Indonesia executes drug convicts, sparks anger from Australia, Brazil

[jhungary]

I believe that agreement is over if there was any, because from the steps taken by calling back the ambassador is a very rare one, but aus will need some sort of mechanism for asylum and illegal migrants coming from indonesia. Why didn't the AFP didn't called for extradition during trial? or there wasn't any trial? apologies because i don't know much about the history of this case, just catched it now after so much uproar.

lol if an agreement was indeed in place, the Indonesian broke it long before yesterday execution...

Anyway, the case is like this

The case come to surface for the AFP from an Australian Lawyer who represent one of the Bali 9 parent, the lawyer alerted the AFP about Bali 9 and their intention to bring drug in Australia from Indonesia. that is before the Bali 9 even set foot in Indonesia

What happened was, the AFP officer who initially received the case had allegedly "Promised" the lawyer the person (one of Bali 9) would be stop before boarding a flight to Bali, but the AFP later refused to acknowledge this "Promise" and said it violate their policy of Policing.

Instead the AFP allow the Bali 9 to leave Australia and enter Indonesia, even tho surveillance was to be set up in Indonesia, AFP instead provided that intel to Indonesian Authority as part of Information exchange regarding cross border crime.

It is at this point, some expert suggest an agreement for not pursuing the death penalty exist so they can provide detail as to who the Bali 9 was working for, or even some suggested that an extradition agreement were made too, but that seems to gone out of window as well

Whatever intelligence cooperation that taken place at that time between AFP and Indonesian authority, will not change the result. You come to our airport with 18lb heroin bags strapped on your body, then you're done.

Do you think we can't detect these heroin packege by ourselves? How about other case of heroin, cocaine, and drug arrest that taken place all over Indonesian airport? Is this also the result of AFP intellegence work?

I don't think so.

First of all, THIS IS AN EXPORT OPERATION from Indonesia, which means the drug is ALREADY IN INDONESIA in the first place, the Bali 9 did not bring drug INTO Indonesia but they bought drug IN Indonesia and bring them BACK TO AUSTRALIA

Now, the drug was already in Indonesia, that mean they were either made in Indonesia, or they were import by someone other than the Bali 9 into Indonesia, now I wonder why your ALL-MIGHTY police force cannot intercept whoever make or import the drug in the first place??

Mate, seems to me you don't know anything about this Bali 9 story but only seems to know year, Indonesian tell Australian to fuk off.

And in the end, it does not change the fact that, Indonesian Authority is tipped off by the AFP, and whoever supply the drug IN INDONESIA is still at large, even it have already been 10 years.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

First of all, THIS IS AN EXPORT OPERATION from Indonesia, which means the drug is ALREADY IN INDONESIA in the first place, the Bali 9 did not bring drug INTO Indonesia but they bought drug IN Indonesia and bring them BACK TO AUSTRALIA

Now, the drug was already in Indonesia, that mean they were either made in Indonesia, or they were import by someone other than the Bali 9 into Indonesia, now I wonder why your ALL-MIGHTY police force cannot intercept whoever make or import the drug in the first place??

Mate, seems to me that you don't know anything about this Bali 9 story but only seems to know year, Indonesian tell Australian to fuk off.

And in the end, it does not change the fact that, Indonesian Authority is tipped off by the AFP, and whoever supply the drug IN INDONESIA is still at large, even it have already been 10 years.

Mate, it seems to me that you don't know anything about this bali nine ringleader numerous ill adventures, but happily judge against Indonesian authority effort to curb drug traffic sindicate and drug sirculation in Indonesia.

And in the end it's fact that we succeed to catch this so called bali nine groups and recently put 2 of their ringleader to face their final destination. Their final resting place.

If i'm not mistaken, we also succeed to shot dead one supplier who supply this heroin package to bali nine group. There is some roumor that, one mastermind is currently living in safe heaven in Australia. That's not our business. AFP should clean up their home and do their homework properly.

Bali 9's Andrew Chan was mastermind of ANOTHER deal that went wrong | Daily Mail Online

Bali Nine mastermind won $5m on the LOTTERY after their arrest | Daily Mail Online

Chris Ellison says Federal Police acted properly in Bali 9 tip off | Daily Mail Online

 

[jhungary]

Mate, it seems to me that you don't know anything about this bali nine ringleader numerous ill adventures, but happily judge against Indonesian authority effort to curb drug traffic sindicate and drug sirculation in Indonesia.

