Indonesia gets US nod for F-15 and F-18 fighter jet purchases

[antonius123]

As an example, the difference in the max detection range between the APG-63(v9) (mechanically scanned) and the APG-83 SABR (electronically scanned) is 40%.


The strength of AESA is lower side lobe even at max power v a PESA, LPI and detection range, jam resistance is all a consequence of it.
Also, clutter rejection is a function of compute resources (and antenna) the more CPU you throw at it the lower your clutter rejection threshold is ..and therefore you improve your detection probability.

Dont compare APG-63 with APG-83, compare these to SU-35's irbish in term of detection range or J-16's AESA in term of both detection and LPI.

But all this is a moot point, a 4th GEN fighter carrying fuel tanks and ordnance isn't going to have a low RCS - regardless of how small the aircraft is..

Of course if you are talking about true stealth fighter, external carriage wont be able to make fighter really stealthy; but 4th generation with low RCS still end up with lower RCS in spite of tank missile etc esp from frontal direction.

So still 4th gen fighter with lower RCS have better chance to detect another th gen with higher RCS assuming they all have the same radar capability and carry the same external load.

Your final objection on AMRAAM range is valid but like I said before a Meteor or PL 15 launched at the edge of its envelope isn't going to hit a modern 4.5 GEN fighter packed with defensive aids (jammers and decoys)
and certainly not an F-15 that can loiter higher than any other aircraft and see further than them all.

True for Meteor.
But PL-15 radar is AESA, hence good luck if you wanna try to jamm or decoy it... will never work.

 

[Place Of Space]

I don't see it that way, a strong Indonesia is actually the best interest for Australia and India, just as these countries being strong is in the best interest of Indonesia.

You are too weak right now, We just wait how you guys fighting in future. Indian ocean is vital for you 3.

 

[Zarvan]

170 will be great start but for sure as hell not enough. Indonesia needs double then 170 for its Air Force. F-15 XL or F-18 Block III both are great choices. Along with Rafale.

 

[striver44]

170 will be great start but for sure as hell not enough. Indonesia needs double then 170 for its Air Force. F-15 XL or F-18 Block III both are great choices. Along with Rafale.

I'm not sure there's an F-15xl

You are too weak right now, We just wait how you guys fighting in future. Indian ocean is vital for you 3.

There will be no Indo-OZ-India war as long as there is China. Relax

 

[maverick1977]

Ask China to stop sending their coast guard and prevent ASEAN countries to extract resources from their own EEZ.

We do have a burgeoning trade with China tho, even larger than iron bro Pakistan-China.

Your policy makers are stupid then. Pakistan had border dispute with China too and we amicably resolved it. Everything is possible with dialogue and concessions...

 

[striver44]

Your policy makers are stupid then. Pakistan had border dispute with China too and we amicably resolved it. Everything is possible with dialogue and concessions...

Why don't concede your issues with India then?

 

[khanmubashir]

F-15 lack the agility of Rafale, it may have the range and payload but it's hardly capable of air superiority in a dogfight against Rafale/ J-10.

The era of dog fight has long gone
Russian jets have been more agile due to thrust vectoring

Which USA didn't adopt except for f22

Since it's not much usable in real battle

It's bvr and ew

F-15 lack the agility of Rafale, it may have the range and payload but it's hardly capable of air superiority in a dogfight against Rafale/ J-10.

The era of dog fight has long gone
Russian jets have been more agile due to thrust vectoring

Which USA didn't adopt except for f22

Since it's not much usable in real battle

It's bvr and ew

 

[maverick1977]

Why don't concede your issues with India then?

India doesnt want to talk, they want war, annihilation and killings of muslims and concept of Pakistan

 

[khanmubashir]

F18 makes only sense for carriers
F15 X better option
Cost as much as Rafael but with much longer range and payload
with engine commonality with f 16
Induction would be quicker and maintiance be easier due to economy of scales

 

[ziaulislam]

Why don't concede your issues with India then?

same reason why india hasnt solve its disputes with pakistan, nepal, bengladesh and china...

 

[dbc]

But PL-15 radar is AESA, hence good luck if you wanna try to jamm or decoy it... will never work.

LOL no PL-15 vs Growler - Growler wins.
Growler vs Arleigh Burke - Arleigh Burke wins

are you starting to see a pattern? Yes its power, AESA radar is just as susceptible to noise jamming and here size does matter.

 

[Place Of Space]

I'm not sure there's an F-15xl

There will be no Indo-OZ-India war as long as there is China. Relax

Indian ocean is not a must for China. China is both mainland and marine country. I repeat Indian ocean is vital for you 3, there is a fatal competition.

 

[-=virus=-]

...eh, Boeing - not MD.

(((eric shmidt))) etc

 

[antonius123]

LOL no PL-15 vs Growler - Growler wins.
Growler vs Arleigh Burke - Arleigh Burke wins

are you starting to see a pattern? Yes its power, AESA radar is just as susceptible to noise jamming and here size does matter.

You can't jamm or decoy signal with low probablity to intercept. Period.

 

[dbc]

You can't jamm or decoy signal with low probablity to intercept. Period.

You don't understand how LPI works, low probability of intercept makes detection of a radar emission harder.
It has nothing to do with jamming, particularly noise jamming where detection isn't a prerequisite.