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[pr1v4t33r]

What I mean is that Pindad can make two kind of bombs by using similar design if this prototype can be really proven during the test, dumb bomb like Mk 82 and Smart Bomb (JDAM). We will save a lot of money and Missile Department in Pindad can get huge budget annually that can be used for making more sophisticated missile.

Ammunition made by Western nations will be much more expensive by the way, and at war we might use hundred or thousands bombs like this, so we can stop buying Mk 82 and start using Pindad bombs if the bomb is quite good.

kita udah bisa bikin bro, jenis bom Mk 82. Kerjasama DislitbangAU dan Pindad. Namanya BT-125, BT-250 & BT-500. Mk-82 sekelas BT-500, Mk-81 sekelas BT-250.

Sudah di uji coba pada Super Tukano

Sudah diuji cobakan juga di F-16

 

[Indos]

kita udah bisa bikin bro, jenis bom Mk 82. Kerjasama DislitbangAU dan Pindad. Namanya BT-125, BT-250 & BT-500. Mk-82 sekelas BT-500, Mk-81 sekelas BT-250.

Thanks mate, it is a good thing to hear that Air Force has already used it as well.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Thanks mate, it is a good thing to hear that Air Force has already used it as well.

Yes, and now we are already moving toward the smart bomb era

 

[Jakartans@PkDef]

@Indos I give u newest video.

look how Super Tucano/F16 hit the target accurately using Mk 82

Exercise Sikatan Daya

Checking...
1 Hawk can fitted with two Mk82
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Its static target and F-16 / Sutuc must make low pass inside enemy SHORAD area, its not gonna work against moving enemy column or when suppressing enemy air defense (SEAD).
If you look the latest RSAF Forging Sabre exercise in Arizone, we are clearly left behind in capability of mounting strategic airstrike. With Smart Bombs we can maximize our UAV / Ground commandos capability using lasing method to mark the target so it can be destroyed in single pass from safe distance.

 

[Indos]

Its static target and F-16 / Sutuc must make low pass inside enemy SHORAD area, its not gonna work against moving enemy column or when suppressing enemy air defense (SEAD).
If you look the latest RSAF Forging Sabre exercise in Arizone, we are clearly left behind in capability of mounting strategic airstrike. With Smart Bombs we can maximize our UAV / Ground commandos capability using lasing method to mark the target so it can be destroyed in single pass from safe distance.

Too many high tech will damage Air Force skills buddy, I think the training and the result of it is still very important

We all agree that using UCAV, JDAM, and missile like AGM Maveric are more effective but such training is still useful to train our pilots.

I hope we can make cruise missile as soon as possible, with that weapon being mass produced here, it will really improve our deterrent effect.

 

[Jakartans@PkDef]

Too many high tech will damage Air Force skills buddy, I think the training and the result of it is still very important

We all agree that using UCAV, JDAM, and missile like AGM Maveric are more effective but such training is still useful to train our pilots.

I hope we can make cruise missile as soon as possible, with that weapon being mass produced here, it will really improve our deterrent effect.

Coordinated airstrike using network system between UAV - Command Post - Striker Flight is not considered cutting edge anymore bro, its standard for modern air force. Just like Electronic Warfare for SEAD which is first introduced during the first Gulf war in the early 90's, our air force still dont have Electronic Warfare capability until now. We are left behind in many aspect.

 

[Indos]

Coordinated airstrike using network system between UAV - Command Post - Striker Flight is not considered cutting edge anymore bro, its standard for modern air force. Just like Electronic Warfare for SEAD which is first introduced during the first Gulf war in the early 90's, our air force still dont have Electronic Warfare capability until now. We are left behind in many aspect.

What do you mean of electronic warfare capability....? In a large scale do you mean mate...?

We know that even in early 2000's our 2 F 16 using that (jamming stuff) during dog fight with 5 USA F 18 above Bawean island.......