And in the end it's fact that we succeed to catch this so called bali nine groups and recently put 2 of their ringleader to face their final destination. Their final resting place.

If i'm not mistaken, we also succeed to shot dead one supplier who supply this heroin package to bali nine group. There is some roumor that, one mastermind is currently living in safe heaven in Australia. That's not our business. AFP should clean their home and do their homework properly.

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Bali 9's Andrew Chan was mastermind of ANOTHER deal that went wrong | Daily Mail Online

Bali Nine mastermind won $5m on the LOTTERY after their arrest | Daily Mail Online

Chris Ellison says Federal Police acted properly in Bali 9 tip off | Daily Mail Online

Mate, you are the one that that does not know anything about this operation.

The operation started by an Australian Drug Kingpin who have connection to an Indonesian drug trade, the AFP believe the drug money that the Indonesian Drug connection made are diverted to Free Aceh movement, however, the AFP does not know how and where the drug come from (Either they were import or grown inside Indonesia)

The bali duo, Chan and Sukumaran is believed to be the middle management working for an Australian Drug syndicate, which to whom the Drug Kingpin is unknown and so does the Indonesian Drug supplier.

By executing the middle man, Indonesian Authority effectively killed off 2 viable lead to 2 separate case, 1.) Who Supply the heroin in Indonesia. 2.) The distribution network in Australia.

Yes, your government shot and kill 1 supplier, big deal, do you think one guy can move 50+ Kg Heroin daily?? No, the network in Indonesia is almost certainly is bigger than a 1 man-operation. But you will never know who and where the drug came from, and by executing the Duo instead of authorise a deal to be place, thanks to that, that same syndicate/supplier have been supplying drug in Indonesia and oversea for the last 10 years because the authority have decided to rather kill the 2 dude that organise the met, instead of going after the head honcho..

Even the lowest of the low Police Officer know those people are mule and middle management, they are replaceable, and unless this is all Indonesian want to do, just going after the mule but not the big guy, but then this ineptness seems echo to why Indonesian very keen on executing the Bali Duo instead of making an arrangement for them to spill the bean.

You know, the guy who made or import Heroin in Indonesia are pointing at the Indonesian Authority and laughing, because they don't need to do the dirty work by trying to kill or silence the duo so they won't spill the bean, the Indonesian government have done it FOR THEM.

Bravo, Indonsian Authority, just Bravo

 

[venu309]

okay, you are saying you, in Indonesia, know more about WHAT HAPPENING IN AUSTRALIA RIGHT NOW than me sitting in my home in the suburb of Blacktown NSW Australia, watching Channel 7 News about an hour ago, then please, do go on

Hey you are from Blacktown? That's great....I live in Quakers Hill.

 

[Aepsilons]

We can see social media outcry on Australian media (Guardian), Daily mail, Yahoo news or Jakarta Post.

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Good! A tough stance needs to be taken.

 

[jhungary]

Hey you are from Blacktown? That's great....I live in Quakers Hill.

lol Yeah......well, I actually live in the boundary between blacktown and Lalor park but yeah, I live in the City of Black Town, but I do need to take a bus or walk 40 minutes to the station

Maybe we can have a cuppa sometime in Westpoint, what'd you say??

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Mate, you are the one that that does not know anything about this operation. The operation started by an Australian Drug Kingpin who have connection to an Indonesian drug trade, the AFP believe the drug money that the Indonesian Drug connection made are diverted to Free Aceh movement, however, the AFP does not know how and where the drug come from (Either they were import or grown inside Indonesia)

How can i become not know, when i already point out numerous link to this case for you. In case you haven't read, Just above your post. Like i said, we fight the drug syndicate here. And bali nine group, become part of it. They use our soil as their transit point, and we don't tolerate that.

The bali duo, Chan and Sukumaran is believed to be the middle management working for an Australian Drug syndicate, which to whom the Drug Kingpin is unknown and so does the Indonesian Drug supplier. By executing the middle man, Indonesian Authority effectively killed off 2 viable lead to 2 separate case, 1.) Who Supply the heroin in Indonesia. 2.) The distribution network in Australia.

Bali nine ringleaders as middle man or broker is not a news to me. It's a well known fact. The indonesian drug supplier is dead already, like i said. And it's very misleading to assume by executing this 2 ringleader, Indonesian authority will killed off viable lead, as if they are ready to cooperate.

They are already in prison for 10 YEARS. If they want to cooperate, they WILL do that to save their live long time ago. Instead, they denied this live saving chances to become justice collaborator. So they have to face the dire consequence.

