Indonesia Maritime defence and security issue

[Rechoice]

Unless I'm dreaming, is that Vietnamese security officer barefoot (on the right) ? And the other one (on the left) wearing sandals?

I think he has uniform footwears too, but it was got wet.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

2 more vietnamese illegal fishing boats seized (25/7/2015).
KM Kurnia 9 (BV 9796 TS) and KM Kurnia 10 (BV 99868 TS) seized by Indonesian navy around Ranai, Natuna sea. All the 20 crews was arrested and waitng for further investigation process.

Indoneisan navy patrol captured the illegal fishing boats using KRI Clurit 641.

Boats position when captured for fishing illegaly in Indonesian water (04°39' N -108°33' E)


- KRI-Celurit-641-Tangkap-Dua-Kapal-Vietnam-di-Natuna.html
- Koarmabar Tangkap 2 Kapal Illegal Fishing di Laut Ranai, Natuna
- Lagi, TNI AL Tangkap 2 Kapal Vietnam Pencuri Ikan di Natuna

 

[pr1v4t33r]

2 more vietnamese illegal fishing boats seized (25/7/2015).
KM Kurnia 9 (BV 9796 TS) and KM Kurnia 10 (BV 99868 TS) seized by Indonesian navy around Ranai, Natuna sea. All the 20 crews was arrested and waiting for further investigation process.

One of the vietnamese boat BV 9796 TS, seized for fishing illegaly

Indonesian navy patrol, captured the illegal fishing boats using KRI Clurit 641.

Boats position when captured for fishing illegaly in Indonesian water (04°39' N -108°33' E)

- KRI-Celurit-641-Tangkap-Dua-Kapal-Vietnam-di-Natuna.html
- Koarmabar Tangkap 2 Kapal Illegal Fishing di Laut Ranai, Natuna
- Lagi, TNI AL Tangkap 2 Kapal Vietnam Pencuri Ikan di Natuna

 

[PLANZubr]

2 more vietnamese illegal fishing boats seized (25/7/2015).
KM Kurnia 9 (BV 9796 TS) and KM Kurnia 10 (BV 99868 TS) seized by Indonesian navy around Ranai, Natuna sea. All the 20 crews was arrested and waiting for further investigation process.

One of the vietnamese boat BV 9796 TS, seized for fishing illegaly

Indonesian navy patrol, captured the illegal fishing boats using KRI Clurit 641.

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Boats position when captured for fishing illegaly in Indonesian water (04°39' N -108°33' E)

Great move by Indonesia. Blow up the fishing boats again. Just leave the Viets on their boats this time. They can swim back to Vietnam.

 

[Viet]

Great move by Indonesia. Blow up the fishing boats again. Just leave the Viets on their boats this time. They can swim back to Vietnam.

I wonder why the Mod failed to make this thread sticky? Anyway, indonesia is an insignificant country, and becomes less important with every day passing by. they are very desperate now. in Asean, we call them Mr Nobody. do you see anyone in Asean inviting the former furniture seller Jokowi to a friendly visit? Nope.

by the way, indonesia heads to a full economic collapse. mostly thanks to their nationalistic policy. do you have relatives in the country? do you remember of indo massacre on chinese ethnics when indo faced economic collapse lately, some years ago? I think you should warn them and advise them to leave indo immediately. chinese women are not safe at all.

the burmese sentenced a lot of chinese to prison because of illegal logging. no chance to swim back to china. too bad.

 

[katarabhumi]

Made this thread sticky?.. YES, PLEASE

 

[pr1v4t33r]

2015 Map of The Republic of Indonesia
The latest map issued by the Indonesian government providing detail and informative visual of the whole Indonesian territory. Looks like we claim more EEZ, including area around SCS
.

Great move by Indonesia. Blow up the fishing boats again. Just leave the Viets on their boats this time. They can swim back to Vietnam.

There's some sentiment within Indonesian society that indeed demand more strict yet more simple implementation of this "sink the boats" policy. They demand direct investigation and trial at the sea, and when found guilty the boats will be destroyed immediately. But we will not harm the crews, they will be deported, but the captain ussually get fined and jailed.

