Indonesia Defence Forum

[pr1v4t33r]

Although the radicals are on the rise, they are still minority. Miniscule compared to the muslim majority in Indonesia. Yet for some cases, their interest are tangled together just like what we saw on 411. Thus we need to untie the knot and separate them so that the radicals and other political actors can't ride the wave of majority for their own gain.

 

[mandala]

Tarantula 6x6 of the Indonesian Army 9th Cavalry Battalion. Credit to Yonkav 9.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMfzZXcBCtm/

 

[Su-35SM3 Flanker-N]

No, it's the opposite. The moslem majority opresses the minority. An Islamic disease like FPI should be an obvious example. Other examples includes wahhabists.

Disagree....if you want to see Indonesian muslims, look at NU and Muhammadiyah. My family comes from the latter. FPI is like a tiny ant in comparison. In fact, higher education institutions of Muhammadiyah in Papua and NTT provinces are attended mostly by non-muslims. Non-muslims can aspire high in Indonesia, just like what Mr. Luhut has achieved today. No problem......

 

[nametag]

Hardliners are only a minority among the moslem population in Indonesia. And among those hardliners only a tiny fraction are truly radicals/terrorist. most hardliners only talk loud, but they talk a lot and the most noisy giving the perception that they are a majority which they're not.

plus, IMHO many so called hardliners organization in indonesia are actually thugs, almost similar to organized crime like yakuza. the so called "Ormas", although they are based on religion like FPI, or Pancasila like PP, and others. in reality most extort money from population, involve in blackmail, bribing and fraud. many have connections with politicians and officials. And by politicians and political parties these ormas/organization are used for their political agenda. The use of Religion, nationalism, racism, anti-foreign sentiment,etc are mostly used only as a cover.

 

[Nike]

Disagree....if you want to see Indonesian muslims, look at NU and Muhammadiyah. My family comes from the latter. FPI is like a tiny ant in comparison. In fact, higher education institutions of Muhammadiyah in Papua and NTT provinces are attended mostly by non-muslims. Non-muslims can aspire high in Indonesia, just like what Mr. Luhut has achieved today. No problem......

the radicals call themselves as Muslim when they are conducting their terror acts and suppressing the minorities, in the view of the ones who is being oppressed the one who attacking them is came as Muslim first not yhe other faith, meanwhile the majority yet moderates ones just keep silent or keep have not my business attitudes about the so called "minority" acts. This kind of attitudes is actually very dangerous in the long runs. The moderates should expressing their voices more and limiting the radicals movement by real actions.

 

[skyhigh88]

Disagree....if you want to see Indonesian muslims, look at NU and Muhammadiyah. My family comes from the latter. FPI is like a tiny ant in comparison. In fact, higher education institutions of Muhammadiyah in Papua and NTT provinces are attended mostly by non-muslims. Non-muslims can aspire high in Indonesia, just like what Mr. Luhut has achieved today. No problem......

The problem is that FPI and other similar organizations are gaining more followers everday now. since they are getiing more "political support".. If no one will put a stop to this madness then soon God forbid they might have a bigger power than NU or Muhammadiah and will bring chaos to the country with their twisted way of thinking..

 

[pr1v4t33r]

The problem is that FPI and other similar organizations are gaining more followers everday now. since they are getiing more "political support".. If no one will put a stop to this madness then soon God forbid they might have a bigger power than NU or Muhammadiah and will bring chaos to the country with their twisted way of thinking..

Nah, when that time comes, what would happen is the cleasing of radicals!

 

[skyhigh88]

the radicals call themselves as Muslim when they are conducting their terror acts and suppressing the minorities, in the view of the ones who is being oppressed the one who attacking them is came as Muslim first not yhe other faith, meanwhile the majority yet moderates ones just keep silent or keep have not my business attitudes about the so called "minority" acts. This kind of attitudes is actually very dangerous in the long runs. The moderates should expressing their voices more and limiting the radicals movement by real actions.