Yes, your government shot and kill 1 supplier, big deal, do you think one supplier can move 50+ Kg Heroin daily?? No, the network in Indonesia is almost certainly is bigger than a 1 man-operation. But you will never know who and where the drug came from, and by executing the Duo instead of authorise a deal to be place, thanks to that, that same syndicate/supplier have been supplying drug in Indonesia and oversea for the last 10 years because the authority have decided to rather kill the 2 dude that organise the met, instead of going after the head honcho..

It's quite big deal, if we compare to AFP incompetent work that try to protect for 10 YEARS the mastermind that live in safe heaven in AUSTRALIAn soil. If bali duo want to cooperate, than it's all good for them. They maybe can get life imprisonment. But, since they refuse, then they have to shoulder all the burden by themselves.

Even the lowest of the low Police Officer know those people are mule and middle management, they are replaceable, and unless this is all Indonesian want to do, just going after the mule but not the big guy, but then this ineptness seems echo to why Indonesian very keen on executing the Bali Duo instead of making an arrangement for them to spill the bean.

Tell something that we don't know already. Don't try to cover AFP incompetent work by blaming Indonesian authority.

Bravo, Indonsian Authority,, just Bravo

Yup. Bravo, we have to give the credit where it's due.

 

[jhungary]

How can i become not know, when i already point out numerous link to this case for you. In case you haven't read, Just above your post. Like i said, we fight the drug syndicate here. And bali nine group, become part of it. They use our soil as their transit point, and we don't tolerate that.




Bali nine ringleaders as middle man or broker is not a news to me. It's a well known fact. The indonesian drug supplier is dead already, like i said. And it's very misleading to assume by executing this 2 ringleader Indonesian authority will killed off viable lead, as if they are ready to cooperate.

They are already in prison for 10 YEARS. If they want to cooperate, they WILL do that to save their live long time ago. Instead, they denied this live saving chances to become justice collaborator. So they have to face the dire consequence.




It's quite big deal, if we compare to AFP incompetent work that try to protect for 10 YEARS the mastermind that live in safe heaven in AUSTRALIAn soil. If bali duo want to cooperate, that it's all right. They can get life improsonment. But, since they refuse, then they have to shoulder all the burden by themselves.




Tell something that we don't know already. Don't try to cover AFP incompetent work by blaming Indonesian authority.




Yup. Bravo, we have to give the credit where it's due.

lol, dude, what's up with the 180??

If you remember yesterday, what did I say on the very first post??

I said, people in Australia are pissed off about the AFP, because the way they handle the Bali 9 Incident.

No doubt the AFP are to blame in this situation, but what I am saying is, it doesn't do good for Indonesian either, we, are an developed country, we can take the drug problem, we have a more than well, if not one of the best medical and mental health system to coup with junkie inside Australia, so the problem of not catching the King Pin is not really a big problem to us.

On the other hand, the same cannot be say with your own government, how well do you cope with the Drug supplies within your country, judging from the fact that Indonesia remain one of the more favourable nation to supply drugs in south east Asia, I would say not really good. But then what's the surprise, your authority decided to go after the middle management type that can be so easily replace rather then the top honcho.

What would you do if you have a death sentence on you? Would you think you will talk?? Dude, you are lenient BEFORE handing down the judgment. not after you are sentence to death already. lol, you make deal BEFORE you go to court, not after...Or you serious think there are these kind of people that, if given a chance to get reprieve, they choose to shut their mouth instead and be killed?? If and when a deal was offered in exchange for information to the Bali Duo, they would have took it already, or you think they really that enjoy being dead??

I am not trying to say this is bad, THIS IS BAD, it don't need me for saying that. And seems to me, your guys don't care, but hey, your country, your rules.

Yeah, I think, from day 1, even post 1 in this thread that the AFP drop the ball, but did that excuse the Indonesian ineptness?? No. You can execute the hack out of anyone, but without getting the real important one, you can execute the whole Indonesia for all I care, it won't do jack shit about the drug problem in Indonesia, the scale is, if you can make heroin in your own country, that reflect a certain amount/degree of ineptness of your own Law Enforcement. and what your government say to combat that, they are to kill whoever bring drugs in or out of Indonesia, without asking too many question. lol

 

[venu309]

lol Yeah......well, I actually live in the boundary between blacktown and Lalor park but yeah, I live in the City of Black Town, but I do need to take a bus or walk 40 minutes to the station

Maybe we can have a cuppa sometime in Westpoint, what'd you say??

