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With refurbishment, spare parts, MLU's, and other associated equipment for the S-3's it would be cheaper to just buy the MQ-4C Triton.
Malah minta triton, can we even get the green light tho, more importantly are our wallet capable to purchase it, P-8 should be priority and triton as supplementary unit is just too expensive for us.
Would be a good supplement for P-8, unlike the S3 the triton is just a flying 24-hours sensors, but I like that, i don't like the price tho.
 
Pimpin Ratas, Jokowi Minta Stop Ketergantungan Impor Alutsista

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Presiden Joko Widodo memimpin rapat terbatas di Kantor Presiden, Jakarta, Senin (11/11/2019). Rapat terbatas itu membahas program cipta lapangan kerja, penguatan neraca perdagangan dan pemberdayaan usaha mikro kecil dan menengah. ANTARA FOTO/Akbar Nugroho Gumay/aww.

JAKARTA, KOMPAS.com - Presiden Joko Widodo meminta tak ada lagi impor besar-besaran alat utama sistem pertahanan ( Alutsista) negara.

Hal itu disampaikan Jokowi saat memimpin rapat terbatas soal pengadaan Alutsista di Kompleks Istana Kepresidenan, Jakarta, Jumat (23/11/2019).

"Kita harus memastikan adanya alih teknologi dari setiap pengadaan Alutsista maupun program kerja sama dengan negara-negara lain. Kita harus memastikan bahwa SDM industri pertahanan kita betul-betul diperkuat dan jangan lagi orientasinya adalah penyerapan anggaran," ujar Jokowi.

Baca juga: PT Len Industri Nyatakan Siap Dukung Alutsista TNI

"Orientasinya adalah betul-betul strategic partnership untuk meningkatkan kemandirian dan daya saing bangsa sehingga kita memiliki kemampuan untuk memproduksi Alusista yang dikerjasamakan," lanjut dia.

Ia mengatakan, Indonesia merupakan negara kepulauan terbesar di dunia sehingga harus mampu menjadi menjadi poros kekuatan utama, khususnya di kawasan Asia Tenggara dan Asia.

Hal itu bisa dicapai jika Indonesia mampu memproduksi Alutsista modern secara mandiri.

Karenanya Jokowi meminta kementerian terkait menyiapkan perencanaan dari hulu ke hilir untuk memajukan industri pertahanan dalam negeri.

https://nasional.kompas.com/read/20...owi-minta-stop-ketergantungan-impor-alutsista
Jokowi juga meminta BUMN dan swasta berkolaborasi memajukan inudstri pertahanan dalam negeri.

Baca juga: Indonesia-Korsel Jajaki Kerja Sama Alutsista, Salah Satunya Pesawat Tempur

Ia pun meminta tak ada lagi pengadaan Alutsista sekadar untuk penyerapan anggaran dan memuluskan suatu proyek.

"Membelanjakan anggaran sebanyak-banyaknya apa lagi orientasinya sekadar proyek, sudah stop yang seperti itu," kata Jokowi.

"Road map harus jelas dalam pengembangan industri alat pertahanan di dalam negeri. Mulai dari hulu sampai hilir dengan melibatkan baik BUMN maupun swasta sehingga kita bisa mengurangi ketergantungan terhadap impor alutsista dari luar negeri," lanjut Presiden.
ini media nya salah tangkap , headline kaya gitu misleading parah , jelas yang di omongin pa jokowi itu maksud nya proyek akusisi alutsista harus wajib ada TOT tidak masalah mau itu besar besaran juga , untuk mencapai kemandirian bahkan yang selevel iran yang cuman reverse engineering itu makan waktu lama .
 
Malah minta triton, can we even get the green light tho, more importantly are our wallet capable to purchase it, P-8 should be priority and triton as supplementary unit is just too expensive for us.
Would be a good supplement for P-8, unlike the S3 the triton is just a flying 24-hours sensors, but I like that, i don't like the price tho.
The problem isn't if whether we'll get US congressional approval or not, it's whether or not it would be even worth it if we procure a half-measure asset that in the long run would be more costly to operate than buying something new that's expensive.

The S-3's were made in the 70's. The air frames would likely only have another 10 years until we'd need to replace it again. And at that point we'd already spent a lot of money on buying up the needed equipment and maintenance to keep them operating for as long as possible.

