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[Gundala]

AS tak kabulkan F-35, malah tawarkan F-16 lawas

Buntut dari penolakan tersebut, dikabarkan AS malah menawarkan F-16C/D Fighting Falcon Block 32 untuk Indonesia. Padahal kita ketahui, seri tersebut merupakan seri lama yang sudah tidak diproduksi lagi. Block 32 merupakan varian F-16C/D yang diproduksi tahun 1986 dan berhenti diproduksi tahun 1989 untuk selanjutnya digantikan dengan Block 42.

Tawaran F-16 Block 32 (yang kemungkinan besar diambil dari stok eks USAF/AU Amerika Serikat) menyiratkan AS juga berat hati melepas F-16V Block 70/72 yang merupakan varian tercanggih F-16 yang masih diproduksi saat ini. Tak jelas apakah itu menandakan AS sebenarnya masih enggan melepas radar berteknologi AESA (active electronically-scanned array) ke Indonesia.

F-16 Block 32 sendiri memang bisa ditingkatkan kemampuan tempurnya (upgrade), bahkan sampai setara F-16V dengan penggantian radar dari APG-68 menjadi APG-83 berteknologi AESA. Usia strukturalnya pun masih bisa diperpanjang meski tentunya tak sepanjang F-16 baru. Namun seperti disebutkan tadi, ada tersirat keengganan AS melepas radar berteknologi AESA ke Indonesia.

Any tanggapan??

This is some clues from CNN we could look into;

"kita harus mempunyai pesawat tempur F-16 blok c 72 ini adalah pesawat tempur termutakhir sebelum kita mendapat F-35"

This statement indicate that we have to have F-16 block 70/72 with AESA radar as stepping stone. So I guess the Journalist might get it wrong.

" Sebagai gantinya, kata Luthfi, Amerika Serikat akan menawarkan beberapa seri F-16 kepada Indonesia dalam waktu dekat. Dalam sebuah pembicaraan ketika Prabowo Subianto melawat ke AS, kata dia, Indonesia juga akan ditawarkan pesawat tempur lain yang setara dengan seri F generasi keempat "

On this one it is clear that US will offer us different variants of F-16 for us to choose from. And I assume beside the brand new block 70/72 the other variants most likely come from used one.

About other Gen.4 F series they would be offering, the platform most likely going to be either F-15 or F/A-18. The wording "Setara" indicate that it might not be the Gen.4 fighter but really close to it. Which for me it means lacking of AESA radar.

I do tend to aggree with @Chestnut that the package might include mix of brand new block 70/72 and the used one which might be upgraded setara to our current F-16 most advanced one. For the other F series they are talking about most likely tend to fulfill the role of SU-35, they give us option to drop the SU-35 with similar platform capability without AESA radar. I am pretty sure US already been told the max budget for our current fighter purchase plan so they try to fulfill all those Heavy fighter + Med Fighter role we planning to get with mix of new/used AFFORDABLE package platform.

Giving the benefit of a doubt for Airspace review Journalist I think it might be related with SU-35 waiver. There might be some factions inside or outside the US government that might be worried if the AESA radar is standing side by side with SU-35 for security reason. Then the journalist "smell" this as US reluctancy.

Just my 2 cents speculation.....

 

[Chestnut]

There might be some factions inside or outside the US government that might be worried if the AESA radar is standing side by side with SU-35 for security reason.

I am fairly sure that the US is not afraid of selling us fighters with AESA capability, there are concerns sure but I don't think it's any different than the usual stuff from congress.

Considering our neighbors already operate the F-35 as well as AEGIS equipped ships, their concerns about parity balancing is pretty mute. If anything I just leave it off as the speculation of local journalists. An AESA package is really small when you compare it to a 5th gen.

 

[initial_d]

I doubt that.

F-16 Indonesia

TO DATE, 4,588 F-16S HAVE BEEN PRODUCED FOR 28 CUSTOMERS. THE F-16 CONTINUES TO EVOLVE TO STAY AHEAD OF EMERGING THREATS BY INCORPORATING COMBAT LESSONS-LEARNED AND CAPABILITIES DEVELOPED ON LOCKHEED MARTIN’S F-22 AND F-35.

