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He met with both Lockheed Martin and Boeing officials. From here I would say the chance is likely only in upgrading our 23 F16 C/D block 52 into Viper standard since Minister of Planning has approved the F16 upgrade program and it has been inside Green Book (Approved by Planning Minister as priority program). It is now waiting Finance Ministry approval (getting PSP).
While for Boeing meeting, the meeting IMO is unlikely to proceed into something tangible for F15 EX acquisition program since even the program is not yet inserted into Minister of Planning Blue Book (approved foreign loan program for 2022-2024 period). Blue Book is just first step before entering Green Book, but the program is not even entering Blue Book yet......
The one that has entered both Blue Book and Green Book for MRCA acquisition program is foreign loan backed acquisition program for another 6-12 Rafale planes to complete Rafale into just one squadron (12-18 planes). It is reported to advance further from listed in Green Book into getting PSP (Finance Ministry Approval) as Alman Helvast said and now we are waiting the money to be actually allocated on the budget. The money (in the form of RMP/down payment for foreign loan) will be given in either 2023 (I heard there is some additional fund for 2023 Defense Budget) or 2024 which is the last year of Jokowi administration. Jokowi cannot extend his administration as he has already got 2 term in Presidential office.
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Indonesian special forces take part in the counter terrorism exercise ahead of the G20 Summit Meeting in Denpasar, Bali, Indonesia on October 19, 2022. Indonesia National Agency of Counter Terrorism held a three days anti-terror drill involving anti-terror police squad and special armed forces in order to train preparedness against terrorism acts during G20 Summit Meeting in Bali. The practice includes guarding security perimeters, biological chemical toxic threats, bomb defusing, and suspect ambush.
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Defense self-sufficiency key for strong Indonesia: official
19th October 2022Secretary general of National Resilience Council, Vice Admiral Harjo Susmoro (center), after the council's 2022 2nd pre-assembly meeting in Jakarta on Tuesday (October 18, 2022). (ANTARA/Melalusa Susthira K)
Jakarta (ANTARA) - Indonesia must achieve self-sufficiency in the defense industry to develop a strong and resilient nation, secretary general of the National Resilience Council, Vice Admiral Harjo Susmoro, has said.
"Without self-sufficiency in the defense industry, it is nonsense that we will become a strong country," Susmoro remarked here on Tuesday.
The National Resilience Council earlier organized a pre-assembly meeting to perfect the draft of the national strategic plan. Apart from the national defense industry, the meeting also discussed recommendations on the internationalization of the Papuan issue, warehouse system optimization, and digital talent development.
Susmoro said that the national defense industry is not maturing to an established level as envisaged by Law No. 16 of 2012 on the National Defence Industry.
"At present, the result is far from significant fruition, it is even still far from our expectations. The government's target of self-sufficiency by 2029 still a long way to go," the secretary general added.
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Based on observations and discussions on the national defense industry, Indonesia's defense industry self-sufficiency is still at the basic level, despite its success in recording a high domestic component level (TKDN), Susmoro highlighted.
"We see that the TKDN is already surpassing the 40-percent mark, yet the (level of) self-sufficiency is far from our expectation," he said.
Indonesia must achieve self-sufficiency in the defense industry -- which is vital for national security -- before achieving self-sufficiency in other sectors, he underlined.
"We cannot just achieve self-sufficiency, as it needs gradual means. While we are in peace, it is the time to bolster our self-sufficiency as we still have time," Susmoro said.
Moreover, he expressed the hope that the Defence Industry Policy Committee (KKIP) will improve its performance in developing Indonesia's defense industry.
"We will try to benchmark (our industry) with countries that have successfully developed (defense industry) self-sufficiency, such as Turkey and the United Arab Emirates," he added.
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See the plan of Indonesian Aerospace for this advanced composite material. This new composite manufacturing facility can both be used for civilian and military plane, including for KF21 program.
Indonesia Aerospace will be part of KF21 supply chain as well, meaning the parts like wing and tail being produced in Indonesian Aerospace will not only be used for IFX, but also for all KF21 planes in South Korea and also for KF21 export version around the world.
With the sign of new MOU with Airbus on aerostructure business, the upgrade of Indonesian Aerospace composite manufacturing facility is a must. Airbus plane is in booming now, after what happen with their main competitor, Boeing, with their plane accidents some years ago.
European 5 generation program is still facing hurdles while we see both TFX and AMCA prototypes are not yet being manufactured. With the low cost and the capability that could be regarded as 4.7 generation plane, I see KF21 block 2 will likely become magnet for any countries who seek low cost fighters and also for countries who cannot buy F 35 plane (just like Indonesia). Of course it is with the assumption that whole development program doesnt see any meaningful hurdles and can be completed (getting type certificate) as plan in 2026.