Anyway, indonesia is an insignificant country, and becomes less important with every day passing by. they are very desperate now. in Asean, we call them Mr Nobody. do you see anyone in Asean inviting the former furniture seller Jokowi to a friendly visit? Nope.

by the way, indonesia heads to a full economic collapse. mostly thanks to their nationalistic policy. do you have relatives in the country? do you remember of indo massacre on chinese ethnics when indo faced economic collapse lately, some years ago? I think you should warn them and advise them to leave indo immediately. chinese women are not safe at all.

What a wonderfull insight. This man must be an economic and foreign policy expert. NOT.

Made this thread sticky?.. YES, PLEASE

Then we should find a more neutral tone for the title of this topic.

 

[William Hung]

2015 Map of The Republic of Indonesia
The latest map issued by the Indonesian government providing detail and informative visual of the whole Indonesian territory. Looks like we claim more EEZ, including area around SCS
.

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There's some sentiment within Indonesian society that indeed demand more strict yet more simple implementation of this "sink the boats" policy. They demand direct investigation and trial at the sea, and when found guilty the boats will be destroyed immediately. But we will not harm the crews, they will be deported, but the captain ussually get fined and jailed.



What a wonderfull insight. This man must be an economic and foreign policy expert. NOT.



Then we should find a more neutral tone for the title of this topic.

As far as I know, that map was released a few years ago.

There are three lines, first one is red close to Natuna, then a blue line that is further up, then a purple line that even goes a bit further.

Can you tell me what the three different lines mean and what is the Indonesian official stance on the blue and purple lines?

 

[pr1v4t33r]

As far as I know, that map was released a few years ago. There are three lines, first one is red close to Natuna, then a blue line that is further up, then a purple line that even goes a bit further. Can you tell me what the three different lines mean and what is the Indonesian official stance on the blue and purple lines?

True we indeed released this map in 2014, but we refine and renew it in 2015 with few changes. You can download the new 2015 hi resolution map, but it seems that i can't post the link.

The red line : Indonesia territorial sea boundary
The blue line : Indonesia continental shelf boundary
The purple line : Indonesia ZEE boundary

solid line : agreed
dash line : agreed, not yet ratified
dash & dot line : claim not yet agreed

 

[pr1v4t33r]

As far as I know, that map was released a few years ago. There are three lines, first one is red close to Natuna, then a blue line that is further up, then a purple line that even goes a bit further. Can you tell me what the three different lines mean and what is the Indonesian official stance on the blue and purple lines?

True, we indeed released this map in 2014, but we refine and renew it in 2015 with few changes.

Red line : Indonesia territorial sea boundary
Blue line : Indonesia continental shelf boundary
Purple line : Indonesia ZEE boundary

solid line : agreed
dash line : agreed, not yet ratified
dash and point line : claimed, not yet agreed

In the case of boundary surrounding Natuna, we (Indonesia & Vietnam) have agreed on the purple boundary, but we have not ratified this. And Indonesia have some claim that need to be agreed with Malaysia.

 

[Rechoice]

 

[William Hung]

True, we indeed released this map in 2014, but we refine and renew it in 2015 with few changes.

Red line : Indonesia territorial sea boundary
Blue line : Indonesia continental shelf boundary
Purple line : Indonesia ZEE boundary

solid line : agreed
dash line : agreed, not yet ratified
dash and point line : claimed, not yet agreed

In the case of boundary surrounding Natuna, we (Indonesia & Vietnam) have agreed on the purple boundary, but we have not ratified this. And Indonesia have some claim that need to be agreed with Malaysia.

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Thanks. Viet Nam and Malaysia have agreed on their respective EEZ boundaries and made a joint submission to the UN back in 2012. It looked something like this, which is very similar to the Indonesian map on the VN-IND boundary:

I wondered before why Indonesia didn’t join VN-MY in submitting the map but it seems like Malaysia can only agree with the blue line while Indonesia want the purple line. Interesting that VN has agreed on the purple line. Maybe VN-IND will soon make a joint submission on a new updated EEZ map to the UN.

It is interesting that this map now officially shows the boundary line that conflict with China’s 9 dash lines while I couldn’t find any official Indonesia stance on this back in 2012.

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That’s not an official map of any country, it was only created by some news media.