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I think the old variant of F16 offer is because of the limited money that we have.

Yakin bukan karena lobby singapore spy kita ga dapat F-35 atau F-16 Blk70!?
Boleh ga sih beli falcon buluk terus diupgrade radar dan avionik haram??
Kalau emang 08 ga mau F-16 ya sudah mau ga mau Rafale

 

[trishna_amṛta]

Yakin bukan karena lobby singapore spy kita ga dapat F-35 atau F-16 Blk70!?

Ga ada kaitan lah ama Singkek. Juustru militer mereka diuntungkan secara tidak langsung, karna mereka punya alasan utk minta budget lebih besar kalau kita makin canggih

Boleh ga sih beli falcon buluk terus diupgrade radar dan avionik haram??

Yang jual pesawat yach ga mau rugi. Pinginnya nya yg jual pesawat pasti sepaket supaya dagangannya laku

 

[NEKONEKO]

Yakin bukan karena lobby singapore spy kita ga dapat F-35 atau F-16 Blk70!?

Keknya kecil kemungkinannya, kalau sampai terungkap beresiko merusak hubungan singapura dan indonesia, kalaupun khawatir indonesia punya F35 palingan dengan menyampaikan 'kekhawatiran' ke amrik secara tersirat.

karna mereka punya alasan utk minta budget lebih besar kalau kita makin canggih

Ga lah, mau dinaikin sampe berapa % gdp , anggaran buat yang lain kepotong dong.

 

[Fl0gger]

Exactly! its pretty doubtful with Scorpene. In most likely case we only getting more MBDA & Nexter products



That what i've said before that journalist in general isn't exactly the brightest the nation could offer. Although one of them is currently holding a rather big knive in my kitchen while she is giving me a rather inquisitive look



Kalau Viper (block 70) sich yakin lach pasti datang walaupun ga jelas brapa jumlahnya tapi kalau Pegasus ga yakin dech karna masih banyak masalahnya. Sedangkan kalau Poseidon memang paltform yg relatif sudah cukup mature jadi kemungkinan diambil, lagian kita juga butuh sekali. Sedangkan kalau KF-X kok tangkapan saya sepertinya sudah mendedkati bail out yach
Just checking US election count. So far its look like potential Biden win. I kinda have bad feeling with Biden win in regard to Indonesia procurement and regional situation.

Well we also have other option if thing goes "bad" with american that's why 08 goes to safari to europe, and french offer is better than the US.

 

[umigami]

This is some clues from CNN we could look into;

"kita harus mempunyai pesawat tempur F-16 blok c 72 ini adalah pesawat tempur termutakhir sebelum kita mendapat F-35"

This statement indicate that we have to have F-16 block 70/72 with AESA radar as stepping stone. So I guess the Journalist might get it wrong.

" Sebagai gantinya, kata Luthfi, Amerika Serikat akan menawarkan beberapa seri F-16 kepada Indonesia dalam waktu dekat. Dalam sebuah pembicaraan ketika Prabowo Subianto melawat ke AS, kata dia, Indonesia juga akan ditawarkan pesawat tempur lain yang setara dengan seri F generasi keempat "

On this one it is clear that US will offer us different variants of F-16 for us to choose from. And I assume beside the brand new block 70/72 the other variants most likely come from used one.

About other Gen.4 F series they would be offering, the platform most likely going to be either F-15 or F/A-18. The wording "Setara" indicate that it might not be the Gen.4 fighter but really close to it. Which for me it means lacking of AESA radar.

I do tend to aggree with @Chestnut that the package might include mix of brand new block 70/72 and the used one which might be upgraded setara to our current F-16 most advanced one. For the other F series they are talking about most likely tend to fulfill the role of SU-35, they give us option to drop the SU-35 with similar platform capability without AESA radar. I am pretty sure US already been told the max budget for our current fighter purchase plan so they try to fulfill all those Heavy fighter + Med Fighter role we planning to get with mix of new/used AFFORDABLE package platform.

Giving the benefit of a doubt for Airspace review Journalist I think it might be related with SU-35 waiver. There might be some factions inside or outside the US government that might be worried if the AESA radar is standing side by side with SU-35 for security reason. Then the journalist "smell" this as US reluctancy.

