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Bung Tomo Class while in formation

 

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Trying RHIB in Bung Tomo Class, credit to Peliosaurus and kenyot10

 

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preparation for National Armed Forces Anniversary day

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RI to strengthen defense in South China Sea
Fadli, The Jakarta Post, Batam | Headlines | Mon, September 29 2014, 9:45 AM

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To increase its military defenses in the South China Sea, the government is preparing to establish an F16 fighter jet squadron in Pekanbaru, Riau Islands, and an Apache helicopter squadron near the South China Sea.

Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro said the government had decided upon the measure to safeguard Asia’s largest gas field exploration at Riau Islands’ East Natuna field, formerly known as the Natuna-D Alpha block, which is set for development in the near future.

“Oil and gas production in the South China Sea is immense and we are about to develop the biggest gas field in Asia. We need to secure it as a national strategic object,” Purnomo said Saturday on the sidelines of the launch of five attack missile boats and one fast patrol boat at the Batu Ampar container port in Batam, Riau Islands.

During the event, Purnomo said investment in the country’s defense system had been extensive over the past five years, adding that the amount was three times larger than the investment during the 2005-2009 government administration and five times larger than the 2000-2004 administration.

The former energy and mineral resources minister said the F16 squadron would enhance the existing fighter squadron in Pekanbaru, which is home to a number of Hawk 100 and 200 weapons system jets.

“There will be a LIFT [lead-in fighter trainer] fighter jet, Hawk 100 and 200 jets as well as the latest series of F16 C/D jets. [We need them] because there are many strategic projects in the area,” Purnomo said, while declining to comment on the disputes in the South China Sea.

Indonesia has been warned that the territorial disputes over certain islands in the South China Sea is a real threat that could sooner or later impact this country.

Head of the Maritime Security Coordinating Board (Bakorkamla), Vice Adm. Desi Albert Mamahit, said Indonesia’s waters off Riau Islands were not part of the disputed territory. However, they were very close to the area and China had not yet clarified what claims it would make regarding Indonesia’s exclusive economic zone around them.

“This is clearly a real threat for Indonesia,” said Desi, who is also rector of the Indonesia Defense
University.

He said Indonesia needed to be prepared to deal with any move made by any party involved in the disputes.

He said China had claimed ownership over the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands by saying the waters around them were traditional Chinese fishing areas, even though they are located thousands of kilometers from the Chinese mainland.

At the same time, a number of ASEAN member states, namely Vietnam, Malaysia, the Philippines and Brunei Darussalam, also claim ownership over territory in the South China Sea.

“This is complicated as there are conflicts between fellow ASEAN member countries and China. It makes it difficult to speak with one voice, although so far ASEAN solidarity has been maintained,” Desi said.

RI to strengthen defense in South China Sea | The Jakarta Post

 

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Submarine squadron
KRI Nanggala 402

KRI Cakra 401

Loading the AEG Heavy Weight SUT Torpedo, locally built by Indonesian Aerospace (IAe), PT Dirgantara Indonesia under the license of Allgemeine Elektrizitäts-Gesellschaft Germany.

KRI Cakra sailing with missile corvette KRI Fatahillah 361

KRI Nanggala 402 sailing with Los Angeles Class submarine USS Oklahoma City (SSN-723)

 

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An Eurocopter Dauphin Test landing in KRI Bung Tomo

Sebuah helikopter Anti Kapal Selam (AKS) jenis Eurocopter SA 365/AS365 Dauphin 2 (Dolphin) milik Skuadron Udara 100 TNI AL mendarat di geladak KRI Bung Tomo (TOM-357) di Selat Madura, Senin (29/9). Dauphin adalah helikopter medium-berat serbaguna bermesin ganda yang diproduksi oleh Eurocopter, TNI AL berhasil menguji pendaratan, lepas landas, cross deck landing dan touch and go dengan kapal perusak ringan (Multi Role Light Fregate/MRLF) baru buatan Inggris yang sejauh ini dianggap tidak stabil. (ANTARA FOTO/Joko Sulistyo)

 

[Genesis]

Cautious approach, since we know China can only respect power more than words. But we know China can be reasoned more than Russia in any way.

i think Indonesia can using her diplomatic cards in line with to preparing and beefed up our defense system in and around Natuna. And with that, Indonesia must using all of diplomatic cards to made the status quo to be maintained as long as she can. Promoting joint patrol, join naval exercises and code of conduct between ASEAN countries, PR of China, Japan and US in South China Sea area is one thing came up to my mind to de-escalate the tension and bringing the freedom of Navigation here in South China Sea.