More over with US sanction on Russia, it makes many countries will avoid Russia fighter planes as well, so getting less competitor for KF21 program from Russia aerospace is likely to happen. Countries like Philippine have already shown interest, and Malaysia is still even delaying their MRCA acquisition plan into 2028. Indonesia is very likely to only operate 12 Rafales (instead of 42 planes) and so far no acquisition program for F 15 EX in Bappenas (Planning Ministry) put on blue book.
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I hear a doubt from Korean people which is stated by Korean member in other forum about Indonesia seriousness in building IFX production facility, well Indonesia has already made production hangar for IFX program and basically as the plane development is still about 4 years from now to complete if all goes to the plan, so why is so rush to complete the production hangar.....? All money invested should have had good return and completing the infrastructure too soon will make we have to pay for the interest while the facility will be idle for several years.........Let alone the fact that Indonesian current administration is very detail and focus when it comes to economic development and financing.
KF21/IFX production hangar and facility
Left: Autoclave in IFX composite hangar,
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, Right: robotic arm (TTU Machine) to assist IFX production activities. The Autoclave a few years ago had been exposed.
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Well some facility have been set up there, but not yet complete. The one that can be pushed sooner is the composite production facility for the KF21 program. The composite can both serve civilian and military program, those Korean who understand what type of composite being used for the KF21 program should understand that Indonesia is about to complete the facility inshaAllah. More over the facility is also crucial for Indonesian Aerospace business expansion into composite part manufacturing business that has been stated by Indonesian Aerospace Director
Indonesian Aerospace has already gotten approved budget from Minister of Finance that is part of Defense ID holding investment for Indonesian Aerospace, PT PAL Indonesia, Dahana, Pindad, and LEN around 1.7 trillion Rupiah.
The initial plan for Indonesian Aerospace is to increase production of CN 235, N219, and upgrade their composite facility, but since the approved budget for Defense ID is only 1.7 trillion Rupiah, instead of the proposed 3 trillion Rupiah, so common sense will make us predict that Indonesian Aerospace will pick composite production facility and halt their plan to increase production of CN235 and N219.
It is because composite part business has more probability to add more sales and profit to Indonesian Aerospace as they have made recent MOU with Airbus to increase Indonesian Aerospace stake in Airbus value chain while CN 235 future sales seems dire after Airbus introduce C295 and N 219 still needs more time to mature before entering international market so no need to be rush in increasing N219 production facility until improved version of N 219 is introduced and we can have more clarity about N219 market competitiveness.
With the sign of new MOU with Airbus on aerostructure business, the upgrade of Indonesian Aerospace composite manufacturing facility is a must. Airbus plane is in booming now, after what happen with their main competitor, Boeing, with their plane accidents some years ago.
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Korean no need to worry about Prabowo plan on Rafale and F15 EX program, so far only 1 squadron of Rafale that has financing backing commitment (12-18 planes), while no plan whatsoever from Minister of planning so far to add more Rafale planes and buy F15 EX until Jokowi administration is over.
Previously we want to buy SU35 during 2014-2019 Jokowi administration, but we abandon the plan in Jokowi second term administration due to CATSA worry. Second hand Mirage 2000 acquisition plan is executed because of it serves as interim fighters.
Just see my thread about Indonesia Defense Procurement program in Indonesian Defense Forum which I give more explanation and credible sources.
Prabowo is unlikely to win Presidential election either based on survey and its trend. If Anies Baswedan won the Presidential Election then there is Democrat Party behind him. Democrat Party is lead by Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono family where he is the one that accept South Korea proposal in 2009 to join KFX/IFX program.
During his administration, Indonesia keep their promise in sending experienced design engineers and paying R&D cost on time while waiting South Korean parliament to approve the next development of the program. If there is no Indonesia, there is chance KFX/IFX program is stopped by the South Korean parliament or being forced to accept Korean Aerospace (KAI) KFX design with less ambitious STEALTH version and only has single engine.
Better they see what happened in the past as we were patience in the side line when the program is stopped in 2013-2014 after 2 KFX design with double engine have been produced by ADD Korea and Indonesian Aerospace which become the basic design of KF21 prototype. So, both of us have our own shortcoming and deeds.
