Indonesian Navy wants to prolong the operating life of its 6 Van Speijk class Frigates

[Indos]

Indonesian state owned Shipbuilder (PT PAL) has currently been evaluating the overhauls of that frigates.

The news is in Indonesian, Antara News Agency (24 June, 2015)
Peremajaan fregat kelas Van Speijk mendesak - ANTARA News

Current Modernization

1. 4 of the frigates radar has been modernized by Indonesian firm ( PT Infra RCS) with low-probability-of-intercept (LPI) naval radars.

2. In term of weapon, one of them can launch Yakhoon anti ship missile now, up grade conducted by PT PAL

3. Indonesian state owned electronic firm ( PT LEN ) has installed its Combat Management System (CMS) to change the old ones. The CMS, known as the Mandhala, was installed on three Ahmad Yani (Van Speijk)-class guided-missile frigates: KRI Ahmad Yani (351), KRI Abdul Halim Perdanakusuma (355), and KRI Yos Sudarso (353). Indodefence 2014: PT Len expands use of indigenous CMS across TNI-AL fleet - IHS Jane's 360

Indonesian Van Speijk Class launching Yakhoon Missile


Beside plan to overhaul those old frigate, Indonesian shipbuilder PT PAL has been currently working to build two biggest Sigma Class vessel (Frigates) with cooperation with Damen Shipyard. First frigate is planed to finish in the beginning of 2017 (January).

 

[Indos]

Beside using Yakhon missile, the rest of Indonesian Van Speijk Class anti ship missile has been upgraded into C-802 SSM (China).

Current Armament

• 1 x OTO-Melara 76mm
• 2 x twin Simbad SAM (4 missiles)
• 4 x C-802 SSM
• 2 x triple Mk 32 torpedo launchers

C-802 launch at KRI Yos Sudarso ( Van Speijk/ Ahmad Yani Class)

 

[Bhayangkara]

Indonesian state owned Shipbuilder (PT PAL) has currently been evaluating the overhauls of that frigates.

The news is in Indonesian, Antara News Agency (24 June, 2015)
Peremajaan fregat kelas Van Speijk mendesak - ANTARA News

Current Modernization

1. 4 of the frigates radar has been modernized by Indonesian firm ( PT Infra RCS) with low-probability-of-intercept (LPI) naval radars.

2. In term of weapon, one of them can launch Yakhoon anti ship missile now, up grade conducted by PT PAL

3. Indonesian state owned electronic firm ( PT LEN ) has installed its Combat Management System (CMS) to change the old ones. The CMS, known as the Mandhala, was installed on three Ahmad Yani (Van Speijk)-class guided-missile frigates: KRI Ahmad Yani (351), KRI Abdul Halim Perdanakusuma (355), and KRI Yos Sudarso (353). Indodefence 2014: PT Len expands use of indigenous CMS across TNI-AL fleet - IHS Jane's 360

Indonesian Van Speijk Class launching Yakhoon Missile


Beside plan to overhaul those old frigate, Indonesian shipbuilder PT PAL has been currently working to build two biggest Sigma Class vessel (Frigates) with cooperation with Damen Shipyard. First frigate is planed to finish in the beginning of 2017 (January).

Although this is part of the navy short-term plan, hopefully in next five years our MoD able to determine about the successor, because this ships is one of the priorities that need immediate replacement..

 

[Nike]

peremajaan armada Van Speijk itu maksudnya penggantian kapal, bukan overhaul dan modernization

 

[William Hung]

Indonesian state owned Shipbuilder (PT PAL) has currently been evaluating the overhauls of that frigates.

The news is in Indonesian, Antara News Agency (24 June, 2015)
Peremajaan fregat kelas Van Speijk mendesak - ANTARA News

Current Modernization

1. 4 of the frigates radar has been modernized by Indonesian firm ( PT Infra RCS) with low-probability-of-intercept (LPI) naval radars.

2. In term of weapon, one of them can launch Yakhoon anti ship missile now, up grade conducted by PT PAL

3. Indonesian state owned electronic firm ( PT LEN ) has installed its Combat Management System (CMS) to change the old ones. The CMS, known as the Mandhala, was installed on three Ahmad Yani (Van Speijk)-class guided-missile frigates: KRI Ahmad Yani (351), KRI Abdul Halim Perdanakusuma (355), and KRI Yos Sudarso (353). Indodefence 2014: PT Len expands use of indigenous CMS across TNI-AL fleet - IHS Jane's 360

Indonesian Van Speijk Class launching Yakhoon Missile


Beside plan to overhaul those old frigate, Indonesian shipbuilder PT PAL has been currently working to build two biggest Sigma Class vessel (Frigates) with cooperation with Damen Shipyard. First frigate is planed to finish in the beginning of 2017 (January).