Of course we should! As we are so close by to each other....we should!

 

[pr1v4t33r]

lol, dude, what's up with the 180??

If you remember yesterday, what did I say on the very first post?? I said, people in Australia are pissed off about the AFP, because the way they handle the Bali 9 Incident.

What lol, and what 180. My stance is clear. I said social media outcry by Australian citizen (some). And you said you are not one of them, i have no objection. But is that denied the fact that Social media outcry in Australia is hapening right now? No, clearly not. I already supplied you with the evidance (some of the links).

No doubt the AFP are to blame in this situation, but what I am saying is, it doesn't do good for Indonesian either, we, are an developed country, we can take the drug problem, we have a more than well, if not one of the best medical and mental health system to coup with junkie inside Australia, so the problem of not catching the King Pin is not really a big problem to us.

But that's your perspective. Our's is different. if you don't like our perspective, i don't care. Drug is enemy, moreover the drug syndicare and trafficker that threaten Indonesian society. The court had sentenced them to death. Not to rehabilitate. If, by the time they rehabilitate themselves, then it's good. They can face their final day with dignity, than finding death as drug smuggler. Isn't that something good, something that we can celebrate.

I am not trying to say this is bad, THIS IS BAD, it don't need me for saying that. And seems to me, your guys don't care, but hey, your country, your rules.

That's our positeve law. We have sovereignty to exercise our law. If many Australian don't like it, i don't care. If Australian government don't like it, Indonesian government don't care.

Like i said. You want to save YOURS?
We want to save OURS. Millions of them.

Yeah, I think, from day 1, even post 1 in this thread that the AFP drop the ball, but did that excuse the Indonesian ineptness?? No. You can execute the hack out of anyone, but without getting the real important one, you can execute the whole Indonesia for all I care, it won't do jack shit about the drug problem in Indonesia, the scale is, if you can make heroin in your own country, that reflect a certain amount/degree of ineptness of your own Law Enforcement. and what your government say to combat that, they are to kill whoever bring drugs in or out of Indonesia, without asking too many question. lol

That's why, from now on, we will excecute all drug trafficker that operate and use our soil as their operating or transit base. At least, that's the plan.

 

[jhungary]

Of course we should! As we are so close by to each other....we should!

ok, e-mail me at j_hungary @ yahoo . com . au

We can exchange phone number and arrange for a time

What lol, and what 180. My stance is clear. I said social media outcry by Australian citizen (some). And you said you are not one of them, i have no objection. But is that denied the fact that Social media outcry in Australia is hapening right now? No, clearly not. I already supplied you with the evidance (some of the links).

No, you did.

And you have not supply me anything, but the comment section of a few article, and I asked you, how do you know they are Australian, well, you don't.

Out here in REAL Australia, in Blacktown, next to the hometown of Andrew Chan, the man himself. (He was from Doonside) nobody is talking about Indonesia, or pretty much not too many people are talking about the execution already.

But that's your perspective. Our's is different. if you don't like our perspective, i don't care. Drug is enemy, moreover the drug syndicare and trafficker that threaten Indonesian society. The court had sentenced them to death. Not to rehabilitate. If, by the time they rehabilitate themselves, then it's good. They can face their final day with dignity, than finding death as drug smuggler. Isn't that something good, something that we can celebrate.

Actually, no, that's how and why the American lose the drug war, you can execute them, but what will that do? They died, someone else would be taken their place.

Only this time, the middle man and the mule will not be an Australian any more, instead they will recruit them from Indonesia. That is the same thing happened to the American, when they keep catching American Drug Mule, the cartel start hiring Mexican, simply because, the Mexican is poorer and they will take the risk (Texas also have death penalty for Drug offence)

So in effect what the Indonesian is doing is, the drug will keep flowing in from Indonesia to Australia, only this time, since they are harder to recruit Australian mule, they would hire Indonesian instead, and the Australian will stay in Australia running the operation. And since the Indonesian are more active to capture mule, the drug syndicate would send out more courier and drugs with higher quality (So they can be dilute later) to Australia. Hence you have more drug flushing the market, higher quality and with lower price.

That's our positeve law. We have sovereignty to exercise our law. If many Australian don't like it, i don't care. If Australian government don't like it, Indonesian government don't care.

Like i said. You want to save YOURS?
We want to save OURS. Millions of them.

It's not about who saving who, but about the big picture. Read my response before

That's why we will excecute all drud trafficker that operate and use our soil as their operating or transit base. At least, that's the plan.

