Indonesia Defence Forum

[Nike]

There is SG 43 of Soviet Union, one of the most archaic machine gun in our inventory

 

[san.geuk]

Those are indeed deep water, however an ocean going capable SSK is a different class entirely than anything we need. Unless we wan't to flex our maritime muscle northward beyond our 200nm EEZ, there isn't any need for ocean going SSK

we NEED to flex our muscles beyond 200nm EEZ, that is a must, our next advisary not some jaguh country anymore, so ocean going assets is a must have for us

the first thing to have subs is for detterent effect, with ocean going SSK its mean we have one ability for power projection outside our territory then with that thing our submarine program objective passed as detterent effect

we should leave keseimbangan kawasan mindset

 

[trishna_amṛta]

Lhoooo..... Berarti semua contender overspec dong
Let's go with type 212 Dolphin class or Scorpene 1000 then...

But why singkie go with ocean going type 218??

The SingKek need to spend money by selling whatever existential threat be that real or fancied to their political establishment in order to maintained any relevancy of their own military establishment. Furthermore they want the ability to operate deep within our water. Personally if I were driving 2000+ ton sub in the Java Sea I would be seriously worry of getting tangled in fisherman net than by any ASW asseet.

we NEED to flex our muscles beyond 200nm EEZ, that is a must, our next advisary not some jaguh country anymore, so ocean going assets is a must have for us

the first thing to have subs is for detterent effect, with ocean going SSK its mean we have one ability for power projection outside our territory then with that thing our submarine program objective passed as detterent effect

we should leave keseimbangan kawasan mindset

All good IF we have the $ to do so, including the $ needed for operating such asset.

 

[¿Por qué?]

A26 came out in 3 version. Which one?

That price was the one quoted for the Swedish Navy. I believe that's for the A26 Oceanic (the middle) variant.

A26 Pelagic :
- 1000 tons displacement
- 4000 nm (7400 km) range
- 20 days endurance

A26 Oceanic :
- 2000 tons displacement
- 6500 nm (12000 km) range
- 30 days endurance

A26 Oceanic (Extended Range)
- 3000 tons displacement
- 10000 nm (18500 km) range
- 50 days endurance

We all know that China has been aiming for blue water navy. If we agree that our biggest threat is China, then it's a no brainer that we should have capability to counter their existence beyond our EEZ.

It's gonna be way too late if we're waiting for Shandong carrier strike group starts their mission in SCS.

To have some subs with certain track record of "sinking" U.S. carrier, even only in training, would be nice, at least for deterrent effect.

 

[umigami]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311906466350071808

Just some random twit I found. No valid source though.

 

[Being-Art]

Lhoooo..... Berarti semua contender overspec dong
Let's go with type 212 Dolphin class or Scorpene 1000 then... [emoji1787]

But why singkie go with ocean going type 218??

SG's Type 218 actually Upgraded Type 214 with X Rudder, The X Rudder's advantages increase the submarine's maneuverability when operating in shallow water, which is why the new Scorpene, A26, and several other new submarines have started using this X Rudder.

AIP is also important, because Modern non-nuclear submarines are potentially stealthier than nuclear submarines becoz a nuclear ship's reactor must constantly pump coolant, generating some amount of detectable noise

 

[Being-Art]

*sigh* its feet.
Why do we even need ocean going sub for? The only ocean access for Indonesia is the Indian Ocean & small part of West Pacific

if you need Ocean Going Submarines, better just go to Nuclear Powered Submarines

 

[Ravager]

if you need Ocean Going Submarines, better just go to Nuclear Powered Submarines

It was out of our technological capacity .

 

[Being-Art]

It was out of our technological capacity .

That's it, that's why MoD requires a submarine with AIP, because it has good endurance than classic diesel electric submarines.

 

[NEKONEKO]

That's it, that's why MoD requires a submarine with AIP, because it has good endurance than classic diesel electric submarines.

This is news to me.

 

[san.geuk]

September has ended, and nothing new about osprey

 

[HeyPaula1963]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/historia.id/amp/militer/articles/bantuan-paman-sam-untuk-polri-PyqJZ

What a interesting time of history

 

[Nike]

September has ended, and nothing new about osprey

the budget for 2021 just only yesterday get approved by parliament

 

[Indos]

 

[Nike]

if you need Ocean Going Submarines, better just go to Nuclear Powered Submarines

That's should be our aspiration, a great Nation with more ocean than land area which must be protected, with territory larger than European continent. In less than 100 years history of our , with several great Naval battle happened around our area, starting from Battle of Malaya, battle of Java sea, Battle of Leyte Gulf, operation gratitude in South China Sea and so on it is imperative for Indonesia to have a great Navy with long range and great endurance