Do you know what the total cost was to upgrade it to use the Yakhont? (i.e. the total cost including system integration with the radars, cms, the VLS, etc.)

Any update pics of the current Sigma frigates under construction?

Thanks.

 

[cnleio]

Beside using Yakhon missile, the rest of Indonesian Van Speijk Class anti ship missile has been upgraded into C-802 SSM (China).

Current Armament

• 1 x OTO-Melara 76mm
• 2 x twin Simbad SAM (4 missiles)
• 4 x C-802 SSM
• 2 x triple Mk 32 torpedo launchers

C-802 launch at KRI Yos Sudarso ( Van Speijk/ Ahmad Yani Class)

I think Indonesia should consider to import new stealth FFG like 054A from China, just we r offering new designed stealth FFG with 32x VLS units to international weapon market.

 

[Bhayangkara]

peremajaan armada Van Speijk itu maksudnya penggantian kapal, bukan overhaul dan modernization

I see, thanks for the correction ma'am.. It seems there's misread here. The article just mentioned about the plan to accelerate the rejuvenation of the Van Speijk class frigate that was too old to be operated. So I think this is a good news for the navy, moreover after there were approval from the parliament regarding to the incrased budget to support this program. So the decision now is in the government hands..

 

[Bhayangkara]

Do you know what the total cost was to upgrade it to use the Yakhont? (i.e. the total cost including system integration with the radars, cms, the VLS, etc.)..

Unfortunately, it seems no one can predict the total cost of the installation of these missile systems, even the information about the exact numbers were bought is undisclosed..
In several articles where I read it just mentioned the purchase of this Yakhont missile at US$.1,2 million each, that's all. So I think we'll never get clear informations about the upgrade cost..

I think Indonesia should consider to import new stealth FFG like 054A from China, just we r offering new designed stealth FFG with 32x VLS units to international weapon market.

Yes, this 054A frigate is a great platform. With the ability to carry 32x VLS cells HQ-16 SAM system, I think it's will be great to serve as the backbone of our naval air defence assets, which currently we are lacks in such capabilities..
Sure I hope, with the increasing economic cooperation and military relations between the Two countries will also affect to the increased of weapons procurement from China. And maybe this 054A frigate will gonna be into our navy inventory as a replacement of our Van Speijk fleet, who knows..

 

[ANMDT]

Indonesian state owned Shipbuilder (PT PAL) has currently been evaluating the overhauls of that frigates.

The news is in Indonesian, Antara News Agency (24 June, 2015)
Peremajaan fregat kelas Van Speijk mendesak - ANTARA News

Current Modernization

1. 4 of the frigates radar has been modernized by Indonesian firm ( PT Infra RCS) with low-probability-of-intercept (LPI) naval radars.

2. In term of weapon, one of them can launch Yakhoon anti ship missile now, up grade conducted by PT PAL

3. Indonesian state owned electronic firm ( PT LEN ) has installed its Combat Management System (CMS) to change the old ones. The CMS, known as the Mandhala, was installed on three Ahmad Yani (Van Speijk)-class guided-missile frigates: KRI Ahmad Yani (351), KRI Abdul Halim Perdanakusuma (355), and KRI Yos Sudarso (353). Indodefence 2014: PT Len expands use of indigenous CMS across TNI-AL fleet - IHS Jane's 360

Indonesian Van Speijk Class launching Yakhoon Missile


Beside plan to overhaul those old frigate, Indonesian shipbuilder PT PAL has been currently working to build two biggest Sigma Class vessel (Frigates) with cooperation with Damen Shipyard. First frigate is planed to finish in the beginning of 2017 (January).

While indonesia has good effort of modernization in the naval forces, why there is an extreme spends on such an old ships ? I even confront that Turkey modernized G-class AAW frigates ,but there wasnt any class to replace till 2020s , also it is still about 30 years old which is a limit by NATO for operated ships.

They are almost 50 years old , it doesnt matter what you install on those ships ,overhauling a system after 30 years isnt cost effective ,if there is a modernization projected for this class, how many years it is supposed to be in operation (Think a basic Cost/year assumption) ? The cost of overhauling during years after 30-35 , or a massive project to modernize them with modern equipment will cost almost as a new system.

Very bulky design from 60s , Not effective cannon, Excess ratio of hull weight/equipment , Large RCS ,Less survivability.