I think the ball is in Indonesia's court right now, Indonesia is clearly the big wolf on campus in the ASEAN arena, now we don't need Indonesia's support, but would Indonesia consider turning a blind eye for certain actions.

Right now the rocks and what not is not very defined within the map, it could or couldn't be in our claims, it really depends. We have been there, but we also didn't say much. There's room for us to leave that part of the sea alone.

Truth be told we would do what we do either way, but how Indonesia reacts would determined how we react.

Bringing US into the equation seems the only solution for ASEAN to maintain status quo, the question for you is, is status quo really beneficial to you. When you become more developed down the line, what do you want to gain from ASEAN and would a status quo power like America, allow for it, especially since a few are their allies.

 

[Aepsilons]

I think the ball is in Indonesia's court right now, Indonesia is clearly the big wolf on campus in the ASEAN arena, now we don't need Indonesia's support, but would Indonesia consider turning a blind eye for certain actions.

Right now the rocks and what not is not very defined within the map, it could or couldn't be in our claims, it really depends. We have been there, but we also didn't say much. There's room for us to leave that part of the sea alone.

Truth be told we would do what we do either way, but how Indonesia reacts would determined how we react.

Bringing US into the equation seems the only solution for ASEAN to maintain status quo, the question for you is, is status quo really beneficial to you. When you become more developed down the line, what do you want to gain from ASEAN and would a status quo power like America, allow for it, especially since a few are their allies.

One thing that I admire about Indonesia is that despite her shear power and size, political economy of Indonesia shows that the government in Jakarta is willing to resolve prevailing boundary issues. Within the past year, both Indonesia and the Philippines had signed a maritime boundary accord. The fact that Indonesia had teh political will to do so, given the Philippines' shear military weakness in comparison to Indonesia, shows to ASEAN and to a larger extent, the Asia-Pacific Community, that Indonesia is a responsible, and reliable ascendant power.One should also observe / study how Indonesia treats , communicates with her much smaller neighbors that include Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei. The word hegemony does not come to mind, rather, cooperation comes to the fore.

As Indonesia's economy continues to grow, as she responds to new threats, new equations, it will benefit her to expand her partners to include the United States, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, ASEAN, as well as PRC, India. And I agree to what Ms. @madokafc when she said that joint naval patrols would help enforce stability, as well as a binding code of conduct of the seas.

 

[Indos]

One thing that I admire about Indonesia is that despite her shear power and size, political economy of Indonesia shows that the government in Jakarta is willing to resolve prevailing boundary issues. Within the past year, both Indonesia and the Philippines had signed a maritime boundary accord. The fact that Indonesia had teh political will to do so, given the Philippines' shear military weakness in comparison to Indonesia, shows to ASEAN and to a larger extent, the Asia-Pacific Community, that Indonesia is a responsible, and reliable ascendant power.One should also observe / study how Indonesia treats , communicates with her much smaller neighbors that include Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei. The word hegemony does not come to mind, rather, cooperation comes to the fore.

As Indonesia's economy continues to grow, as she responds to new threats, new equations, it will benefit her to expand her partners to include the United States, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, ASEAN, as well as PRC, India. And I agree to what Ms. @madokafc when she said that joint naval patrols would help enforce stability, as well as a binding code of conduct of the seas.

Not only with Philipine, but also Singapore.

 

[baukiki88]

So... what will be the F-5 replacement be decided? Heard it is going to be Eurofighter.

 

[Nike]

I think the ball is in Indonesia's court right now, Indonesia is clearly the big wolf on campus in the ASEAN arena, now we don't need Indonesia's support, but would Indonesia consider turning a blind eye for certain actions.

Right now the rocks and what not is not very defined within the map, it could or couldn't be in our claims, it really depends. We have been there, but we also didn't say much. There's room for us to leave that part of the sea alone.

Truth be told we would do what we do either way, but how Indonesia reacts would determined how we react.

Bringing US into the equation seems the only solution for ASEAN to maintain status quo, the question for you is, is status quo really beneficial to you. When you become more developed down the line, what do you want to gain from ASEAN and would a status quo power like America, allow for it, especially since a few are their allies.

Freedom of Navigation in SCS and our aspire to become the maritime power who utilize the free pass for every crucial sea lane is in our best interest and to maintain the status quo in SCS is a must to achieve that.

 

[Genesis]

Freedom of Navigation in SCS and our aspire to become the maritime power who utilize the free pass for every crucial sea lane is in our best interest and to maintain the status quo in SCS is a must to achieve that.

any original ideas not based on propaganda? You want freedom of navigation, on the list of great trade nations, Indonesia is no where, we on the other hand is number one, who do you think affects more if there isn't any freedom of navigation. See, just because some people keep saying something doesn't make it true.