And if say by some off chance we take it, the equipment on them are way below the capabilities of our near peers to not even make the long term costs of operating them worth it. If we really wanted an ELINT platform that can operate from short runways and conduct Aerial Ground Surveillance, there are newer options like the L3/Sierra Nevada Corporation Spydr II or the Raytheon Sentinel.


Spydr II
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Raytheon Sentinel
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(There's actually an ongoing program to integrate new maritime search software on the UK's Sentinel fleet to datalink with their new P-8 Poseidons, thus complementing them during operations.)
 
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S3, triton, sentinel is a no no.
Lets get the boeing trio first, the 767, 737, 737 ER. *if we decided to buy it from boeing.
We can talk about ELINT aircraft later, in the next MEF plan maybe.
 
Pimpin Ratas, Jokowi Minta Stop Ketergantungan Impor Alutsista

Kompas Cyber Media
3-4 minutes
5dc93397b151e.jpg


Presiden Joko Widodo memimpin rapat terbatas di Kantor Presiden, Jakarta, Senin (11/11/2019). Rapat terbatas itu membahas program cipta lapangan kerja, penguatan neraca perdagangan dan pemberdayaan usaha mikro kecil dan menengah. ANTARA FOTO/Akbar Nugroho Gumay/aww.

JAKARTA, KOMPAS.com - Presiden Joko Widodo meminta tak ada lagi impor besar-besaran alat utama sistem pertahanan ( Alutsista) negara.

Hal itu disampaikan Jokowi saat memimpin rapat terbatas soal pengadaan Alutsista di Kompleks Istana Kepresidenan, Jakarta, Jumat (23/11/2019).

"Kita harus memastikan adanya alih teknologi dari setiap pengadaan Alutsista maupun program kerja sama dengan negara-negara lain. Kita harus memastikan bahwa SDM industri pertahanan kita betul-betul diperkuat dan jangan lagi orientasinya adalah penyerapan anggaran," ujar Jokowi.

Baca juga: PT Len Industri Nyatakan Siap Dukung Alutsista TNI

"Orientasinya adalah betul-betul strategic partnership untuk meningkatkan kemandirian dan daya saing bangsa sehingga kita memiliki kemampuan untuk memproduksi Alusista yang dikerjasamakan," lanjut dia.

Ia mengatakan, Indonesia merupakan negara kepulauan terbesar di dunia sehingga harus mampu menjadi menjadi poros kekuatan utama, khususnya di kawasan Asia Tenggara dan Asia.

Hal itu bisa dicapai jika Indonesia mampu memproduksi Alutsista modern secara mandiri.

Karenanya Jokowi meminta kementerian terkait menyiapkan perencanaan dari hulu ke hilir untuk memajukan industri pertahanan dalam negeri.

https://nasional.kompas.com/read/20...owi-minta-stop-ketergantungan-impor-alutsista
Jokowi juga meminta BUMN dan swasta berkolaborasi memajukan inudstri pertahanan dalam negeri.

Baca juga: Indonesia-Korsel Jajaki Kerja Sama Alutsista, Salah Satunya Pesawat Tempur

Ia pun meminta tak ada lagi pengadaan Alutsista sekadar untuk penyerapan anggaran dan memuluskan suatu proyek.

"Membelanjakan anggaran sebanyak-banyaknya apa lagi orientasinya sekadar proyek, sudah stop yang seperti itu," kata Jokowi.

"Road map harus jelas dalam pengembangan industri alat pertahanan di dalam negeri. Mulai dari hulu sampai hilir dengan melibatkan baik BUMN maupun swasta sehingga kita bisa mengurangi ketergantungan terhadap impor alutsista dari luar negeri," lanjut Presiden.

I support this. This policy is also very popular so Jokowi will get people support. Rather than becoming like Saudi Arabia, Egypt or UAE with so many weapons in their arsenal but with limited national defense industry support, we should instead choose Turkey way where national defense industry grow and replace import gradually. As a big nation we should also think big and strategic, not repeating our past mistake in the ancient time where all rifle are imported rather than try to imitate and produce it inside the country just like Japanese do. We also have experience two defense equipment embargo in our short history, one with USSR and other with USA. That past experience should change the way we used to think. We also dont have immediate threat so dont need to be so rush in weapon procurement program.