Just my 2 cents speculation.....

I don't know who's at fault here, bodrek journalists, or our Ambasador that Keseleo lidah because of his minimal knowledge of Military aviation but...
That "setara dengan seri F generasi keempat" statement was kind of ridiculous.
So they are not even a 4th gen fighter huh?!
What are they? F4 PHANTOM ?!!!!

I am fairly sure that the US is not afraid of selling us fighters with AESA capability, there are concerns sure but I don't think it's any different than the usual stuff from congress.

Considering our neighbors already operate the F-35 as well as AEGIS equipped ships, their concerns about parity balancing is pretty mute. If anything I just leave it off as the speculation of local journalists. An AESA package is really small when you compare it to a 5th gen.

With the AESA radar that are more and more common these day, is it really a Barang Mewah that need to be give to the best bro only?
I mean, even Bulgarian got it...

 

[HeyPaula1963]

AS tak kabulkan F-35, malah tawarkan F-16 lawas

Buntut dari penolakan tersebut, dikabarkan AS malah menawarkan F-16C/D Fighting Falcon Block 32 untuk Indonesia. Padahal kita ketahui, seri tersebut merupakan seri lama yang sudah tidak diproduksi lagi. Block 32 merupakan varian F-16C/D yang diproduksi tahun 1986 dan berhenti diproduksi tahun 1989 untuk selanjutnya digantikan dengan Block 42.

Tawaran F-16 Block 32 (yang kemungkinan besar diambil dari stok eks USAF/AU Amerika Serikat) menyiratkan AS juga berat hati melepas F-16V Block 70/72 yang merupakan varian tercanggih F-16 yang masih diproduksi saat ini. Tak jelas apakah itu menandakan AS sebenarnya masih enggan melepas radar berteknologi AESA (active electronically-scanned array) ke Indonesia.

F-16 Block 32 sendiri memang bisa ditingkatkan kemampuan tempurnya (upgrade), bahkan sampai setara F-16V dengan penggantian radar dari APG-68 menjadi APG-83 berteknologi AESA. Usia strukturalnya pun masih bisa diperpanjang meski tentunya tak sepanjang F-16 baru. Namun seperti disebutkan tadi, ada tersirat keengganan AS melepas radar berteknologi AESA ke Indonesia.

Any tanggapan??

The journalist only said "dikabarkan" which is no proof or anything. Better wait for more update to come.

 

[gondes]

F-16 Indonesia

TO DATE, 4,588 F-16S HAVE BEEN PRODUCED FOR 28 CUSTOMERS. THE F-16 CONTINUES TO EVOLVE TO STAY AHEAD OF EMERGING THREATS BY INCORPORATING COMBAT LESSONS-LEARNED AND CAPABILITIES DEVELOPED ON LOCKHEED MARTIN’S F-22 AND F-35. Enter the F-16 Block 72.

F-16 Block 72

The F-16 Block 72 is the latest version of the F-16 and delivers cutting-edge technology to the Indonesian Air Force (IDAF) in the most advanced F-16 configuration on the market today. The F-16 Block 70/72, the newest production versions of the F-16, combines advanced F-16 capability upgrades and structural upgrades:

• New capabilities based on the advanced F-16 Block 70/72 configuration
• Structural life more than 50 percent beyond that of previous production F-16 aircraft

The F-16 Block 72 configuration includes an advanced Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, and an array of the avionics technology infusion including mission computers and display processors, a large-format 6x8 high-resolution display, an internal electronic warfare system, a high-volume, high-speed data network and incorporates a sophisticated data link, which enables the IDAF to operate in a net-centric data environment.
Block 70/72 operational capabilities are further enhanced through an advanced datalink, targeting pod and weapons; precision GPS navigation and the Automatic Ground Collision Avoidance System (Auto GCAS).

