Indonesia Defence Forum

[Fsjal]

The Rhan 122 Rocket Used by the Army Field Artillery and The Marines

What is the range?

 

[Banglar Lathial]

1. Is LAPAN still on track for its satellite launcher tests in 2014? What is the expected payload to space? 30 kg?


2. What happened to the 35,000 tonne LHD (modified star-50)? Any progress on it?

3. Why does not Indonesia Navy (TNI-AL) procure, design or develop any DDGHM/DDG/etc? You have such a large maritime exclusive economic zone, you can easily operate 18 to 20 DDGs without raising any eyebrows anywhere.

You could take a look at the FREMM frigate (about as capable as a destroyer) purchased by a much smaller Morocco (about 1/8 Indonesia's GDP, about 1/8 Indonesia's population). Displacing about 6,000 tonnes, these vessels also come equipped with relatively advanced Franco-Italian sensors (from Thales and others), the Western world's first active radar homing and the world's first PIF (pilotage en force) capable AAW missiles. These Aster-30 can endure accelerations of up to 50G!


4. Are you capable of developing and integrating AAM (Air to Air missiles) and ASM (air to surface missiles) on your F-16 from America? This is crucial. Otherwise, your planes will be "cats without claws".



5. Best of luck to our brothers and sisters from Indonesia and around the world. We are glad whenever you progress. It is as if we have also progressed when you progressed, and when you are hurt, it is as if we are also hurt.

 

[Nike]

1. Is LAPAN still on track for its satellite launcher tests in 2014? What is the expected payload to space? 30 kg?


2. What happened to the 35,000 tonne LHD (modified star-50)? Any progress on it?

3. Why does not Indonesia Navy (TNI-AL) procure, design or develop any DDGHM/DDG/etc? You have such a large maritime exclusive economic zone, you can easily operate 18 to 20 DDGs without raising any eyebrows anywhere.

You could take a look at the FREMM frigate (about as capable as a destroyer) purchased by a much smaller Morocco (about 1/8 Indonesia's GDP, about 1/8 Indonesia's population). Displacing about 6,000 tonnes, these vessels also come equipped with relatively advanced Franco-Italian sensors (from Thales and others), the Western world's first active radar homing and the world's first PIF (pilotage en force) capable AAW missiles. These Aster-30 can endure accelerations of up to 50G!


4. Are you capable of developing and integrating AAM (Air to Air missiles) and ASM (air to surface missiles) on your F-16 from America? This is crucial. Otherwise, your planes will be "cats without claws".



5. Best of luck to our brothers and sisters from Indonesia and around the world. We are glad whenever you progress. It is as if we have also progressed when you progressed, and when you are hurt, it is as if we are also hurt.

Let me answer your question,

1. First, yes Lapan is still on track to develop some platform rocket for our space program, right now they are in co development with other space agency from other countries, especially Isro agency from India.

2.Nope, this project had been scraped several years ago because that's not meet military requirement we are needed. Right now TNI AL is focusing to catch the number of surface combatant platform we are direly needed, as our government had set of target for 2024 up to 60 numbers of big surface combatant platform like corvette, fregate and destroyer. And numbering about 240 if we are include Auxilliary (LST,LHD,Oiler, replenishment ship, tug boat, and so on),small and big patrol boat (like KCR and OPV programs) and Submarine fleet, right now we are stuck in 150 something platform numbers.

3. To procure such expensive items like destroyer or modern frigate like FREMM, De Zeven Provincien class, F125 or KDX II in such number we had consider about it since a long time ago. But once more we must to thinking about budgeting and maintenance cost of that monster.
Indonesia right now, is trying to balancing about their military spending and economic progress. We don't wanna our military spending hinder our economic growth. And this effort had come fruitfully lately when our economic progress allowed us to spend more money on military even when we compare that with our GDP is still less than 1 % from our current GDP. For your information Indonesia in this fiscal year had allocated about 8,2 billion US dollar on military spending, and that's not alone our government had allocated special budget to support military procurement and modernization about 15 billion US dollar for 5 fiscal years which have been started since 2009,and still our military spending is below 1 % of our GDP (about 0,82 % this years). And even when compared to others countries like Egypt, Pakistan,Vietnam,Qatar, and other countries our military spending is still quite large at all. As far as i know, in MEF phase two, Indonesia maybe will procure such items when our budget had allowed it to happen. Insya Allah.