 

[Nike]

any original ideas not based on propaganda? You want freedom of navigation, on the list of great trade nations, Indonesia is no where, we on the other hand is number one, who do you think affects more if there isn't any freedom of navigation. See, just because some people keep saying something doesn't make it true.

It is not propaganda, it's all about business and economy. But the real fact Indonesia is an archipelago countries, even though our export and import is much less than China but the truth is our trade lane come and by by sea. And we can't ignore the facts if our trade partners mainly is China, Japan, South Korea, US of A, Taiwan, Singapore and Russia, and almost all of our important trading line crossing the South China Sea. Another thing, in which we regard the extensive value of Status Quo in South China sea is Indonesia want to utilize the freedom of navigation in South China Sea to compete in business shipping line and commercial cargo by sea against China and Singapore shipping industry. And if China can completing their control over South China Sea it will be a dead end for our commercial shipping industries because surely China can made a new navigation rules who bring more benefit for their own shipping industries back home, and those rules will be enforced by their own coast guard. And another thing in which has become our main concern is about fisheries industries, South China Sea until now become the main sources fish catch. We can't let PRC completely controlling over SCS, if its happened it will become a death notes for our Maritime power aspiration.

 

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Latihan Anti TerorSejumlah prajurit TNI Yonif 900/Raider Kodam IX Udayana melakukan pengejaran teroris dengan kendaraan tempur dalam latihan penanggulangan teroris di Denpasar, Bali, Selasa (30/9). Simulasi yang melibatkan sedikitnya 50 prajurit anti teror tersebut untuk meningkatkan kesigapan prajurit dalam mengantisipasi ancaman teroris khususnya di Bali yang selalu menjadi tolok ukur keamanan bagi masyarakat internasional. (ANTARA FOTO/Nyoman Budhiana)

Latihan Anti TerorTiga prajurit TNI Yonif 900/Raider Kodam IX Udayana menyelamatkan sandera dari atas bus dalam latihan penanggulangan teroris di Denpasar, Bali, Selasa (30/9). Simulasi yang melibatkan sedikitnya 50 prajurit anti teror tersebut untuk meningkatkan kesigapan prajurit dalam mengantisipasi ancaman teroris khususnya di Bali yang selalu menjadi tolok ukur keamanan bagi masyarakat internasional. (ANTARA FOTO/Nyoman Budhiana)

Latihan Anti TerorTiga prajurit TNI Yonif 900/Raider Kodam IX Udayana menyelamatkan sandera dari atas bus dalam latihan penanggulangan teroris di Denpasar, Bali, Selasa (30/9). Simulasi yang melibatkan sedikitnya 50 prajurit anti teror tersebut untuk meningkatkan kesigapan prajurit dalam mengantisipasi ancaman teroris khususnya di Bali yang selalu menjadi tolok ukur keamanan bagi masyarakat internasional. (ANTARA FOTO/Nyoman Budhiana)

 

[Genesis]

It is not propaganda, it's all about business and economy. But the real fact Indonesia is an archipelago countries, even though our export and import is much less than China but the truth is our trade lane come and by by sea. And we can't ignore the facts if our trade partners mainly is China, Japan, South Korea, US of A, Taiwan, Singapore and Russia, and almost all of our important trading line crossing the South China Sea. Another thing, in which we regard the extensive value of Status Quo in South China sea is Indonesia want to utilize the freedom of navigation in South China Sea to compete in business shipping line and commercial cargo by sea against China and Singapore shipping industry. And if China can completing their control over South China Sea it will be a dead end for our commercial shipping industries because surely China can made a new navigation rules who bring more benefit for their own shipping industries back home, and those rules will be enforced by their own coast guard. And another thing in which has become our main concern is about fisheries industries, South China Sea until now become the main sources fish catch. We can't let PRC completely controlling over SCS, if its happened it will become a death notes for our Maritime power aspiration.

Yea that's not going to happen, and you say it's not propaganda, the fact you would even think China would do something like that speaks volume. We have so much FDI and our country grows at such a rate is not because we don't allow competition.

in terms of fisheries, one of the reasons for the ambiguous nature of our dispute is that even if claimed, it's a very small area, not enough to affect it.


Lastly, I seen the Indo navy, go check out China's, see if 1960s Frigate is really the answer to our navy. If we want to control SCS like you said, which is with overwhelming force, we could.