We also start to use satellite communnication now made by our own industry and has been connected to our warships

 

[anas_nurhafidz]

Shittt, She is ..... PKR SIGMA 10514
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[CountStrike]

Japan courts Indonesia with defence equipment as it seeks to counter China’s influence in Asia

Indonesian Defence Minister Ryamizard Ryacudu, Indonesian Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi, Japanese Foreign Minister Fimio Kishida and Japanese Defence Minister Gen Nakatani shake their hands before first Indonesia-Japan foreign and defence ministers meeting in Tokyo. Photo: AFP

Japan has agreed with Indonesia to start negotiations on the transfer of defence equipment and technology to the Southeast Asian country, as they aimed to forge stronger ties amid China’s muscle-flexing in the South China Sea.

Japanese Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida made the announcement during a joint press conference with his Indonesian counterpart as well as the Japanese and Indonesian defence ministers, following their first “two-plus-two” security talks in Tokyo.

The agreement was reached during the first such talks between Japan and a member of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean).

Japan has been trying to boost security ties with the 10-country Asean amid China’s muscle-flexing in the South China Sea. Japanese Defence Minister Gen Nakatani said dialogue is the key to settle disputes in the South China Sea. Some Asean members are embroiled in overlapping territorial claims in that sea with Beijing.

Land reclamation by China in the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea. Photo: AFP

Retno Marsudi, Indonesia’s foreign minister, meanwhile, said her country and Japan also agreed to set up a hotline between their countries’ foreign and defence ministers, and to regularly hold two-plus-two talks.

The ministers said they also discussed counterterrorism measures, with Indonesian Defence Minister Ryamizard Ryacudu.
expressing hope for bilateral cooperation to fight terrorism.

While Japan and Indonesia do not have overlapping territorial claims with China in the South China Sea, unlike Brunei, Vietnam, Malaysia and the Philippines among Asean members and Taiwan, both countries see the importance of upholding international law and freedom of navigation regarding the sea, Japanese officials said.

Experts in Asean affairs noted the strategic importance for Japan to forge a two-plus-two framework with Indonesia given its clout in Asean and Tokyo’s need to demonstrate even stronger ties with the regional bloc amid a severe security environment in Asia.

“Indonesia is a leader in Asean and has a major influence in Southeast Asia’s international politics. It has a big say on how Asean is moving forward,” said Mie Oba, a professor of international relations at the Tokyo University of Science.

“For Japan, setting up and launching a two-plus-two framework with regional-power Indonesia is significant in boosting Japan’s relations with Asean,” Oba said.

Tensions in the South China Sea, a key international shipping route, have heightened especially in the wake of China’s fast-paced and massive land reclamation work that has made smaller Asian claimants uneasy.

While Indonesia has mostly shied away from antagonising China in the territorial row, it is wary of China’s maritime forays and vast claims in the sea, given that China’s so-called “nine-dash line” territorial claim overlaps with Indonesia’s exclusive economic zone around the Natuna Islands.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Indonesian President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo agreed during their summit talks in March to arrange the two-plus-two meeting, following a deal struck between Abe and Jokowi’s predecessor, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, in December 2013 to launch the framework.

The meeting took place amid what the officials described as improving signs over Japan-Indonesia ties strained due to the Southeast Asian country’s decision to choose China over Japan for its first high-speed rail link.

Japan courts Indonesia with defence equipment as it seeks to counter China’s influence in Asia | South China Morning Post

 

[Jakartans@PkDef]

What do you mean of electronic warfare capability....? In a large scale do you mean mate...?

We know that even in early 2000's our 2 F 16 using that (jamming stuff) during dog fight with 5 USA F 18 above Bawean island.......