Capabilities

The F-16 Block 72 provides advanced combat capabilities in a scalable and affordable package. The core of the F-16 Block 72 configuration is an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, a modern commercial off-the-shelf (COTS)-based avionics subsystem, a large-format, high-resolution display; and a high-volume, high-speed data bus. Operational capabilities are enhanced through a Link-16 Theater Data Link, Sniper Advanced Targeting Pod, advanced weapons, precision GPS navigation, and the Auto GCAS.
Advanced AESA Radar
Northrop Grumman’s advanced APG-83 AESA radar delivers greater situational awareness, flexibility and quicker all-weather targeting. The APG-83 provides pilots with unprecedented target area detail and digital map displays that can be tailored with slew and zoom features. The APG-83 provides F-16s with 5th Generation fighter radar capabilities by leveraging hardware and software commonality with F-22 and F-35 AESA radars.
Center Pedestal Display
Another key feature of the F-16 Block 72 configuration is the new Center Pedestal Display (CPD), which provides critical tactical imagery to pilots on a high-resolution 6”x 8” screen. The high-resolution display allows Pilot to take full advantage of AESA and Targeting Pod data. The new CPD enables color moving maps, larger and easier to manage air-to-air Situation Displays, zoom functionality with the ability to switch information among displays, and digital display of Flight Instrument Data. The CPD is also compatible with the Night Vision Imaging System (NVIS).
Cutting-edge Electronic Warfare System
The aircraft incorporates an internal Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare System (AIDEWS) Electronic Warfare (EW) System. This internal EW system is fully integrated with the other avionics subsystems and provides the pilot with robust situational awareness with the digital Radar Warning Receiver and powerful active jamming capabilities. This EW system also represent the most modern EW digital technology available, providing a secure electronic shield against anti-aircraft missiles and threats from enemy radars.
Advanced Weapons
Lockheed Martin has more than 36 years of weapon integration experience with the F-16. No other organization can match this weapons integration experience. In concert with the U.S. Air Force and multiple F-16 Foreign Military Sales customers, Lockheed Martin has certified more than 3,300 carriage and release configurations for more than 180 weapon and store types.

Sustainment

Continuous Modernization
Combined with planned service life extension program (SLEP) structural modifications, F-16 Block 70/72 capability upgrades ensure the F-16 can fly and fight to 2045 and beyond. The U.S. Air Force authorized extending the F-16’s service life to 12,000 hours, far beyond original 8,000-hour design service life.
Cost-Effective Capabilities
The F-16 continues to outperform its competitors in life-cycle cost, cost per flight hour, and fighter availability rates. The F-16’s low operating costs are 30-40 percent less than that of other 4th Generation platforms and three-four times less than larger twin-engine fighters.
Long-Term Sustainment
As a member of the global F-16 fighter community, the Indonesian Air Force (IDAF) will benefit from continuous modernization and the affordable sustainment opportunities enabled by a robust global supply chain committed to long-term sustainment solutions. With F-16s already in service today, the IDAF already has existing F-16 infrastructure, support equipment, repair capability, spares, trained pilots, and maintenance personnel.

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[HeyPaula1963]

F*ck.... This is the clear version of this mess

Ilustrasi (AP/Sven Hoppe)

Jakarta, CNN Indonesia --
Amerika Serikat dilaporkan belum berkenan menjual pesawat tempur F-35 kepada Indonesia. AS meminta Indonesia memiliki jet tempur generasi 4 dan 4.5 sebelum memiliki F-35 yang merupakan jet generasi 5.

Duta Besar Indonesia untuk AS Muhammad Lutfi mengatakan AS menawarkan Indonesia untuk membeli jet tempur generasi 4, yakni F-16 C/D Blok 32 sebagai peningkatan dari F-16 versi AB yang dimiliki Indonesia saat ini.

Sedangkan untuk jet tempur generasi 4.5, AS menawarkan Indonesia untuk membeli F-16 Block 72.

F-16 Blok 32
Melansir F-16 net, F-16 Blok 32 merupakan varian F-16 yang menggunakan mesin turbofan Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-220. Seperti Block 30, F-16 Block 32 dapat membawa sejumlah persenjataan, misalnya rudal anti pesawat AGM-45 Shrike, serta rudal udara ke permukaan AGM-88A HARM dan AGM-65 Maverick.

Manufaktur F-16 Blok 32 dimulai pada Januari 1986, dengan pengiriman pertama dilakukan pada Juli 1987. Produksi F-16 Blok 32 berakhir pada 1989. Selain digunakan angakatan udara AS, F-16 Blok 32 dimiliki Turki, Israel, Yunani, Mesir, dan Korea Selatan.