It is more logical to basically build/ purchase new platforms, even a corvette sized ship can replace these old ships . They should have been decommissioned when there is need to change engines ,Sorry but who really thought to modernize them in this way isnt a professional anyway . It is mostly to sustain production for the company's economical wheel.

Here is list /commission.

 

[Bhayangkara]

While indonesia has good effort of modernization in the naval forces, why there is an extreme spends on such an old ships ? I even confront that Turkey modernized G-class AAW frigates ,but there wasnt any class to replace till 2020s , also it is still about 30 years old which is a limit by NATO for operated ships.

They are almost 50 years old , it doesnt matter what you install on those ships ,overhauling a system after 30 years isnt cost effective ,if there is a modernization projected for this class, how many years it is supposed to be in operation (Think a basic Cost/year assumption) ? The cost of overhauling during years after 30-35 , or a massive project to modernize them with modern equipment will cost almost as a new system.

Very bulky design from 60s , Not effective cannon, Excess ratio of hull weight/equipment , Large RCS ,Less survivability..

Exactly, it's a good point and very well explanation, Sir..
Sure, no matter how great the upgrade package that crammed into it still it was an old ship, and it's not comparable with value of the systems and weaponry that she's carried. And remember this is a five decades old ship, which was supposed only to be found in the museums or may already rest in peace at the bottom of the sea..

It is more logical to basically build/ purchase new platforms, even a corvette sized ship can replace these old ships... Sorry but who really thought to modernize them in this way isnt a professional anyway..

Well, actually for now on there's no intention from our navy to upgrading again those ships, because in the article above (unfortunately its in Bahasa) does not mentioning about that's plan at all., There's only mentioned that our navy chief of staff had planed to accelerate the renewal program of the Van Speijk fleet. And they also realize those ships was already too old to serve in the navy, which is why they proposed additional budget to implementing the program that eventually has getting approval from the parliament, which I hope in next five years there has been a definite decision about the successor..

 

[cnleio]

Yes, this 054A frigate is a great platform. With the ability to carry 32x VLS cells HQ-16 SAM system, I think it's will be great to serve as the backbone of our naval air defence assets, which currently we are lacks in such capabilities..
Sure I hope, with the increasing economic cooperation and military relations between the Two countries will also affect to the increased of weapons procurement from China. And maybe this 054A frigate will gonna be into our navy inventory as a replacement of our Van Speijk fleet, who knows..

As far as i knew, the 054A-class FFG cost 0.4 billion USD for PLAN, a cheap & effective frigate now already built 22x, building continue ... 052C/D DDG just need 0.8~1.0 billion USD.

 

[Bhayangkara]

As far as i knew, the 054A-class FFG cost 0.4 billion USD for PLAN, a cheap & effective frigate now already built 22x, building continue ... 052C/D DDG just need 0.8~1.0 billion USD.

Do you mean that Type-054A frigate is only cost US$.400 million with all the package included, Sir??

 

[cnleio]

Do you mean that Type-054A frigate is only cost US$.400 million with all the package included, Sir??

It’s the ship price for PLAN,not including missiles. Truth is ... 054A FFG is not a expensive warship built in China, 22x 054A already finished. Next stealth frigate, China plan for 054B with small AESA radar on shipbridge. Ship hull + engine + VLS + CIWS + Radar system + Missiles all made in China,now 054A-class export is not a problem for China =)

 

[initial_d]

I think jokowi already choose to build our own war ship on our own ship yard, so it's impossible for ship from china to be purchased by the navy, we are concentrating on PKR 105, who knows tommorow will be a PKR 125 or even PKR 140

It’s the ship price for PLAN,not including missiles. Truth is ... 054A FFG is not a expensive warship built in China, 22x 054A already finished. Next stealth frigate, China plan for 054B with small AESA radar on shipbridge. Ship hull + engine + VLS + CIWS + Radar system + Missiles all made in China,now 054A-class export is not a problem for China =)

If it empty, ill rather choose iver huidfelt of royal danish navy design over chinese 054A/B

 

[Bhayangkara]

It’s the ship price for PLAN,not including missiles. Truth is ... 054A FFG is not a expensive warship built in China, 22x 054A already finished. Next stealth frigate, China plan for 054B with small AESA radar on shipbridge. Ship hull + engine + VLS + CIWS + Radar system + Missiles all made in China,now 054A-class export is not a problem for China =)

Yes, however, the price of 400 mil for such a 4000 tons ship with kind of capabilities like type-054A frigate is still an efective cost to me. So, let's hope that in the future there's an agreement which can benefit both countries..

Anyway, that's 22 units for a single class ship is a masive numbers you have being build. Your country's shipbuilding capability is awesome !!!