Its time for the "majority moderate muslims to stop this smaller extrimist ones from giving bad names to the religion".. Every religion has its own extremist group or ideologi and its has to be dealt with from within..

Nah, when that time comes, what would happen is the cleasing of radicals!

I hope that time will never come but when it comes then NKRI harga mati shall be uphold at all costs

Việt Nam, Indonesia to bolster security ties
Vietnamnews
Update: November, 21/2016 - 10:15

President Trần Đại Quang meets Indonesian Vice President Jusuf Kalla in Lima, Peru, on November 18. — Photo vov.vn

LIMA — President Trần Đại Quang and Indonesian Vice President Jusuf Kalla have agreed to deepen bilateral collaboration in marine security and fighting terrorism and organised crime.

The two reached the agreement at their meeting in Lima, Peru, on November 18, on the sidelines of the 24th High-level Week of the Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation Forum from November 17-20.

They also agreed to strengthen co-ordination at multilateral forums, especially in maintaining regional and global peace and stability, and promoting effort to address disputes in the East Sea peacefully.

Quang proposed Việt Nam and Indonesia soon hold the seventh meeting of the joint committee to seek specific measures towards achieving US$10 billion in bilateral trade by 2018.

He asked Indonesia to treat detained Vietnamese fishermen humanely in the spirit of the two countries’ friendship.

The Vietnamese President extended an invitation to visit Việt Nam in 2017 to Indonesian President Joko Widodo.

Vice President Jusuf Kalla confirmed that Indonesia wants to increase co-operation with Việt Nam, especially in people-to-people and business exchanges. — VNS

Read more at http://vietnamnews.vn/politics-laws...olster-security-ties.html#RWjXrQxlHrX1tr7K.99

 

[Boss Dragun]

the radicals call themselves as Muslim when they are conducting their terror acts and suppressing the minorities, in the view of the ones who is being oppressed the one who attacking them is came as Muslim first not yhe other faith, meanwhile the majority yet moderates ones just keep silent or keep have not my business attitudes about the so called "minority" acts. This kind of attitudes is actually very dangerous in the long runs. The moderates should expressing their voices more and limiting the radicals movement by real actions.

The real problem is the lack of national identity. Those people who were tied by the leash created from their own religion very so often put their religion first over anything else, let alone their own country. In so far, the slogan of "nkri harga mati" is nothing more than a word to satisfy own's pride. If people value their land and sea more so than what their own religion dictates them to be, then such incident would never happened as all of us belonged in to the same place. The likes of Di/Tii, GAM, and lots of terrorist/separatist group were born because the lack of national identity. And it is precisely why they never truly died since people with the same religion often times reluctant to put them into justice because in the end they have the same faith and hoping that they can change somehow as the time goes by. Such mentality is prevalent in the country. People were being "too nice" (hint : sarcasm) to believe that some people can actually change at all.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

While NKRI is harga mati. We still have to understand that Indonesia is basically fragmented. Keep this truth close to our heart, and show some humility, respect and understanding whenever we interact with others knowing full well that we are different! Yet we are One.

 

[skyhigh88]

Mengenal Sanca, Teknologi Militer Anti Ranjau Karya Anak Bangsa

CNN Indonesia
Published on Nov 20, 2016

Teknologi Militer Karya Anak Bangsa
Pada pertempuran modern, teknologi menjadi kunci kemenangan. Setidaknya itu yang ingin digaungkan PT Pindad sebagai perusahaan penghasil senjata. Selain baru meluncurkan mobil perang baru bernama Sanca, PT Pindad sekarang juga fokus pada pertahanan Cyber. Berikut laporannya untuk anda.

