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76mm strales CIWS + oto breda 127mmOr we could change the config into 1x 127 mm gun and 2x ciws
Wtf since when did jet fighters have anything to do with religion lol?Turki Lirik RI Jadi Mitra Program TF-X, Jet Tempur Umat Islam
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Selasa 14 Januari 2020 - 11:19 WIB
Kerumunan orang berkumpul di sekitar model skala penuh dari TF-X Turkish Aerospace Industries di Paris Air Show pada 17 Juni 2019. Foto/Valerie Insinna/Staff/Defense News
ANKARA - Perusahaan dirgantara milik negara Turki mengundang Malaysia untuk bergabung dengan program jet tempur asli Ankara, TF-X. Perusahaan juga mempertimbangkan mengajak Indonesia sebagai mitra potensial dari program pesawat yang oleh Ankara disebut sebagai "jet tempur pertama umat Islam".
Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) mengembangkan pesawat tempur lokal setelah Ankara ditangguhkan keanggotaannya dari program konsorsium bersama F-35 Joint Strike Fighter yang dipimpin Amerika Serikat (AS).
CEO TAI, Temel Kotil, mengatakan dia sekarang menunggu balasan Malaysia. Pada tahun lalu, TAI menandatangani nota kesepahaman dengan negara Asia tersebut untuk produksi bersama komposit TF-X.
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TAI juga mempertimbangkan Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh dan Kazakhstan sebagai mitra potensial atau pembeli jet tempur masa depan itu.
"(TF-X) akan menjadi jet tempur besar pertama umat Islam," kata Kotil, seperti dikutip Defense News, Selasa (14/1/2020). "Membangun pesawat terlebih dahulu dan kemudian menjualnya adalah modalitas. Tetapi kami pikir lebih baik jika kami menerima mitra pada tahap ini," ujarnya.
Perusahaan juga mengundang Malaysia untuk jadi mitra dalam program Hurkus, sebuah pesawat latih dan pesawat penyerang ringan.
Di sisi lain, pemerintah Turki ingin menghidupkan kembali pembicaraan dengan perusahaan Inggris Rolls-Royce untuk desain dan produksi TF-X.
Menteri Luar Negeri Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu mengatakan pada bulan Desember lalu bahwa pemerintah ingin bergerak maju dengan kerjasama yang direncanakan dengan Inggris untuk produksi pesawat. Namun, Turki pertama-tama harus memilih mesin untuk TF-X dan kemudian menyelesaikan desain pesawat secara penuh, sebuah proses yang tertinggal dari jadwal.
Kesepakatan senilai USD131 juta antara Rolls-Royce dan pabrikan Turki, Kale Group, secara efektif ditunda di tengah ketidakpastian transfer teknologi.
Pada Oktober 2016, Rolls-Royce menawarkan kemitraan produksi bersama kepada Turki untuk memperkuat platform yang direncanakan negara itu. Tawaran itu melibatkan penjualan potensial kepada pihak ketiga dan unit produksi di Turki guna memproduksi mesin untuk TF-X serta helikopter, tank dan rudal.
Pejabat kedirgantaraan dan pengadaan Turki berharap bisa menerbangkan TF-X dalam kerangka waktu 2025-2026, meskipun target aslinya tahun 2023.
https://international.sindonews.com...program-tf-x-jet-tempur-umat-islam-1578975549
But anyway, dies "Malaysian aerospace industry" capable to build a full working aircraft? at least a full airframe?
i couldn't blame it , but the current administration of turkey is a conservative and under one of the most powerful clandestine global islamic organization , and that sounds like it was a rhetoric statement for "nilai jual" , especially with majority of indonesian people love to hear about "islamic solidarity" stuff , maybe could help things for the turk lobbyist to get easier acceptance.Wtf since when did jet fighters have anything to do with religion lol?
Still, KFX/IFX is a safer bet than the TFX, we already have significant ties with South Korea, and the fact the program is already halfway there, we should not look elsewhere and just focus on the KFX. But anyway, dies "Malaysian aerospace industry" capable to build a full working aircraft? at least a full airframe?