Again, you fail to see the big picture, it does not matter if you execute all the mule that you caught, doing that will only ensure the mule would all be Indonesian later, after some dumb duped Aussie kid say this risk is too high. Then the market will have more high quality product selling at lower price since there are more people trying to come and get you, you send out more product in hope that more product = more will get thru

 

[pr1v4t33r]

No, you did.

And you have not supply me anything, but the comment section of a few article, and I asked you, how do you know they are Australian, well, you don't. Out here in REAL Australia, in Blacktown, next to the hometown of Andrew Chan, the man himself. (He was from Doonside) nobody is talking about Indonesia, or pretty much not too many people are talking about the execution already.

Yes, i did.

You are Australian, yes. One of them, yes. You represent ALL Australian citizen view toward this issue, clearly NOT. But i do congratulate you to not become part of this SOCIAL MEDIA outcry. One of our Australian member clearly agree with me regarding this issue, if you check the previious page. So why so sensitive when i say there's SOCIAL MEDIA OUTCRY. I can provide you with numerous more publication, but that's not the point.

It's social media. I didn't said in real live. People tend to be more "wild" in this social media jungle.

Actually, no, that's how and why the American lose the drug war, you can execute them, but what will that do? They died, someone else would be taken their place. Only this time, the middle man and the mule will not be an Australian any more, instead they will recruit them from Indonesia. That is the same thing happened to the American, when they keep catching American Drug Mule, the cartel start hiring Mexican, simply because, the Mexican is poorer and they will take the risk (Texas also have death penalty for Drug offence)

Please, we don't need those lecture. We face a real critical situation here related to drug syndicate in indonesia. We don't live in some of your idealistic fantasy world. In the last 10 years, indonesia has been soft. We put drug trafficker to death row, but never or rerely execute them. So we let Bali nine duo spending their 10Years repenting and rehabilitating themselves, or so most people think.

Today, the direction seems clearer. So we will clear the remaining backlog death row inmates within this year.

So in effect what the Indonesian is doing is, the drug will keep flowing in from Indonesia to Australia, only this time, since they are harder to recruit Australian mule, they would hire Indonesian instead, and the Australian will stay in Australia running the operation. And since the Indonesian are more active to capture mule, the drug syndicate would send out more courier and drugs with higher quality (So they can be dilute later) to Australia. Hence you have more drug flushing the market, higher quality and with lower price.

Haha, what a twisted view. Ok, here's the deal. You keep sending the drug smugler, and we will keep excecute them. How about that. Sounds good?

It's not about who saving who, but about the big picture. Read my response before

You are forget, that the big picture is, drug is evil, drug related crime is punishable by death in Indonesia. And we will keep executing drug offence related crime with hardest posible punishment. That's the big picture.

 

[jhungary]

Yes, i did.

You are Australian, yes. One of them, yes. You represent ALL Australian citizen view toward this issue, clearly NOT. But i do congratulate you to not become part of this SOCIAL MEDIA outcry. One of our Australian member clearly agree with me regarding this issue, if you check the previious page. So why so sensitive when i say there's SOCIAL MEDIA OUTCRY. I can provide you with numerous more publication, but that's not the point.

It's social media. I didn't said in real live. People tend to be more "wild" in this social media jungle.

I did not say I represent all of Australia..

What I said was, nobody I know, or I travel to and from have been talking about the Bali 9 and the execution for almost a day now, I took a 1 hours bus ride from Blacktown to Parramatta, today, surprise, surprise, no one is talking about the Bali 9.

I was eating inside the Parramatta Westfield Food court about 1 and a half hours ago, surprise, surprise, despite it was jam packed with people, nobody (maybe a few) was talking about the Bali 9.

I don't talk to my wife about the Bali 9, and the news of the hours have already fade away from the Bali 9, now you tell me, should I believe you and saying that A Lot of Australian jump up and down on the issue? Or I should believe what I see and hear in Australia?

I don't really know why you want to spin it like that, I don't know what good is it for you to see a lot of Australia Jump up and down and boycott Indonesia for their travel. You do know you are quite depending on Australia for your own economy and defence related matter, right? SO I don't understand why you want a lot of Australian have negative view on your country lol.

Please, we don't need those lecture. We face a real critical situation here related to drug syndicate in indonesia. We don't live in some of your idealistic fantasy world. In the last 10 years, indonesia has been soft. We put drug trafficker to death row, but never or rerely execute them. So we let Bali nine duo spending their 10Years repenting and rehabilitating themselves, or so most people think.

