Indonesia executes drug convicts, sparks anger from Australia, Brazil

[jhungary]

jhungary is living in a "different" Australia. I disagree with him.

As an Aussie living in Melbourne, I can confirm that this is indeed big news here.

Many people held vigils last night for Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran.

Most of my office colleagues were p*ssed off by the action of the Indonesian government.

Yes, these two young men committed a crime, i.e smuggling drugs. We don't have a problem with them being punished, in fact they should be punished. But we don't think that they deserved to die.

In the past ten years, they have rehabilitated themselves. They were doing good things in the Bali jails. One became a minister helping others and the other became a painter. They taught English language and life skills to fellow Indonesian prisoners. All news point to them doing good community services in the jails.

So why kill them? Letting them live is of more benefit to Indonesia.

An Australian travel agency has cancelled all Indonesian tours at the loss of about 15% of its revenue.
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lol I get it, you have your point of view, and I am not saying the execution is not the big news here, but most Australian did not jump up and down saying Indonesian Right to executing Chan and Sukumaran, but the practice of death penality of indeed any country, (US, China, Singapore)

As I said with my reply with another Indonesian Member, as a person who don't believe in death penalty, I found that I am displeased with Indonesia Executing the duo, but do I have a problem with what Indonesian did? What they did is their business, what I think about Death Penalty is another matter.

Even you said so yourselves, you have no problem Indonesia punishing the duos. What you have a problem with is not the Indonesian, but the death penalty itself.

In case you do not know, you are actually supporting my point.

 

[Djinn]

Executing people for possessing or smuggling drugs, never really made any sense to me. Do these countries also execute people for possessing weapons? Because if comparisons are to be drawn, guns take lives in the blink of an eye, so whats really the "rationale" behind such strict attitude towards narcotics?

 

[truthseeker2010]

lol, you lot don't really know what's going on.

The Australia are NOT DISPLEASED to see Indonesian Government execute their Citizens. A Sky news Program aired this morning around the same time of execution have cover issue.

The Australian is crying foul on the information exchange leads to the execution.

People need to know, the arrest of Bali Nine by the Indonesian Police were instructed by the AFP (Australian Federal police) after the Australian pass out information about the Bali Activities, where the AFP could have wait until the Bali 9 to board the plane and fly to Australia and net them there, Indonesia do not know nor understand the operational detail of Bali 9 before the arrest and the information sharing.

Now, what pissing Australian off is that the way AFP handle this incident, why they have to notify the Indonesian Authority and arrest the 9 and risk them facing death penalty but not wait until they came back to Australia?? While this is an EXPORT operation by the bali 9, it have miminal interest to Indonesian Government

One possible scenario (As no one actually knows) is that Indonesian Authority promise not to pursued Death Sentence to the arrestee and the Ringleader (Chan and Sukumaran) would be indicted back to Australia so they can go after the head of the organisation, this is not to be and by executing the ring leader, our FM think the Indonesian back track their promise and this is not how diplomacy is played.

Do notice that we have Australian on death row in China, Singapore, Malaysia and in South America, we are not protesting those??

so the issue here is that indonesian authorities did not follow the afp orders, that was to hand them back so they could be tried in Aus?

 

[moisrar47]

Good work.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Executing people for possessing or smuggling drugs, never really made any sense to me. Do these countries also execute people for possessing weapons? Because if comparisons are to be drawn, guns take lives in the blink of an eye, so whats really the "rationale" behind such strict attitude towards narcotics?

I believe it will become make sense to you once you get here with 18lb heroin strapped on your body. Then this discussion will become so much relevant to you.

Gun possession is limited and restricted. No one can freely possess guns here.

so the issue here is that indonesian authorities did not follow the afp orders, that was to hand them back so they could be tried in Aus?

Why should indonesian authorities follow AFP orders?

 

[truthseeker2010]

Why sould indonesian authorities follow AFP orders?

what is the issue then? why is austrailian ambassador called back, and brazil is also protesting.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

understandable and expected overreaction from Australian and brazilian side.

 

[Indos]

In Indonesia, many HIV sufferer get the virus from injecting heroin together with friends using non sterile injection syringe. One of my neighbor died young because of that.

I have seen kid who died because of HIV from parent who is a drug addict. Seeing a kid around 6-7 years like a skeleton because of HIV infection from drug addict parent is something that make this punishment get some reasonable and moral back up.

 

[jhungary]

so the issue here is that indonesian authorities did not follow the afp orders, that was to hand them back so they could be tried in Aus?

Well, that's actually an guess work, it's all circumstantial.

But as I said, I was watching Sky news yesterday right about the time they are executing the Bali Duo, an "intelligence expert" come to the news room and talk about the AFP and the connection with Bali 9

The expert said, one scenario involved the AFP have an active information agreement with the Indonesian authority, most likely for asylum seeker issue and the information of the Bali 9 was exchanged because of this.