Because our entire doctrine and constitution pretty much keeps us towards operating within our EEZ? We have literally zero interests abroad. Why bother having big costly ships and send them outside our waters? Flexing? That's not a viable defense strategy.Because IMO that card is not playable, blackmailing them to get something in exchange of purchasing their MAX plane? I don't think public would like to fly using MAX again, I think it will take years to get the public trust, its too risky for the airline.
Even from the released Boeing internal message, some employees won't let their family to fly on MAX.
Blackmailing Boeing by threatening not to buy their other jet? Our airliners need them tho.
Maybe Lion Air can blackmail Boeing because Boeing employee called Lion Air stupid. Hm....
We already threatening EU (Airbus), because of the palm oil discrimination, though we are not saying it clearly.
Then that should be the goal, a decent number of this big ship.
Implying that naval combat will only happen in our own water.
Our water area is so big, and its not only banda shelf we also have the pacific ocean front, indian ocean front north natuna front and our eastern waters which are quite deep.
We should face the enemy on the high seas, not waiting them to get close to our shores. We should venture to the north natuna sea rather than waiting and hiding between natuna island chain. Should face the enemy from south directly rather than waiting and hiding around lombok strait, bali strait, alas strait, alor strait etc, or waiting around chain of island there, we need to patrol and hunt enemy submarines too.
Having assets that can do hit and run tactic are good, but why limit our capabilities to only that?
Because our entire doctrine and constitution pretty much keeps us towards operating within our EEZ? We have literally zero interests abroad. Why bother having big costly ships and send them outside our waters? Flexing? That's not a viable defense strategy.
And even if you want to face adversaries in the high seas, how do you propose replenishing and rearming them? Ship-2-Ship replenishment is not an effective way of keeping our ships battle ready. Eventually they need to re-dock, which you can't do during blue water operations far from your shore. Unlike China we have no naval bases abroad. Within our EEZ we have the strategic advantage of having ports to replenish our ships, Airbases for MPA's and AShW equipped strike fighters, and shore based AShW batteries. The ball is in our court. Why sacrifice all that just to send a couple of ship outside where they'd likely be outnumbered and outgunned? National pride? Formil circle jerking?
So PT PAL identifies an FAC as an OPV?We should find another name. KCR does not fit especially when its speed is just over 26-27knots. Maybe KPS-60 is better.
How about Kapal Patroli Pesisir?So PT PAL identifies an FAC as an OPV?We should find another name. KCR does not fit especially when its speed is just over 26-27knots. Maybe KPS-60 is better.
KPS stands for Kapal Patroli Samudra
American VLS also can used for aster15/30 so maybe if we cant get US weapon we can take french vice versamk41/57 series VLS
Since then, the military has believed any threat to Indonesia will come internally through groups who secretly support and help the enemies of the country, instead of from external direct military invasion.
Rolls-Royce menawarkan kemitraan produksi bersama kepada Turki untuk memperkuat platform yang direncanakan negara itu.
Di media turki gada yg bilang gtu deh misal "ilk musluman savas ucagi" gada yang da "mili muharip ucagi" wkwkkwkwWtf since when did jet fighters have anything to do with religion lol?
Turki gak mau cuman dkasih 20% doang maunya 40% awalnya mrk mau join kfx. KFX use eurojet? Is kfx use f414 same engine use by gripen amd f18?It will be good if Turkey just join KFX, but well different requirements I guess.
we actually have the police for that, i just hope that young minds somehow made it to the top of the military and make serious reforms.the current admin decision to appoint a chief of staff from the air force is a good but very small step for that.Very old mindset from our armed force, why not we make a mew branch dealing speacillay for internal trouble? Volunteer or reserved force like US national guard maybe good or french style gendermarie or russian mdv troop.
Still we think internall problem more threat that foreign invasion. If we afraid rebel armed by foreign govt like permesta so likely our govt must has good intel etc to counter problem like that and not just TNI to dealing with rebel.