See the year of 2012 (KAI Korea and Lockheed Martin only joined the program since 2016)
And compare it with KF21/IFX prototype
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"Program KFX / IFX is a multi - program years , costly, and involve various sectors and foreign partners. For that there must be a definite declaration on it goes. For Indonesia it is important to determine the financing schemes and their human resources planning, "said Dr Rais Zain, M. Eng , KFX / IFX Configuration Design Leader for Angkasa , in late January.
"In the near future Indonesia will also work on the N219 and R - 80. We do not have enough engineers to work three programs, especially KFX / IFX will take place until the 2020s. The government is expected to call home engineers who are now working abroad to come help the regeneration process. Outside there are approximately 200 people . If half of it can be returned to the country, it is enough to help, " added Rais who is also a lecturer at the Faculty of Aerospace Engineering ITB, Bandung.
Superior to the Su - 35 Program, KFX / IFX was stopped temporarily by Korea's new leader Park Geun - Hye end of 2012 after reviewing the state financially in the country. This prestigious project was worked on since the beginning of 2011, shortly after President Lee Myung - bak and President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono confirmed the bilateral cooperation in the defense field in Jakarta. From the Technology Development Phase that has been completed, a team of scientists has completed a number of conical design that later became two.
The two designs is a model of the stealth fighter jet -winning twin-engine air superiority with horizontally - tails in the back, and the other one is with canards on the front. "Each has consequences different financing and partners. Thus , it must first be decided which one is selected. It is important that when followed, all parties are ready to do it , "said Rais Zain , whose day-to- day lecturer at the Faculty of Engineering, Aerospace Engineering,ITB, Bandung.
Previously we want to buy SU35 during 2014-2019 Jokowi administration, but we abandon the plan in Jokowi second term administration due to CATSA worry. Second hand Mirage 2000 acquisition plan is executed because of it serves as interim fighters.
Just see my thread about Indonesia Defense Procurement program in Indonesian Defense Forum which I give more explanation and credible sources.
Indonesia defense acquisition program 2020-2024
This is the thread for procurement program in Jokowi final term. I will posted the 2022 procurement budget first, then if I have time I will post contracts being signed since 2021. For the year 2020 the procurement is small and more into local defense industry, so I dont cover it much. This...
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Prabowo is unlikely to win Presidential election either based on survey and its trend. If Anies Baswedan won the Presidential Election then there is Democrat Party behind him. Democrat Party is lead by Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono family where he is the one that accept South Korea proposal in 2009 to join KFX/IFX program.
During his administration, Indonesia keep their promise in sending experienced design engineers and paying R&D cost on time while waiting South Korean parliament to approve the next development of the program. If there is no Indonesia, there is chance KFX/IFX program is stopped by the South Korean parliament or being forced to accept Korean Aerospace (KAI) KFX design with less ambitious STEALTH version and only has single engine.
Better they see what happened in the past as we were patience in the side line when the program is stopped in 2013-2014 after 2 KFX design with double engine have been produced by ADD Korea and Indonesian Aerospace which become the basic design of KF21 prototype. So, both of us have our own shortcoming and deeds.
See the year of 2012 (KAI Korea and Lockheed Martin only joined the program since 2016)
And compare it with KF21/IFX prototype
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"Program KFX / IFX is a multi - program years , costly, and involve various sectors and foreign partners. For that there must be a definite declaration on it goes. For Indonesia it is important to determine the financing schemes and their human resources planning, "said Dr Rais Zain, M. Eng , KFX / IFX Configuration Design Leader for Angkasa , in late January.
"In the near future Indonesia will also work on the N219 and R - 80. We do not have enough engineers to work three programs, especially KFX / IFX will take place until the 2020s. The government is expected to call home engineers who are now working abroad to come help the regeneration process. Outside there are approximately 200 people . If half of it can be returned to the country, it is enough to help, " added Rais who is also a lecturer at the Faculty of Aerospace Engineering ITB, Bandung.
Superior to the Su - 35 Program, KFX / IFX was stopped temporarily by Korea's new leader Park Geun - Hye end of 2012 after reviewing the state financially in the country. This prestigious project was worked on since the beginning of 2011, shortly after President Lee Myung - bak and President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono confirmed the bilateral cooperation in the defense field in Jakarta. From the Technology Development Phase that has been completed, a team of scientists has completed a number of conical design that later became two.
The two designs is a model of the stealth fighter jet -winning twin-engine air superiority with horizontally - tails in the back, and the other one is with canards on the front. "Each has consequences different financing and partners. Thus , it must first be decided which one is selected. It is important that when followed, all parties are ready to do it , "said Rais Zain , whose day-to- day lecturer at the Faculty of Engineering, Aerospace Engineering,ITB, Bandung.
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