We also start to use satellite communnication now made by our own industry and has been connected to our warships

I dont think so, F-16 A/B jamming suit comes in Jamming Pod (AN/ALQ-131) attach to the wing and as far as i know we does not possess that equipment. The article of the dogfight is not clear and a bit of exaggeration, probably only chaff and flares released by our fighters when they get locked by USN F/A-18. Onboard electronic warfare suit only installed on later version of F-16 (block 50/52). For SEAD mission we must have dedicated electronic warfare /jammer platform and anti-radiation / radar-seeking missiles. Even during the latest TNI AU exercise, our SEAD flight / Sweepers only consisted of Su-30/27 firing rockets on the target.

 

[anas_nurhafidz]

Busiest plane in service and never rest from operation, War operation or non war...

 

[Old soldier never die]

1. I dont think so, F-16 A/B jamming suit comes in Jamming Pod (AN/ALQ-131) attach to the wing and as far as i know we does not possess that equipment. The article of the dogfight is not clear and a bit of exaggeration, probably only chaff and flares released by our fighters when they get locked by USN F/A-18. Onboard electronic warfare suit only installed on later version of F-16 (block 50/52). For SEAD mission we must have dedicated electronic warfare /jammer platform and anti-radiation / radar-seeking missiles. Even during the latest TNI AU exercise, our SEAD flight / Sweepers only consisted of Su-30/27 firing rockets on the target.

   
   On the dogfight in bawean, US NAVY jammed on our F 16 first to cut off communication between our two F 16 with POPUNAS but we have inbuild HAVE QUICK II secure frequency hopping system to protect military UHF radio traffic on our F 16 Block 15 OCU.
   
   More about Have Quick
   HAVE QUICK (also HAVEQUICK, short HQ) is a frequency-hopping system used to protect military UHF radio traffic.
   
   Since the end of World War II, U.S. and Allied military aircraft have used AM radios in the NATO harmonised 225–400 MHz UHF band[1] for short range air-to-air and ground-to-air communications. During development and the procurement of UHF radios, military planners did not require features to secure communications for aircraft and helicopters from jamming until the post-Vietnam War era. Progress in electronics in the 1970s reached a point where anyone with an inexpensive radio frequency scanner or receiver set could intercept military communications. Once the target frequencies were identified, radio frequency jamming could easily be employed to degrade or completely disable communications.
   
   The HAVE QUICK program was a response to this problem. Engineers recognized that newer aircraft radios already included all-channel frequency synthesizers along with keyboards and displays for data entry. The only other system requirements to achieve the desired " anti-jam functionality " were an accurate clock (for timed synchronization) and a microprocessor to addfrequency hopping to existing radios.
   
   Aircraft and ground radios that employ HAVE QUICK must be initialized with accurate Time Of Day (TOD) (usually from aGPS receiver), a Word Of the Day (WOD) which serves as a key, and a NET number (providing mode selection and multiple networks to use the same word of the day). The word of the day, time of day and net number are input to a cryptographic pseudorandom number generator that controls the frequency changes.
   
   HAVE QUICK is not an encryption system, though many HAVE QUICK radios can be used with encryption, e.g. the KY-58VINSON system. HAVE QUICK is not compatible with SINCGARS, the VHF - FM radios used by ground forces, which operate in a different radio band and use a different frequency hopping method; however some newer radios support both.
   

 

[Indos]

I dont think so, F-16 A/B jamming suit comes in Jamming Pod (AN/ALQ-131) attach to the wing and as far as i know we does not possess that equipment. The article of the dogfight is not clear and a bit of exaggeration, probably only chaff and flares released by our fighters when they get locked by USN F/A-18. Onboard electronic warfare suit only installed on later version of F-16 (block 50/52). For SEAD mission we must have dedicated electronic warfare /jammer platform and anti-radiation / radar-seeking missiles. Even during the latest TNI AU exercise, our SEAD flight / Sweepers only consisted of Su-30/27 firing rockets on the target.

That jamming thing that is used during the dog fight I heard from Angkasa magazine ( this year ) and it is the pilots themselves who said that, so the source is quite credible. There is a special report on that, 2 lead pilots ( each F 16 has 2 pilots) were interviewed.

 

[Jakartans@PkDef]

1. 
   
