 

[MilSpec]

This is actually becoming so stupid and I am loving it. So you don't have a degree from Harvard or MIT but you want to get paid like them.....sorry, no job for you unless I see your qualifications.

And no, I am very dumb. All the Wisdom was given to Indians before I got there. So what I did instead is, I hired those "SMART Indians". And they work for me. So its ALL good!!!!

One one had, you are telling me that I am dumb and you understand that simulated training missions are not representing anyone's superiority. In the very next line, you are then saying that I am but hurt because of the results (meaning simulated training is real, which is against your first sentence???)

So what's your stance? Simulated training is REAL or NO???? I've already disclosed what I wanted to. If you don't want to listen or pay attention, that's fine. You are speaking from both sides of your mouth. How about you first understand what you want to debate on and then I can help you? How about your continue to study for your class as you need to get that Visa sponsored. When you graduate and actually get a job, mature up, then we can discuss these big issues. I don't think you have the mental capacity to debate (even after you apparently got all the SMARTNESS). Sorry, you aren't really smart like the guys I have hired working for me. They are truly smart and sharp!

you send me your contact details, I will call you tomorrow...and give you all my credentials...... and we can finish this false flag thing too...

I do maintain you are dumb, result of any exercise are tangible but limited to the constraints of the engagement scenario... now you don't like those result being false flag troll....

You posted some imaginary results. back up those claims intead of all this meaningless barking...

and again you dummy, US residents do not need visas, but I doubt you can comprehend that....

Doesn't it get frustrating for you, getting kicked in the teeth in every thread...

 

[NKVD]

Then you have the more mature and professional British air force who don't talk about these things and keep it professional. They are saying an entirely different story with different numbers. I'll believe those guys. Its clear that the Indian journalism is very yellow and you know it too. Thread should now be closed.

Please name one of the RAF Professional source Backing up your Claim

@Horus @Jango @Oscar : this thread should be closed. Its ran out of effective content and its a waste of the disk space and bandwidth. Death of another thread by forceful use of "Indian media is always right".

Not your Call you are no Mod

 

[MilSpec]

Please name one of the RAF Professional source Backing up your Claim

Reference is mama ke phupha ki chachi ke husband ke duur ke rishtedaar RAF me jhadoo lagate hain....

 

[C130]

@gambit @C130 @AMDR @Peter C @LeveragedBuyout @F-22Raptor @oldman

Is this man a false flagger, or has visceral hatred for Hindus gone mainstream in USA?

mainstream hmm, no I think we are pretty liberal nowadays. such hate doesn't exist in the mainstream, behind closed doors maybe.

 

[banvanaxl]

Sympathize on your hare brained stupidity.

STFU false flagger. Modi is gonna kick the likes of you to talibinistan where you can blow yourself up with impunity. Don't you effing dare hide behind my flag.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

@gambit @C130 @AMDR @Peter C @LeveragedBuyout @F-22Raptor @oldman

Is this man a false flagger, or has visceral hatred for Hindus gone mainstream in USA?

The most 99% of people know about Hinduism is that it involves a bindi on your forehead and vegetarianism. Other than that it's all a complete blank. So it's impossible to hate something you know completely nothing about. You may as well ask the typical person in America/India about Shintoism...you'd get the same clueless look as a response.