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Is the AL even considering the Scorpene seriously if they take Malaysia's Scorpene into account?MBDA0 atau mungkin juga kasel tapi rada ga yakin juga kasel
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Is the AL even considering the Scorpene seriously if they take Malaysia's Scorpene into account?MBDA0 atau mungkin juga kasel tapi rada ga yakin juga kasel
Personally? Regardless the budget? I will go to Super Eagle hands downPilih mana kira kira growler atau super eagle...?
Kalau saya personaly more to growler
Unfortunately this isn't going to come out at a time where the AL/AU needs the longer ranged MPA's. As of now we are pretty much stuck on Boeing's P-8, EADS's C-295MPA, or SAAB's Swordfish.P-8 Poseidon MPA future competitor from Europe? At least by the time it comes out we would have alternative if we havent got one already.
Studies On French-German Next Gen MPA To Start This Month
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I'm fairly sure they're offering that as either a counter offer if MenHan can't afford new built V's or as a bonus if we pick the V. It makes no sense for Lockheed Martin not to offer up the V's.From CNN news
Sebagai gantinya, kata Luthfi, Amerika Serikat akan menawarkan beberapa seri F-16 kepada Indonesia dalam waktu dekat
"F-16 kita ini versi AB ini tua sekali kalau nggak salah tahun 90-an. Nah ini mesti diperbaiki untuk sekarang kita lagi meremajakan untuk menjadi CD yang mereka tawarkan kepada kita itu F-16 block 32," imbuhnya.
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Don't say to me that the one they offer is used block 32 and no new Viper block 72 at all?!
But on the other hand "offering AMARG F16 to be upgraded to block 52" definitely NOT "terobosan yang belum pernah kita lihat sebelumnya", so I hope not...
Ini nih yg gw benci dari media indonesia, pengutipannya acak-acakan, bisa diinterpretasikan beda-beda, yg nulis gak bener2 ngerti apa yg dia tulis!!
US: Pak presiden, menhan lu tuh aja sempat sempatnya mikirin tipun bekas! Padahal yg punya, nawarin aja kagak!!My version
Indonesia: "minta F-35"
US: "Ga boleh"
US: "bolehnya ini" *nawarin F-16V*
Indonesia: "bapaknya ga mau"
US: "ywdah F-15EX atau F/A-18 Block III"
Indonesia: "budgetnya ga cukup"
US: "Ok, yg bekas aja ya tapi di upgrade"
Indonesia: "ga boleh beli bekas sama pakde"
US:
A study huh... how many years we have to wait until it available on market!!P-8 Poseidon MPA future competitor from Europe? At least by the time it comes out we would have alternative if we havent got one already.
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F.16 V kemungkinan besar jadi ,yg ngeri itu kl growlerski duet P8, jd bayangan saya kedepan f.16 V / C / D, f.18 ,flanker ,kfx ,di tambah p8 ,kc.46 terus awacs nya "palkon" lol yang made in "india" piye perasaan mu lek sampe keturutan tur nge link kabeh plus link scytalis online tri matra, jadi punya kemampuan c4isr + EW ready mantab toh iso melu dulinan jaming jamingan lol, well to good to be truth...? Belive it or not that the plan, at least our plan is , so let hope for the best shall wePersonally? Regardless the budget? I will go to Super Eagle hands down
Reality? Idk man, too many variables to count into such as are we going to continue the KFX? Are we really getting the CAATSA waiver?
If KFX is going to continue then Hornet isnt a good choice. If we still proceed with SU-35 due to waiver and continue with KFX then F16V is the wise choice.
If no KFX then this is going to be interesting thing to see as it will free up substantial amount of current and future budget constrain. This is where Rafale/Strike Eagle/Hornet can be count in. In this scenario maybe F16V is less likely to be choosen.
Now the ball is in Kemenhan court, its going to be hard as it will also implicate politics both domestic and international.
Is the AL even considering the Scorpene seriously if they take Malaysia's Scorpene into account?
Ini nih yg gw benci dari media indonesia, pengutipannya acak-acakan, bisa diinterpretasikan beda-beda, yg nulis gak bener2 ngerti apa yg dia tulis!!
F.16 V kemungkinan besar jadi ,yg ngeri itu kl growlerski duet P8, jd bayangan saya kedepan f.16 V / C / D, f.18 ,flanker ,kfx ,di tambah p8 ,kc.46 terus awacs nya "palkon" lol yang made in "india" piye perasaan mu lek sampe keturutan tur nge link kabeh plus link scytalis online tri matra, jadi punya kemampuan c4isr + EW ready mantab toh iso melu dulinan jaming jamingan lol, well to good to be truth...? Belive it or not that the plan, at least our plan is , so let hope for the best shall we
I doubt that.menyiratkan AS juga berat hati melepas F-16V Block 70/72 yang merupakan varian tercanggih F-16 yang masih diproduksi saat ini
Fairly sure this is just the journalist's take on the offer. The actual reason is likely cost that the government does not want to pay. Which is ever more mind-boggling considering Prabowo wants to potentially go with the Rafale, which is going to be MORE expensive to buy, integrate, and operate.Tawaran F-16 Block 32 (yang kemungkinan besar diambil dari stok eks USAF/AU Amerika Serikat) menyiratkan AS juga berat hati melepas F-16V Block 70/72 yang merupakan varian tercanggih F-16 yang masih diproduksi saat ini. Tak jelas apakah itu menandakan AS sebenarnya masih enggan melepas radar berteknologi AESA (active electronically-scanned array) ke Indonesia.
Namun seperti disebutkan tadi, ada tersirat keengganan AS melepas radar berteknologi AESA ke Indonesia.
Any tanggapan??
AS tak kabulkan F-35, malah tawarkan F-16 lawas
Buntut dari penolakan tersebut, dikabarkan AS malah menawarkan F-16C/D Fighting Falcon Block 32 untuk Indonesia. Padahal kita ketahui, seri tersebut merupakan seri lama yang sudah tidak diproduksi lagi. Block 32 merupakan varian F-16C/D yang diproduksi tahun 1986 dan berhenti diproduksi tahun 1989 untuk selanjutnya digantikan dengan Block 42.
Tawaran F-16 Block 32 (yang kemungkinan besar diambil dari stok eks USAF/AU Amerika Serikat) menyiratkan AS juga berat hati melepas F-16V Block 70/72 yang merupakan varian tercanggih F-16 yang masih diproduksi saat ini. Tak jelas apakah itu menandakan AS sebenarnya masih enggan melepas radar berteknologi AESA (active electronically-scanned array) ke Indonesia.
F-16 Block 32 sendiri memang bisa ditingkatkan kemampuan tempurnya (upgrade), bahkan sampai setara F-16V dengan penggantian radar dari APG-68 menjadi APG-83 berteknologi AESA. Usia strukturalnya pun masih bisa diperpanjang meski tentunya tak sepanjang F-16 baru. Namun seperti disebutkan tadi, ada tersirat keengganan AS melepas radar berteknologi AESA ke Indonesia.
Any tanggapan??
Looks like that's the case.Is this article cited CNN's article?