4. To develop such capability alone is beyond what Indonesia right now is capable of. Right now we must rely from others country such as USA and Russia to supply us with that missile and integrated those missile system with our current combat platform. But right now Indonesia is trying to develop such capability with foreign assists, and we had projecting to had such indigenous airborne cruise missiles, ground attack missile, JDAM equivalent and so on in 2020 forward.

5. Ameen, and thank you for your attention to Indonesian military progress.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Pindad shows of SPR2 Sniper rifle that can reach a target of 1,8km

Pindad Sniper Rifle (Ajeng/ detikcom)

Jakarta - defense products made ​​in the country are equally as good as an imported one, one of which is the PINDAD Sniper Rifle SPR-2. it could reach a maximum target of 1.8 km.

PT Pindad made rifle (Limited) Bandung is one type of weapon on display in the exhibition launch event security and defense technology products at BPPT Building II, Jl MH Thamrin, Jakarta, Monday (06/24/2013).

"SPR-2 Sniper rifle is very good, much better than other sniper rifle of its type," said staff PT Pindad, Hendani, told AFP.

Followed by Hendani, this type of weapon was even able to shoot accurately from a maximum distance of 1.8 km. With a weight of around 16 kg, this weapon can also be fitted with a silencer.

In addition, the pistol grip is also made ​​of a polymer material, so it is quite comfortable when used.

With an overall length of 1,545 mm, Sniper Rifle weapon PINDAD SPR-2 has a firing velocity reaching 850 m / s.

detikNews : Pindad Pamer Senapan Sniper SPR-2, Bisa Jangkau Sasaran 1,8 Km

 

[Banglar Lathial]

Let me answer your question,

1. First, yes Lapan is still on track to develop some platform rocket for our space program, right now they are in co development with other space agency from other countries, especially Isro agency from India.

2.Nope, this project had been scraped several years ago because that's not meet military requirement we are needed. Right now TNI AL is focusing to catch the number of surface combatant platform we are direly needed, as our government had set of target for 2024 up to 60 numbers of big surface combatant platform like corvette, fregate and destroyer. And numbering about 240 if we are include Auxilliary (LST,LHD,Oiler, replenishment ship, tug boat, and so on),small and big patrol boat (like KCR and OPV programs) and Submarine fleet, right now we are stuck in 150 something platform numbers.

3. To procure such expensive items like destroyer or modern frigate like FREMM, De Zeven Provincien class, F125 or KDX II in such number we had consider about it since a long time ago. But once more we must to thinking about budgeting and maintenance cost of that monster.
Indonesia right now, is trying to balancing about their military spending and economic progress. We don't wanna our military spending hinder our economic growth. And this effort had come fruitfully lately when our economic progress allowed us to spend more money on military even when we compare that with our GDP is still less than 1 % from our current GDP. For your information Indonesia in this fiscal year had allocated about 8,2 billion US dollar on military spending, and that's not alone our government had allocated special budget to support military procurement and modernization about 15 billion US dollar for 5 fiscal years which have been started since 2009,and still our military spending is below 1 % of our GDP (about 0,82 % this years). And even when compared to others countries like Egypt, Pakistan,Vietnam,Qatar, and other countries our military spending is still quite large at all. As far as i know, in MEF phase two, Indonesia maybe will procure such items when our budget had allowed it to happen. Insya Allah.

4. To develop such capability alone is beyond what Indonesia right now is capable of. Right now we must rely from others country such as USA and Russia to supply us with that missile and integrated those missile system with our current combat platform. But right now Indonesia is trying to develop such capability with foreign assists, and we had projecting to had such indigenous airborne cruise missiles, ground attack missile, JDAM equivalent and so on in 2020 forward.

5. Ameen, and thank you for your attention to Indonesian military progress.

Thank you very much for the information.

I think Indonesia's military spending is too low at the moment, you can spend much more. All of your descriptions sound good, except collaboration with Hindustan (the eternal enemies of Muslims) for your space programme. I hope you find alternative partners, but that's my personal preference, you can work with your choice, no compulsion.