F-16 Blok 32 memiliki lebar sayap 9,4 meter, panjang 14,9 m, dan tinggi 4,8 m. Pesawat itu mampu terbang dengan kecepatan maksimum 1.247 mph (Mach 1,89) pada 40.000 kaki. Radius taktis 360 mil dan jangkauan maksimum 2.450 mil dengan bahan bakar eksternal maksimum.

F-16 Blok 72
Melansir Lockheed Martin, F-16 Blok 72 adalah versi terbaru dari F-16 yang diklaim menghadirkan teknologi mutakhir. F-16 Blok 72 menyediakan kemampuan tempur canggih dalam paket yang dapat diskalakan dan terjangkau.

Inti dari konfigurasi F-16 Block 72 adalah radar Active Electronically Scan Array (AESA), subsistem avionik berbasis commercial off-the-shelf (COTS), layar resolusi tinggi dalam format besar, serta data berkecepatan tinggi dan bervolume tinggi.

Kemampuan operasional F-16 Block 72 ditingkatkan melalui Link-16 Theater Data Link, Sniper Advanced Targeting Pod, senjata canggih, navigasi GPS presisi, dan Sistem Penghindaran Tabrakan Tanah Otomatis (Auto GCAS) .

F-16 Block 72 juga memiliki radar APG-83 AESA Northrop Grumman yang memberikan kesadaran situasional lebih besar, fleksibilitas, dan penargetan segala cuaca yang lebih cepat. APG-83 memberi pilot detail area target yang belum pernah terjadi sebelumnya dan tampilan peta digital yang dapat disesuaikan dengan fitur perubahan kecepatan dan zoom.

APG-83 memberi F-16 kemampuan radar tempur Generasi ke-5 dengan memanfaatkan kesamaan perangkat keras dan perangkat lunak dengan radar F-22 dan F-35 AESA.

Pesawat ini dilengkapi dengan Sistem Peperangan Elektronik (EW) Pertahanan Terintegrasi Terintegrasi Lanjutan (AIDEWS). Sistem EW internal itu sepenuhnya terintegrasi dengan subsistem avionik lain dan memberi pilot kesadaran situasional yang kuat dengan Radar Warning Receiver digital dan kemampuan gangguan aktif yang kuat.

Sistem EW ini juga mewakili teknologi digital EW paling modern yang tersedia, memberikan perisai elektronik yang aman terhadap rudal anti-pesawat dan ancaman dari radar musuh.

Fitur utama lain dari konfigurasi F-16 Block 72 adalah Center Pedestal Display (CPD) baru yang memberikan citra taktis kritis kepada pilot pada layar 6x8 inci resolusi tinggi. Tampilan resolusi tinggi memungkinkan pilot untuk memanfaatkan sepenuhnya data AESA dan Targeting Pod.

F-16 Blok 72 memiliki panjang 15 m, tinggi 5 m, dan lebar sayap 9,4 m. Pesawat itu diklaim memiliki kecepatan terbang 1.500 mph (March 2+).

CPD baru memungkinkan peta bergerak berwarna, lebih besar dan lebih mudah untuk mengelola situasi udara-ke-udara, fungsi zoom dengan kemampuan untuk mengalihkan informasi di antara tampilan, dan tampilan digital dari Data Instrumen Penerbangan. CPD juga kompatibel dengan Night Vision Imaging System (NVIS).

F-16 Blok 72 memastikan dapat terbang dan bertarung hingga tahun 2045 dan seterusnya. Angkatan Udara AS resmi memperpanjang masa pakai F-16 menjadi 12.000 jam, jauh melampaui masa pakai desain asli 8.000 jam.

Biaya pengoperasian F-16 Blok 72 diklaim 30-40 persen lebih murah dibandingkan platform Generasi ke-4.

(jps/eks)

 

[umigami]

F*ck.... This is the clear version of this mess

Ilustrasi (AP/Sven Hoppe)

Jakarta, CNN Indonesia --
Amerika Serikat dilaporkan belum berkenan menjual pesawat tempur F-35 kepada Indonesia. AS meminta Indonesia memiliki jet tempur generasi 4 dan 4.5 sebelum memiliki F-35 yang merupakan jet generasi 5.

