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[mejikuhibiu]

Fiji amd PNG in our side right?
Some discount for friend i think is gud decision

What fiji need 124 m LPD??? Are they realy need it?

They much more need kcr 60 or 90.. dunno if they need Ashm or sam..maybe only 30mm gun its enough for them

 

[Whizzack]

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...4V9fiLSbe7fucTrE-d1iaoAMN2ukTZq4PtcZvz6dWHIzk

An interesting article regarding the matter of Su-35 vs F-16V.. A rather long read, but it highlights the capabilities and differences between those 2 jets.. Good for us that is considering to buy both!

However I personally feel that these 2 jets are so different in size and purpose, that comparing them directly seems rather pointless.. like comparing a corvette to a destroyer..

 

[Logam42]

may i know the backstory and reason why does UK supported the OPM ? i mean they hardly can handle their own problem with brexit , and recent buzz about scotland independence etc etc , but still decide to intervene with indonesia

Guardian is not UK gov mouthpiece. That is BBC.

Guardian is socialist liberal leaning paper. You know, it supports the Labour party, which is headed by Jeremy Corbyn, the guy who publicly supported OPM.

 

[Nike]

Swamp boat, look like Riverine boats during nam war

 

[Gundala]

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...4V9fiLSbe7fucTrE-d1iaoAMN2ukTZq4PtcZvz6dWHIzk

An interesting article regarding the matter of Su-35 vs F-16V.. A rather long read, but it highlights the capabilities and differences between those 2 jets.. Good for us that is considering to buy both!

However I personally feel that these 2 jets are so different in size and purpose, that comparing them directly seems rather pointless.. like comparing a corvette to a destroyer..

Yea, if we add AWACS/EWA into the F16 equation the result might not be the same. Its all comes down to Integrated Air Defense System and situational awareness in general. Pitch black 2012 where our suhkoi have the upperhand against hornet but couldnt do much when hornet use EWA is a good example. On the other side if we want to destroy fleet or enemy AV convoy that has no air support SU30 can do the job easily with just dumb bombs and using its high load where viper can only carry less bombs. It all comes down on country doctrine, projected threat and system integration/network centric. If somehow our sukhoi can "talk" with all of our western system plus future EWA then result is greater force multiplier, specially if its a SU35. But if not, then its just going to be a another long range heavy fighter with large RCS, crappy maintenance support and maintenance cost but comes with affordable missiles.

On the other hand if we only have Viper but with good EWA and ground radar data link it will create good force multiplier and prolly just wipe out those lonely SU35 without them realize what hit them. So in short we should look for force multiplier by maximizing what we have. Our air force knows this, but if we put politics, money, dinasour era way of thinking leaders into the ingridients then the outcome can sometime be asthonising. But no worry it happens in other country as well regardless their military purchase power

 

[trishna_amṛta]

Fiji amd PNG in our side right?
Some discount for friend i think is gud decision

Fiji did receive some donation from our govt

What fiji need 124 m LPD??? Are they realy need it?

Fiji is a small archipelago and a LPD could be use as a multipurpose support vessel

What do you think guys..? What are the chances this could happen...? I know we are in a much better position both militarily and economically compared to 20 years ago, but still... somehow I can already imagine the Aussies watching the current situation in Papua with glee in their eyes, impatient to become a 'hero' once again...

The primary strategic interest of Aus govt in regard of regional security is to have stable Indonesia and this seem to be the basic tenant of the Lombok Treaty. However since all those so call activist used to be Aus based or these days (with the availability of internet access) everywhere in Pacific islands, there is miss-perception that they are Aus backed which is not the case.

Yeah, I'll be happy if most of the "Foreign" Rector/Dean is from Japan & South Korea. So much less chance of them trying to spread western liberalism.

Please note that almost all western reporting ing biased against us. And thus almost all english articles are too. This includes Jakpost, which is full of people enamoured with western values.

Even in Oceania, only 2 countries really give outspoken support to OPM, the rest stay quiet about it. Even PNG officially supports Indonesia, even-though the Mayor of Port Moresby likes to bring it up whenever he's facing a lot of domestic problems.

Despite that if you read western reporting (Especially the Guardian) you would think that all of Oceania is in full support of OPM. Which is bullshit.

Excellent points

 

[rondo.royal2]

Pengamat militer sebenarnya itu disini , tiap hari update dan punya spesialis pengamat alutsista komplit dari rudal sampe gelombang elektomahnetik sampe diformil dulu itu ngomongin energi kinetik .

Tapi media kok tanya atau sumber rujukan tentang militer ,yg di wawancarai Susaningtyas Nefo Handayani Kertopati .

Masak pemindahan ibukota dikaltim dihubungkan ke pertahanan , katanya pas dari pada kalimantan lain. dari segi geografi etnografi dll , yg konyol dia ngomong gini

"Kontur alam Kaltim juga tidak dikelilingi gunung tinggi sehingga tidak mengganggu pancaran frekuensi berkekuatan tinggi."