Best of luck to our brothers and sisters in Indonesia, and I hope for the very best for you. Still, 1% of GDP expenditure compared to Korea, Australia, Singapore, Vietnam, Hindustan (eternal enemies of Muslims), so called "Israel", USA, France, Russia and many other is too low. I think Indonesia can spend more and procure destroyers easily. Morocco is much smaller than Indonesia, with a lower GDP, smaller population, and even they have procured a 6,000 tonne (Aster 30 equipped) French FREMM frigate (almost the same as a destroyer).

 

[Zarvan]

Pindad shows of SPR2 Sniper rifle that can reach a target of 1,8km

Pindad Sniper Rifle (Ajeng/ detikcom)

Jakarta - defense products made ​​in the country are equally as good as an imported one, one of which is the PINDAD Sniper Rifle SPR-2. it could reach a maximum target of 1.8 km.

PT Pindad made rifle (Limited) Bandung is one type of weapon on display in the exhibition launch event security and defense technology products at BPPT Building II, Jl MH Thamrin, Jakarta, Monday (06/24/2013).

"SPR-2 Sniper rifle is very good, much better than other sniper rifle of its type," said staff PT Pindad, Hendani, told AFP.

Followed by Hendani, this type of weapon was even able to shoot accurately from a maximum distance of 1.8 km. With a weight of around 16 kg, this weapon can also be fitted with a silencer.

In addition, the pistol grip is also made ​​of a polymer material, so it is quite comfortable when used.

With an overall length of 1,545 mm, Sniper Rifle weapon PINDAD SPR-2 has a firing velocity reaching 850 m / s.

detikNews : Pindad Pamer Senapan Sniper SPR-2, Bisa Jangkau Sasaran 1,8 Km

By the way guys please start a thread on Ramadan in Indonesia and discuss how you prepare for it what food you use in Aftar and Sehr and How about Mosques how much they get filled and other things and please again my brothers develop Air Force

 

[nufix]

By the way guys please start a thread on Ramadan in Indonesia and discuss how you prepare for it what food you use in Aftar and Sehr and How about Mosques how much they get filled and other things and please again my brothers develop Air Force

Of course, but maybe we will be using the economy and social development thread.

 

[Zarvan]

Of course, but maybe we will be using the economy and social development thread.

I know that I just wanted to know so I wrote here

 

[Nike]

Thank you very much for the information.

I think Indonesia's military spending is too low at the moment, you can spend much more. All of your descriptions sound good, except collaboration with Hindustan (the eternal enemies of Muslims) for your space programme. I hope you find alternative partners, but that's my personal preference, you can work with your choice, no compulsion.

Best of luck to our brothers and sisters in Indonesia, and I hope for the very best for you. Still, 1% of GDP expenditure compared to Korea, Australia, Singapore, Vietnam, Hindustan (eternal enemies of Muslims), so called "Israel", USA, France, Russia and many other is too low. I think Indonesia can spend more and procure destroyers easily. Morocco is much smaller than Indonesia, with a lower GDP, smaller population, and even they have procured a 6,000 tonne (Aster 30 equipped) French FREMM frigate (almost the same as a destroyer).

For your info, Indonesia is not a Moslem countries, we are a democratic country in which using Pancasila as our ideology to unite all of our people which had so many cultures, so many religion (Islam,hindu,Kong hu chu, Buddhist, Christian, Protestan, animism, syncretism,even Jews),so many races and so on under one banner The Red and White Flag. Without Pancasila i don't think Indonesia can keep their unity together. Even my deceased great grandfather is a Japs. and when he still a live he had used Shintoism as his devotion.

I hope India can give us Space and rocket technologies as much as they can provide to us and we can learn it as much. I think India-Indonesia relations is warm and we are friendly to each other. And for your information, in Cyber and military field technology and satellite technology Indonesia has a long-long welcoming relations with the Israelis. They had supply us with so much hi tech items and supervision in several communication and military project in Indonesia.