Ikuti berita dengan kemasan internasional berbahasa Indonesia di www.cnnindonesia.com dan channel CNN Indonesia di Transvision.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Mengenal Sanca, Teknologi Militer Anti Ranjau Karya Anak Bangsa

Karya anak bangsa Australia


Military to deploy personnel in Enggano outlying island

Rejang Lebong, Bengkulu (ANTARA News) - The Indonesian military (TNI) will deploy a platoon of soldiers to guard the outermost island of Enggano off western Sumatra, a military officer said.

"To guard the sovereignty of the Unitary Republic of Indonesia, we will deploy soldiers from the Jaya Yudha 144 Infantry Battalion in Enggano island which is one of the countrys outlying islands and has strategic location," the commander of Garuda Mas Military Resort Command 041 in Bengkulu province, Colonel Andi Muhammad said on Sunday.

The personnel deployed to the 402.6 square kilometer island which is located in the Indian Ocean will be rotated, he said.

He said the soldiers will be deployed to the island next year.

Although the island has had sub-district military command, the number of personnel deployed to the island must be at least equal to a platoon of soldiers in view of its inhabitants, size, geographical location and social conditions, he said.

"The soldiers who will be assigned in Enggano Island will provide (inhabitants) with territorial guidance," he said.

Since Enggano is one of the countrys outlying islands, the state will unlikely turns its blind eye to the possibility of other units in the Sriwijaya Regional Military Command II guarding the island in the future, he said.

Enggano is one of the 92 officially listed outlying islands of Indonesia.

http://www.antaranews.com/en/news/107918/military-to-deploy-personnel-in-enggano-outlying-island

 

[skyhigh88]

Karya anak bangsa Australia

Hahaha.. biasa wartawan lebay kan

 

[ardezzo]

which points Ahok is clearly breaching? had u seen the Video? even if he is wrong in saying that, he is clearly rightly had made a honest public apologies even before the MUI declared their fatwa, far before the 4 November mass demonstration happened but still the MUI declared the fatwa, is our religion is so vengevul not to accept such apologies? even Ahmad Dhani who is clearly abusing so much of Islamic symbol in the past is getting out of this kind of matter without harms, Why must Ahok right now? the issue had much political content than the religious ones, the expression of mass demonstration against Ahok is clearly

I watch the video, the long version without subtitle.
language expert already explained his fault

You want a Definition, I gave you one. Now you said you already know it. Are you playing dumb with me?

No, it's the opposite. The moslem majority opresses the minority. An Islamic disease like FPI should be an obvious example. Other examples includes wahhabists.

my question lies within the next line, "what is this all about?" Coz, he suddenly bring up takfiri term, a word that often used by Syiah to their Sunni counterpart.

Wahhabist is also a vaque term, usually used by JIL (liberallist) members to those who disaggree with them.

Although the radicals are on the rise, they are still minority. Miniscule compared to the muslim majority in Indonesia. Yet for some cases, their interest are tangled together just like what we saw on 411. Thus we need to untie the knot and separate them so that the radicals and other political actors can't ride the wave of majority for their own gain.

I agree, the radicals is minority, they is not capable to conduct 411 rally.

 

[Jakartans@PkDef]

Hardliners are only a minority among the moslem population in Indonesia. And among those hardliners only a tiny fraction are truly radicals/terrorist. most hardliners only talk loud, but they talk a lot and the most noisy giving the perception that they are a majority which they're not.

plus, IMHO many so called hardliners organization in indonesia are actually thugs, almost similar to organized crime like yakuza. the so called "Ormas", although they are based on religion like FPI, or Pancasila like PP, and others. in reality most extort money from population, involve in blackmail, bribing and fraud. many have connections with politicians and officials. And by politicians and political parties these ormas/organization are used for their political agenda. The use of Religion, nationalism, racism, anti-foreign sentiment,etc are mostly used only as a cover.

There will always be a small numbers of HARDLINERS and large numbers of SILENT MAJORITY

The problem is, you only need 1 to 5 hardliner to kill hundreds of people like in Bali bombing.
1 hardliner is too many while millions of silent majority is nothing.