If you want to know the official claim line of Viet Nam (in terms of EEZ), you will need to find the map that was submitted to the UN back in 2012.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

View attachment 241124

Thanks. Viet Nam and Malaysia have agreed on their respective EEZ boundaries and made a joint submission to the UN back in 2012. It looked something like this, which is very similar to the Indonesian map on the VN-IND boundary:

I wondered before why Indonesia didn’t join VN-MY in submitting the map but it seems like Malaysia can only agree with the blue line while Indonesia want the purple line. Interesting that VN has agreed on the purple line. Maybe VN-IND will soon make a joint submission on a new updated EEZ map to the UN.

It is interesting that this map now officially shows the boundary line that conflict with China’s 9 dash lines while I couldn’t find any official Indonesia stance on this back in 2012.

Our government are very progresive regarding settlement of maritime boundaries with our neighbouring countries. Until today we have already settled 21 maritime boundaries treaty with our neighbor including malaysia, philippines, singapore, vietnam, thailand, india, australia, timor leste, and papua new guinea.

But since we have a very large maritime area with so many maritime boundaries with our neighbor, there's still few more work to be done.

Regarding the 9 dashed line claimed by China, Indonesian government doesn't recognize this claim and there will be no agreement / treaty involving the 2 country to settle any maritime boundary. It doesn't exist.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Safeway Becomes First US Supermarket to Offer Fair Trade Fish

Earlier this year, Safeway, in a partnership with the nonprofit organization Fair Trade USA, became the first U.S. supermarket to offer Fair Trade seafood. The initiative is part of a program aimed at expanding the social and environmental considerations of the Fair Trade movement into the world seafood market, which currently employs over 120 million people across the world.

The supermarket chain began its Fair Trade seafood program in March with the distribution of wild-capture tuna from small-scale fishing operations in Indonesia. Those products are being supplied by four Fair Trade associations representing 120 fishermen in Indonesia’s Maluku province.

In order for seafood to become Fair Trade certified, suppliers must source and trade in compliance with standards established by Fair Trade USA’s Capture Fisheries Program. Those criteria include standards for empowerment and community development, which prioritize the well-being of communities in trade activities; fundamental human rights, which protect workers from forced labor and ensure their right to organize; and wages, working conditions and access to services, which aim to improve wages and benefits as well as working hours.

Safeway Becomes First Supermarket to Offer Fair Trade Fish

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Indonesia gives ultimatum on fishermen’s payments
Indonesia yesterday said it would no longer allow Taiwanese fishing boats to hire Indonesian crew members unless employers pay the workers a monthly bonus of NT$1,000.

The Indonesia government will only accept applications from brokers whose clients are willing to pay the monthly bonus to Indonesian fishermen working on their fishing boats, Indonesian Agency of Placement and Protection of Indonesian Migrant Workers deputy head Agusdin Subiantoro told the Central News agency yesterday.

The official’s comments came a day after representatives of several Taiwanese brokerage companies went to Indonesia to meet with officials from the Indonesian agency and reach a consensus on the treatment of Indonesian fishermen in Taiwan.

Many Taiwanese brokerage firms received notification on March 16 that Indonesia would stop sending fishermen to Taiwan until their rights were better protected.

The unilateral announcement caught many deep-sea and inshore fishing operators in Taiwan off guard, as Indonesian fishery workers reportedly account for about 70 percent of the foreign nationals working in Taiwan’s fishery sector.

At Tuesday’s meeting, Indonesian government officials and the Taiwanese brokers reached a consensus over two issues, but the Manpower Agencies Association of Republic of China (Taiwan) said it could not accept the demand that monthly bonuses be paid.

The two sides agreed that Taiwanese employers need to provide proper bedding and better living quarters for crew members on their boats and that employers cannot deduct the cost of food from the fishermen’s wages.

An official from Taiwan’s representative office in Indonesia, who also attended Tuesday’s meeting, said the monthly bonus was not part of the consensus reached by the two sides.

The Agency of Placement and Protection of Indonesian Migrant Workers acknowledged that Taiwan did not agree to the demand for the bonus, but it said the bonus was a necessary condition for an agreement.

Indonesia gives ultimatum on fishermen’s payments - Taipei Times