With this mind set I hope Jokowi support KFX/IFX program and other strategic defense program just like cruise missile, turbo jet engine, rocket, radar, N 245 project and others. Reseach agency should also get enough money to do research and apply the result. Hopefully when we become 4 biggest economy in 2045 as many projected inshaAllah, our defense industries have already become so advance so we can be another great power that can supply its military with our own made weapon. Not relying on other great power in term of weapon supply, thus it will make us more independent, influencial, and strong.
 
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If you want RPG or soviet style small arms, go to bulgaria..they are best.why Africa?
 
The problem isn't if whether we'll get US congressional approval or not, it's whether or not it would be even worth it if we procure a half-measure asset that in the long run would be more costly to operate than buying something new that's expensive.

The S-3's were made in the 70's. The air frames would likely only have another 10 years until we'd need to replace it again. And at that point we'd already spent a lot of money on buying up the needed equipment and maintenance to keep them operating for as long as possible.

And if say by some off chance we take it, the equipment on them are way below the capabilities of our near peers to not even make the long term costs of operating them worth it. If we really wanted an ELINT platform that can operate from short runways and conduct Aerial Ground Surveillance, there are newer options like the L3/Sierra Nevada Corporation Spydr II or the Raytheon Sentinel.


Spydr II
SPYDRII_wLogo.jpg


Raytheon Sentinel
Sentinel_R.1_ZJ692_5_Sqdn._RAF_Landing_at_RAF_Waddington_%284454372764%29.jpg

(There's actually an ongoing program to integrate new maritime search software on the UK's Sentinel fleet to datalink with their new P-8 Poseidons, thus complementing them during operations.)
or SAAB swordfish
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guys i want to ask ya, so my friend got an argument with this guy about this topic
https://www.airspace-review.com/201...ang-ringan-calidus-b-250-buatan-dalam-negeri/
I've also kinda confused because b250 are basically based on tucano design because and he said it was a license, and my friends tried to prove even japs f2 and kai t50 that are based on f16 doesn't have to paid single cent over the design and also i see that VAMTAC that literally based on humvee didn't paid for licensing, and it's chief designer was former member of tucano development team. so anyone know about licensing or kinda like this, I've kinda lost too
 
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guys i want to ask ya, so my friend got an argument with this guy about this topic
https://www.airspace-review.com/201...ang-ringan-calidus-b-250-buatan-dalam-negeri/
I've also kinda confused because b250 are basically based on tucano design because and he said it was a license, and my friends tried to prove even japs f2 and kai t50 that are based on f16 doesn't have to paid single cent over the design and also i see that VAMTAC that literally based on humvee didn't paid for licensing, and it's chief designer was former member of tucano development team. so anyone know about licensing or kinda like this, I've kinda lost too
kai T-50 and Japanese F-2 are very different than F-16 , as for the b-250 , if you look really closely its also very different from the a29 super tucano , i dont think it was solely based on a29 super tucano , its even more look like the switzerland Pilatus PC-9 .
 
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ikr but why b250 that based on tucano he said are the same and called licensing, but f2 and t50 who's based on f16 doesn't licensed
just try to ask him , where he did get info about b250 is purely licensed from a29 .
 
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guys i want to ask ya, so my friend got an argument with this guy about this topic
https://www.airspace-review.com/201...ang-ringan-calidus-b-250-buatan-dalam-negeri/
I've also kinda confused because b250 are basically based on tucano design because and he said it was a license, and my friends tried to prove even japs f2 and kai t50 that are based on f16 doesn't have to paid single cent over the design and also i see that VAMTAC that literally based on humvee didn't paid for licensing, and it's chief designer was former member of tucano development team. so anyone know about licensing or kinda like this, I've kinda lost too

Most if not all Military tech doesnt protected by commercial patent standard, the only way to protected them is by State owned law and other security measure, the license to get them is can only be given by the original OEM and the original country consent. Thus this can be achieved by G to G and B to B scheme, the case is like Japan can get their hand on F 16 tech is because the consent of US and Lockheed , Indonesia can get their hand on SS 1 is because the consent of Belgian government and FN and so on
 
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but that doesn't make any sense
i think i've seen this kind of guy comment pattern somewhere too where he leads to overchauvinistic statement about cn-235 when he was arguing with someone, but i forgot where , better stop the arguement right now , or just agree to disagree .
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habibie does take a part in cn-235 development , but does he swallowed all of the worklist/jobdesk by himself ? of course not , engineers always work together in this such level of project .
 
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