 

[Fsjal]

For your info, Indonesia is not a Moslem countries, we are a democratic country in which using Pancasila as our ideology to unite all of our people which had so many cultures, so many religion (Islam,hindu,Kong hu chu, Buddhist, Christian, Protestan, animism, syncretism,even Jews),so many races and so on under one banner The Red and White Flag. Without Pancasila i don't think Indonesia can keep their unity together. Even my deceased great grandfather is a Japs. and when he still a live he had used Shintoism as his devotion.

I hope India can give us Space and rocket technologies as much as they can provide to us and we can learn it as much. I think India-Indonesia relations is warm and we are friendly to each other. And for your information, in Cyber and military field technology and satellite technology Indonesia has a long-long welcoming relations with the Israelis. They had supply us with so much hi tech items and supervision in several communication and military project in Indonesia.

Why India?
How about Russia and China, which these nations are ahead of space and rocket tech than India.

 

[nufix]

Why India?
How about Russia and China, which these nations are ahead of space and rocket tech than India.

Simply because there are differences between Indian rocket and Chinese and Russian. India developed their rocket when they are not yet as powerful and rich as China when she developed and sent rocket to the space, from there Indonesia can learn efficient research budgeting. And as far as I know, neither China and Russia is interested and willingly to give the whole space-rocket technology, not even the U.S too. And then ISRO offered a transfer of technology to LAPAN (Indonesian Space Agency) and from that moment on, LAPAN is working closely with ISRO in developing rocket including the one that will be sent to space carrying satellites next year.

With China, Indonesia have been working closely in developing different kind of rocket, China is assisting Indonesia in developing missiles, especially anti-ship missiles and anti-air missiles under Russian supervision.

 

[Banglar Lathial]

Anyway, I would have liked to discuss more but on another thread. It's sad that Indonesia decided to please the Kuffar by taking help from so called "Israel", but yet the Kuffar do not award you with any "second tier power" tag, nor are you "allowed" to develop nuclear bombs and ballistic missiles (IRBM/MRBM/ICBM).

Best of luck to Indonesian brothers and sisters, in any case.

 

[Nike]

Anyway, I would have liked to discuss more but on another thread. It's sad that Indonesia decided to please the Kuffar by taking help from so called "Israel", but yet the Kuffar do not award you with any "second tier power" tag, nor are you "allowed" to develop nuclear bombs and ballistic missiles (IRBM/MRBM/ICBM).

Best of luck to Indonesian brothers and sisters, in any case.

calling other peoples or nations kuffar or kafir doesn't made us more rich neither getting strong militarily

it just getting their nerve

 

[Banglar Lathial]

calling other peoples or nations kuffar or kafir doesn't made us more rich neither getting strong militarily

it just getting their nerve

We do not need to call some people Kuffar or Kafir. If they are non Muslims, they are Kafir.

But, do you think Indonesia is capable of developing and deploying nuclear bombs on its domestically developed IRBM/MRBM while it is pleasing the Kuffar?

You see, the Kuffar will never trust you so long as you are Muslims, even if Muslims by name only.


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Anyway, I do not interfere in Indonesia's business. I wish you all the best of luck to our Indonesian brothers and sisters.

 

[nufix]

We do not need to call some people Kuffar or Kafir. If they are non Muslims, they are Kafir.

But, do you think Indonesia is capable of developing and deploying nuclear bombs on its domestically developed IRBM/MRBM while it is pleasing the Kuffar?

You see, the Kuffar will never trust you so long as you are Muslims, even if Muslims by name only.

Pleasing the Kuffar, actually we are pleasing ourselves, the world doesn't take us as enemy and our economy can keep on enlarging. By the way, Indonesia is not a Muslim countries, Indonesia doesn't have any obligation to object a country based on the religion that the people in that country devote. Not even our army girls should wear hijab or any religious symbols, but they are free to represent their religion by wearing them.

And the question should be like; Do we want nuclear bomb? Nope. South Koreans live side by side with the one with nuclear bombs and Kuffar too, does it make them make nuclear weapons? Nope, neither Japan or Germany. You see, it is not whether we are Muslims or not, it is about the will. Indonesia doesn't have a will to develop nuclear bomb, if we had the will, I'll make sure you know we have blasted it somewhere.

And isn't Bangladesh receiving military aids from Kuffar?