Today, the direction seems clearer. So we will clear the remaining backlog death row inmates within this year.

It's not a lecture, this is how it should happen, but I guess, your country, your rules, tell me when your country at least got rid of the drug problem.

Haha, what a twisted view. Ok, here's the deal. You keep sending the drug smugler, and we will keep excecute them. How about that. Sounds good?

No, it is not a twisted view, this is how it happened as it happen in US-Mexican Border,

How America Lost the War on Drugs | Rolling Stone

do read the first line of this article, then read the rest

After thirty-five years and $500 billion, drugs are as cheap and plentiful as ever. An anatomy of a failure

and tell me if what I said was twisted

You are forget, that the big picture is, drug is evil, drug related crime is punishable by death in Indonesia. And we will keep executing drug offence related crime with hardest posible punishment. That's the big picture.

And you forgets, that your country, your rules, if you want to execute all the drug mule, it is up to you, that if you you think you can win the war on drug with that. lol

Come back to me when you at least get rid of Opium growing business.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

I did not say I represent all of Australia..

What I said was, nobody I know, or I travel to and from have been talking about the Bali 9 and the execution for almost a day now, I took a 1 hours bus ride from Blacktown to Parramatta, today, surprise, surprise, no one is talking about the Bali 9.

I was eating inside the Parramatta Westfield Food court about 1 and a half hours ago, surprise, surprise, despite it was jam packed with people, nobody (maybe a few) was talking about the Bali 9.

I don't talk to my wife about the Bali 9, and the news of the hours have already fade away from the Bali 9, now you tell me, should I believe you and saying that A Lot of Australian jump up and down on the issue? Or I should believe what I see and hear in Australia?

I don't really know why you want to spin it like that, I don't know what good is it for you to see a lot of Australia Jump up and down and boycott Indonesia for their travel. You do know you are quite depending on Australia for your own economy and defence related matter, right? SO I don't understand why you want a lot of Australian have negative view on your country lol.

That's why it's called social media. That's why i call it social media outcry. It's in the Internet. Doh..
Did i said specifically talk about you, about your friend circle, and neighborhood? I just state what i see in internet media, in social media. Even our another Australian member here can confirm and justify my view in the previous post. Why so upset? Let it slide.

It's not a lecture, this is how it should happen, but I guess, your country, your rules, tell me when your country at least got rid of the drug problem. No, it is not a twisted view, this is how it happened as it happen in US-Mexican Border, How America Lost the War on Drugs | Rolling Stone
do read the first line of this article, then read the rest. and tell me if what I said was twisted.

I can see that it is how it shoud happen according to you, and to the people that agree with your view. But i don't. You can bring up one or some articles, researchs, or pubications that suit your view, but then i can also bring up another articles, researchs, and publications that potray this issue from different angle, from different perspective, from different value and voice. Not a big deal.

And you forgets, that your country, your rules, if you want to execute all the drug mule, it is up to you, that if you you think you can win the war on drug with that. lol. Come back to me when you at least get rid of Opium growing business.

That's the idea. lol. My country, My government rules. I will.

 

[jhungary]

That's why it's called social media. That's why i call it social media outcry. It's in the Internet. Doh..
Did i said specifically talk about you, about your friend circle, and neighborhood? Even our another Australian member here can confirm and justify my view in the previous post. Why so upset? Let it slide.

A.) How do you know all those people from the comment section are from Australia? Because it said so on their profile
B.) How do you know that member is from Australia? Because he said he was from Melbourne??
C.) That member actually said what I said, this is what he said

Yes, these two young men committed a crime, i.e smuggling drugs. We don't have a problem with them being punished, in fact they should be punished. But we don't think that they deserved to die.

What he says is in effect, he have no problem Indonesian punishing the duo, but he have a problem with death penalty itself.

So why are you so upset??

I can see that it is how it shoud happen according to you, and to the people that agree with your view. But i don't. You can bring up one or some articles, researchs, or pubications that suit your view, but then i can also bring up another articles, researchs, and publications that potray this issue from different angle, from different perspective, from different value and voice. Not a big deal.

That's the idea. lol. My country, My government rules. I will.

lol, again, if that's how you think you will win

Come back to me when your country are rid of drug problem, well, at least nobody is growing opium or making heroin in your country, then we can talk about how it success or fail, otherwise it's just empty talk.

And this would be the last post on you on this matter.