Duta Besar Indonesia untuk AS Muhammad Lutfi mengatakan AS menawarkan Indonesia untuk membeli jet tempur generasi 4, yakni F-16 C/D Blok 32 sebagai peningkatan dari F-16 versi AB yang dimiliki Indonesia saat ini.

Sedangkan untuk jet tempur generasi 4.5, AS menawarkan Indonesia untuk membeli F-16 Block 72.

F-16 Blok 32
Melansir F-16 net, F-16 Blok 32 merupakan varian F-16 yang menggunakan mesin turbofan Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-220. Seperti Block 30, F-16 Block 32 dapat membawa sejumlah persenjataan, misalnya rudal anti pesawat AGM-45 Shrike, serta rudal udara ke permukaan AGM-88A HARM dan AGM-65 Maverick.

Manufaktur F-16 Blok 32 dimulai pada Januari 1986, dengan pengiriman pertama dilakukan pada Juli 1987. Produksi F-16 Blok 32 berakhir pada 1989. Selain digunakan angakatan udara AS, F-16 Blok 32 dimiliki Turki, Israel, Yunani, Mesir, dan Korea Selatan.

F-16 Blok 32 memiliki lebar sayap 9,4 meter, panjang 14,9 m, dan tinggi 4,8 m. Pesawat itu mampu terbang dengan kecepatan maksimum 1.247 mph (Mach 1,89) pada 40.000 kaki. Radius taktis 360 mil dan jangkauan maksimum 2.450 mil dengan bahan bakar eksternal maksimum.

F-16 Blok 72
Melansir Lockheed Martin, F-16 Blok 72 adalah versi terbaru dari F-16 yang diklaim menghadirkan teknologi mutakhir. F-16 Blok 72 menyediakan kemampuan tempur canggih dalam paket yang dapat diskalakan dan terjangkau.

Inti dari konfigurasi F-16 Block 72 adalah radar Active Electronically Scan Array (AESA), subsistem avionik berbasis commercial off-the-shelf (COTS), layar resolusi tinggi dalam format besar, serta data berkecepatan tinggi dan bervolume tinggi.

Kemampuan operasional F-16 Block 72 ditingkatkan melalui Link-16 Theater Data Link, Sniper Advanced Targeting Pod, senjata canggih, navigasi GPS presisi, dan Sistem Penghindaran Tabrakan Tanah Otomatis (Auto GCAS) .

F-16 Block 72 juga memiliki radar APG-83 AESA Northrop Grumman yang memberikan kesadaran situasional lebih besar, fleksibilitas, dan penargetan segala cuaca yang lebih cepat. APG-83 memberi pilot detail area target yang belum pernah terjadi sebelumnya dan tampilan peta digital yang dapat disesuaikan dengan fitur perubahan kecepatan dan zoom.

APG-83 memberi F-16 kemampuan radar tempur Generasi ke-5 dengan memanfaatkan kesamaan perangkat keras dan perangkat lunak dengan radar F-22 dan F-35 AESA.

Pesawat ini dilengkapi dengan Sistem Peperangan Elektronik (EW) Pertahanan Terintegrasi Terintegrasi Lanjutan (AIDEWS). Sistem EW internal itu sepenuhnya terintegrasi dengan subsistem avionik lain dan memberi pilot kesadaran situasional yang kuat dengan Radar Warning Receiver digital dan kemampuan gangguan aktif yang kuat.

Sistem EW ini juga mewakili teknologi digital EW paling modern yang tersedia, memberikan perisai elektronik yang aman terhadap rudal anti-pesawat dan ancaman dari radar musuh.

Fitur utama lain dari konfigurasi F-16 Block 72 adalah Center Pedestal Display (CPD) baru yang memberikan citra taktis kritis kepada pilot pada layar 6x8 inci resolusi tinggi. Tampilan resolusi tinggi memungkinkan pilot untuk memanfaatkan sepenuhnya data AESA dan Targeting Pod.

F-16 Blok 72 memiliki panjang 15 m, tinggi 5 m, dan lebar sayap 9,4 m. Pesawat itu diklaim memiliki kecepatan terbang 1.500 mph (March 2+).