The fact to the matter is, the Bali 9 Operation is an export operation FROM Indonesia and the Indonesian authority have not idea the Bali 9 and their operation prior to the Information exchanged. And since this is an export (Drug going out of Indonesia) Indonesia would have minimal interest in case like that. Now these are all facts.

So, what that expert said, a possible scenario is, AFP should have some kind of agreement with the Indonesian authority to not pursuit the death penalty and maybe even an extradition agreement with them so they can be coming back and point the finger to the head of operation.

Simply because it's quite stupid for AFP to allow this to happen in Indonesia and resulting them to be executed, a dead man won't talk, Not to mention it put Australian at risk. So it's quite logical for AFP to negotiate some sort of deal with Indonesia before handing those intel.

Now, it could be either this, or the AFP is some kind of moronic agency who don't think before handing out intel and don't really care about getting the head of operation. Or the Indonesian indeed have an agreement with AFP and back tracked it. Cause now those two people were dead, the AFP would not have anything to go on and find the head honcho in this case.

So...many people feel that AFP drop the ball in this case. I would not say this is an AFP order, they have no authority to order the Indonesian Authority, I think, If this indeed what happened, it would have been a so called "Gentlemen Agreement"

 

[truthseeker2010]

Well, that's actually an guess work, it's all circumstantial.

But as I said, I was watching Sky news yesterday right about the time they are executing the Bali Duo, an "intelligence expert" come to the news room and talk about the AFP and the connection with Bali 9

The expert said, one scenario involved the AFP have an active information agreement with the Indonesian authority, most likely for asylum seeker issue and the information of the Bali 9 was exchanged because of this.

The fact to the matter is, the Bali 9 Operation is an export operation FROM Indonesia and the Indonesian authority have not idea the Bali 9 and their operation prior to the Information exchanged. And since this is an export (Drug going out of Indonesia) Indonesia would have minimal interest in case like that. Now these are all facts.

So, what that expert said, a possible scenario is, AFP should have some kind of agreement with the Indonesian authority to not pursuit the death penalty and maybe even an extradition agreement with them so they can be coming back and point the finger to the head of operation.

Simply because it's quite stupid for AFP to allow this to happen in Indonesia and resulting them to be executed, a dead man won't talk, Not to mention it put Australian at risk. So it's quite logical for AFP to negotiate some sort of deal with Indonesia before handing those intel.

Now, it could be either this, or the AFP is some kind of moronic agency who don't think before handing out intel and don't really care about getting the head of operation. Or the Indonesian indeed have an agreement with AFP and back tracked it. Cause now those two people were dead, the AFP would not have anything to go on and find the head honcho in this case.

So...many people feel that AFP drop the ball in this case. I would not say this is an AFP order, they have no authority to order the Indonesian Authority, I think, If this indeed what happened, it would have been a so called "Gentlemen Agreement"

I believe that agreement is over if there was any, because from the steps taken by calling back the ambassador is a very rare one, but aus will need some sort of mechanism for asylum and illegal migrants coming from indonesia. Why didn't the AFP didn't called for extradition during trial? or there wasn't any trial? apologies because i don't know much about the history of this case, just catched it now after so much uproar.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Whatever intelligence cooperation that taken place at that time between AFP and Indonesian authority, will not change the result. You come to our airport with 18lb heroin bags strapped on your body, then you're done.

Do you think we can't detect these heroin packege by ourselves? How about other case of heroin, cocaine, and drug arrest that taken place all over Indonesian airport? Is this also the result of AFP intellegence work?

I don't think so.

 

[frequency]

anyone knows how many indonesians are on death row in overseas?

Apparently not enough. When you see an Indonesian heading home to Indonesia, just slip some drugs in his/her carry-ons then watch the news the next day to confirm their dead bodies.

In fact, I should write an instruction on how to kill an Indonesian, quick and easy way.

Whatever intelligence cooperation that taken place at that time between AFP and Indonesian authority, will not change the result. You come to our airport with 18lb heroin bags strapped on your body, then you're done.

Do you think we can't detect these heroin packege by ourselves? How about other case of heroin, cocaine, and drug arrest that taken place all over Indonesian airport? Is this also the result of AFP intellegence work?

I don't think so.

You're an idiot. No offence.

 

[DarkElf]

Related news, now thing getting interesting, let's wait and see what going to happen.
Australian Peter Gardner faces death as China drug trafficking case fast-tracked | Daily Mail Online

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Apparently not enough. When you see an Indonesian heading home to Indonesia, just slip some drugs in his/her carry-ons then watch the news the next day to confirm their dead bodies. In fact, I should write an instruction on how to kill an Indonesian, quick and easy way.

Go get yourself an overdose and save us all the troubles.

 

[katarabhumi]

Executing people for possessing or smuggling drugs, never really made any sense to me. Do these countries also execute people for possessing weapons? Because if comparisons are to be drawn, guns take lives in the blink of an eye, so whats really the "rationale" behind such strict attitude towards narcotics?

We are in the state of emergency. They now selling drugs to kids in elementary school here. They are poisoning our future generation.