   On the dogfight in bawean, US NAVY jammed on our F 16 first to cut off communication between our two F 16 with POPUNAS but we have inbuild HAVE QUICK II secure frequency hopping system to protect military UHF radio traffic on our F 16 Block 15 OCU.
   
   More about Have Quick
   HAVE QUICK (also HAVEQUICK, short HQ) is a frequency-hopping system used to protect military UHF radio traffic.
   
   Since the end of World War II, U.S. and Allied military aircraft have used AM radios in the NATO harmonised 225–400 MHz UHF band[1] for short range air-to-air and ground-to-air communications. During development and the procurement of UHF radios, military planners did not require features to secure communications for aircraft and helicopters from jamming until the post-Vietnam War era. Progress in electronics in the 1970s reached a point where anyone with an inexpensive radio frequency scanner or receiver set could intercept military communications. Once the target frequencies were identified, radio frequency jamming could easily be employed to degrade or completely disable communications.
   
   The HAVE QUICK program was a response to this problem. Engineers recognized that newer aircraft radios already included all-channel frequency synthesizers along with keyboards and displays for data entry. The only other system requirements to achieve the desired " anti-jam functionality " were an accurate clock (for timed synchronization) and a microprocessor to addfrequency hopping to existing radios.
   
   Aircraft and ground radios that employ HAVE QUICK must be initialized with accurate Time Of Day (TOD) (usually from aGPS receiver), a Word Of the Day (WOD) which serves as a key, and a NET number (providing mode selection and multiple networks to use the same word of the day). The word of the day, time of day and net number are input to a cryptographic pseudorandom number generator that controls the frequency changes.
   
   HAVE QUICK is not an encryption system, though many HAVE QUICK radios can be used with encryption, e.g. the KY-58VINSON system. HAVE QUICK is not compatible with SINCGARS, the VHF - FM radios used by ground forces, which operate in a different radio band and use a different frequency hopping method; however some newer radios support both.

Thats for secure communication like what PT LEN build for the army backpack commuication with 100 hopping per second. We didnt have electronic warfare system to blind the enemy radars and thats very crucial factor in SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defense System), my first comment responding to the dumb bomb vs smart bombs in relation to modern airstrike capability referring to modernization of our strike capability which is integrated airstrike from UAV as tracker and target acquisition platform (by lasing) to the striker flight with smart bombs (laser guided munition). The discussion developed to other supporting aspect which is electronic warfare capability in suppressing the enemy radar using jamming platform.

That jamming thing that is used during the dog fight I heard from Angkasa magazine ( this year ) and it is the pilots themselves who said that, so the source is quite credible. There is a special report on that, 2 lead pilots ( each F 16 has 2 pilots) were interviewed.

I think its like @Old soldier never die just say in his post above - it refers to communication jamming where we have secure anti-jamming communication system.
But what im talking about our SEAD capability is to suppress enemy radars / air defense system, blinding their radar and neutralize it using anti radiation / radar-seeker missile.
This is related to our previous conversation about Smart vs Dumb bombs. When u say its too high-tech, im responding by explain it that such capability is standard for modern air warfare because strategic airstrike cannot be done effectively by using dumb bomb in today standard. Not to mention if the target located in dense population area. We cannot just carpet-bombing them since it will result in massive collateral damage, low accuracy and higher risk to our striker flight since they will come inside enemy SHORAD range.

 

[Indos]

“Indonesia is a leader in Asean and has a major influence in Southeast Asia’s international politics. It has a big say on how Asean is moving forward,” said Mie Oba, a professor of international relations at the Tokyo University of Science.

“For Japan, setting up and launching a two-plus-two framework with regional-power Indonesia is significant in boosting Japan’s relations with Asean,” Oba said.

This should be bolt, so it is not us, Indonesian PDF members, who should be blame every time we mention about our political weight in here................

Who want to argue with a Japanese Professor in international relations from a reputable world class university......... ....................................................