CPD baru memungkinkan peta bergerak berwarna, lebih besar dan lebih mudah untuk mengelola situasi udara-ke-udara, fungsi zoom dengan kemampuan untuk mengalihkan informasi di antara tampilan, dan tampilan digital dari Data Instrumen Penerbangan. CPD juga kompatibel dengan Night Vision Imaging System (NVIS).

F-16 Blok 72 memastikan dapat terbang dan bertarung hingga tahun 2045 dan seterusnya. Angkatan Udara AS resmi memperpanjang masa pakai F-16 menjadi 12.000 jam, jauh melampaui masa pakai desain asli 8.000 jam.

Biaya pengoperasian F-16 Blok 72 diklaim 30-40 persen lebih murah dibandingkan platform Generasi ke-4.

(jps/eks)

, with this, it's clear that we can procure their AESA capable fighter.
But that "pick F15 or F18" matter is still a mystery though

 

[Chestnut]

As I said before, it is very likely just reporter assumption. The F-16V would not be attractive or competitive enough to the Rafale if it wasn't offered with the APG-83 radar.

 

[Jatosint]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1323845142009192449

 

[Gundala]

Makes me wonder how much does it cost to get or upgrade to F16V? I know its hard to calculate with all those training/munition/logistics etc, but lets take a look at view of the latest F16V block 70 purchase by others. Here is what I found from mbah google: (disclaimer* numbers of purchase/price and source might not be accurate)

1. Bulgaria (2019) ; 8 Viper for $512 mil = @$64 mil. No mentioning about munition/training/logistics/etc
2. Bahrain (2018) ; 16 Viper for $1.1 bil = @$69 mil. LM contract to build aircraft & support. But they also upgrade their 20 fighters of F16 block 40 to F16V for $1.082 bil which include new engines, avionics and an active electronically scanned array radar system.
3. Taiwan (2019) ; 66 Viper for $8 bil = @121mil. Including spare parts
4. Slovakia (2019) ; 14 Viper for $800 mil = @57 mil. Production and support.
5. Morocco (2019) ; 25 Viper for $3.787 mil = @151 mil. Include - 30 M61 Al Vulcan 20mm Guns (includes 5 spares), 40 AIM-120C-7 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM), 60 GBU-39/B Small Diameter Bombs, 26 AN/AAQ-33 Sniper Pods, spares, practice equipment, management systems, navigation equipment, support and integration and U.S. government and contractor engineering and logistical support services. She also upgrade 23 of their F16 to Viper standard for $985 mil.

So to upgrade 20 block 32/40 to Viper standard its going to cost around $1billion.
To get 1 Skadron (16 fighters) if we follow Bahrain price its equal to $1.1bil prolly more with parts and stuff.
36 Viper of mix new/used might be around $2.5bil (with some parts). Decent number for its capability and quantity I must say tho I doubt our budget for Viper purchase exceeding that number, prolly @1.5bil at most.

 

[kooppyyy]

Is the AL even considering the Scorpene seriously if they take Malaysia's Scorpene into account?

Is it fair to assume the state of affair in stagnant though? Given the public nature of the problem, won't the troubleshooters at Naval Group be on the case pronto? I wonder if India has the same complaint with their Scorpene

Fairly sure this is just the journalist's take on the offer. The actual reason is likely cost that the government does not want to pay. Which is ever more mind-boggling considering Prabowo wants to potentially go with the Rafale, which is going to be MORE expensive to buy, integrate, and operate.

I don't know who's at fault here, bodrek journalists, or our Ambasador that Keseleo lidah because of his minimal knowledge of Military aviation but...
That "setara dengan seri F generasi keempat" statement was kind of ridiculous.
So they are not even a 4th gen fighter huh?!
What are they? F4 PHANTOM ?!!!!


With the AESA radar that are more and more common these day, is it really a Barang Mewah that need to be give to the best bro only?
I mean, even Bulgarian got it...

lol if you guys follow any of the airspace review digital platform, I got the impression that the admin is a bit of a russiaboo, so I'm not surprised at all that they come to this conclusion. It's a far-cry compared to their printed media.


SS2V5 looking good! Ngl I'm pretty disappointed we didn't get to bring our own SS2V5 to Fort Polk for the jointex