Dia ga ngerti kalo pancaran frekuensi kekuatan tinggi tapi gelombang panjang itu bisa jauh radiusnya ,contoh radio bbc london itu sedunia bisa dengar karena gelombang mantul di atsmofer bumi. Lagian jaman now pake satelit ,gunung itu bukan halangan .

Mau pindah Ibukota ke manapun tanpa pertahanan udara komplit dari ciws sampe long sam .radar pasif dan aktif. sama saja ga aman .

 

[Cromwell]

https://www.airspace-review.com/201...6E4sB4C_7xdDXCh8qEBnHtIN5-zMEFUEDJlLEjtMR38eE

According to Asrena KSAU
" There's no discussion about Su-35 "

 

[NEKONEKO]

Well i dont know. If we aim for 8 submarines then we'll have it by mid or late 2020s considering by then our cakra's will be almost 40 years old.

We are still waiting for the delivery of 406, 407 and 408, we will operate 8 submarine by the end of 2024.
Post 2024 with the target of 12 submarine, we are gonna buy new submarine again for the 409, 410, 411 and 412, maybe 401 and 402 will be replaced too, thus we are gonna need 6 new submarine for post 2024.
40 yo? Taiwan still operates older sub

Indonesian navy offcourse. Why on earth i would mention other navy???

Idk, I just want to be sure.

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https://www.cnnindonesia.com/intern...iji-kunjungi-indonesia-jajaki-pembelian-kapal

Fiji navy are interested with PAL 60 metres OPV and 124 metres LPD.

For 60 m OPV, I think they just need a simple one, to patrol their water against illegal fishing boat etc, no need for Ashm.
For LPD it will be very useful for them, for a small country that consisted of few hundreds small island. If they got hit by natural disaster(tsunami, typhoon) it will be pretty much bad for them, it will affect the entire country. We got hit by natural disaster frequently, Lombok then later Palu, it's very bad but it doesn't affect much to our country because we have large area, when Lombok and palu got hit we still can send help from other islands like java, but for a small country in the pacific ocean it will bad if they got hit by natural disaster.
The LPD can carry heavy equipment, and vehicle(ambulans, truck), can reach isolated island using LCU or helicopter and more importantly it can serve as hospital ship so its a good investment.
For Fiji having LPD it will be useful when needed, but still I kinda surprised that a small country like Fiji want an LPD.
I believe TNI AL ready to help if something happens to Fiji, hm... somehow the Kri Semarang suddenly become hospital ship I thought it's just gonna be a standard LPD, but after Lombok and Palu suddenly it have red cross paint, no complain tho.

 

[UMNOPutra]

According to Asrena KSAU
" There's no discussion about Su-35 "

Woow... Do you know that the flip flop on your plan to buy SU-35 already to be a BIG joke in the region..

 

[Whizzack]

https://www.airspace-review.com/201...6E4sB4C_7xdDXCh8qEBnHtIN5-zMEFUEDJlLEjtMR38eE
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According to Asrena KSAU
" There's no discussion about Su-35 "

How unfortunate... So it's just a sightseeing trip afterall... well at least they can pick up lots of brochures and goodie gifts there... would've been nice if they get to eat ice cream with Putin and Erdogan too though..

But let's see... If the situation in Papua does not improve soon and 'certain' western countries start to become nosy and meddlesome again like 20 years ago... then perhaps the govt will see some urgency to proceed with this purchase.

 

[initial_d]

Woow... Do you know that the flip flop on your plan to buy SU-35 already to be a BIG joke in the region..

so did the malaysian MRCA program lol, from rafale to used F-18 and then to used Mig-29 and then thinking about JF-17 hahahahhahah why not buy propeler instead
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...yal-malaysian-air-force-fighter-jets-11400902

 

[Ruhnama]

How unfortunate... So it's just a sightseeing trip afterall... well at least they can pick up lots of brochures and goodie gifts there... would've been nice if they get to eat ice cream with Putin and Erdogan too though..

But let's see... If the situation in Papua does not improve soon and 'certain' western countries start to become nosy and meddlesome again like 20 years ago... then perhaps the govt will see some urgency to proceed with this purchase.

Maybe we became friend of our turkish brother in this forum. I see them more "connected" with pakistani

Yes, maybe turkish in this forum want hear from us how we operate Su with F16 wkkwkw. They must learn from us

Btw they are still waiting trump decision.

(org malaysia di yutub soal JF 17, akhirnya kita beli produk negara sahabat sesama muslim PAKISTAN)

 

[HellFireIndo]

so did the malaysian MRCA program lol, from rafale to used F-18 and then to used Mig-29 and then thinking about JF-17 hahahahhahah why not buy propeler instead
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...yal-malaysian-air-force-fighter-jets-11400902

Mahathir said that Cessna planes are enough to defend Malaysia.

 

[umigami]

https://www.airspace-review.com/201...6E4sB4C_7xdDXCh8qEBnHtIN5-zMEFUEDJlLEjtMR38eE
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According to Asrena KSAU
" There's no discussion about Su-35 "

Wait... so sukhoi need different LIFT aircraft?
Can we just use T-50 lift?

Gw mulai mikir sukhoi inj kayak ngurusin orang berkebutuhan khusus