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This Su-35 drama is pretty much like these cheap *** sinetron they air on TV, the story goes back and forth with no end in sight, and every news about it is always anticlimatic. This is just not worth it anymore man, even when they finally arrive, we can't be sure whether they would be a good investment and asset in the decades to come. Having a logistical burden as the prime strategic acquisition project of the MoD is a seriously wrong decision IMO, i just can't see the prospect of 11 Su-35s for the future of TNI-AU.
 
US minta Indonesia buat beli produk mereka, soal pertahanan aja ya, yg pasti dilirik sih mesin pesawat GE CT7, hercules C130J, komponen avionik pendukung lainnya banyak dr honeywell, lalu ada lagi F 16V, missil sistem juga kedepan ada kode keras bakalan pake US punya termasuk utk AL dgn VLS universalnya, walaupun bukan prioritas.
 
US minta Indonesia buat beli produk mereka, soal pertahanan aja ya, yg pasti dilirik sih mesin pesawat GE CT7, hercules C130J, komponen avionik pendukung lainnya banyak dr honeywell, lalu ada lagi F 16V, missil sistem juga kedepan ada kode keras bakalan pake US punya termasuk utk AL dgn VLS universalnya, walaupun bukan prioritas.
Banyak scale model KFX/IFX terpasang Meteor dan IRIS-T, itu kira-kira bagaimana kemungkinan "lanjut"nya? karena melihat tren mengarah pada Viper, sepertinya prioritas order adalah untuk AMRAAM dan Sidewinder kedepannya (atau malah ikut pakai AAM yang dikembangin Korsel?). Kalo masalah VLS, masih abu-abu apakah AL beneran segitu berani pakai Mk41 dan Mk56.
 
Banyak scale model KFX/IFX terpasang Meteor dan IRIS-T, itu kira-kira bagaimana kemungkinan "lanjut"nya? karena melihat tren mengarah pada Viper, sepertinya prioritas order adalah untuk AMRAAM dan Sidewinder kedepannya (atau malah ikut pakai AAM yang dikembangin Korsel?). Kalo masalah VLS, masih abu-abu apakah AL beneran segitu berani pakai Mk41 dan Mk56.

Pake Slyver kombo Aster/Mica kemahalan, juga urusan sawit bikin menkeu sama mendag agak sewot kalo pake barang Prancis ama Jerman.
 
Ngapa nga kita jual dlm bentuk biodiesel atau biosolar ja ya....:what:
Alasan "Humanitarian" dari EU itu tidak lebih dari gimmick/embel-embel semata, karena pada akhirnya kebijakan mereka ini ya karena mereka proteksionis akan pasar komoditas pertanian di EU, yang mana minyak sawit itu sangat mendominasi karena kualitas dan kuantitasnya yang lebih baik dibanding produk cem sunflower oil. Ban kelapa sawit dengan alasan anti perusakan ekosistem itu cuma alasan pemanis, biar didukung bule liberal dan biar terlihat "holier'than-thou" aja.
 
Banyak scale model KFX/IFX terpasang Meteor dan IRIS-T, itu kira-kira bagaimana kemungkinan "lanjut"nya? karena melihat tren mengarah pada Viper, sepertinya prioritas order adalah untuk AMRAAM dan Sidewinder kedepannya (atau malah ikut pakai AAM yang dikembangin Korsel?). Kalo masalah VLS, masih abu-abu apakah AL beneran segitu berani pakai Mk41 dan Mk56.
AMRAAM 120 C7 plus AIM 9X memang bakal diperbanyak dengan tidak menutup kemungkinan akuisisi rudal jarak jauh dari udara ke permukaan LRASM.
 
Indonesian, Malaysian and Philippine Troops to Train for Possible Regional Ground Force

Ismira Lutfia Tisnadibrata
Jakarta
2019-06-12

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Maj. Gen. Sisriadi, spokesman for the Indonesian military, answers during an event in Jakarta, June 12, 2019.
Courtesy of TNI media and information bureau

After starting coordinated air and sea patrols in recent years, Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines will launch joint ground exercises in August, in a counter-terrorism initiative that could see a regional force deployed in the southern Philippines one day, Indonesian officials said Wednesday.

The Indomalphi 2019 exercise will take place on Tarakan island in Indonesia’s North Kalimantan province and include trainings on shooting techniques and close-range combat, Indonesian military spokesman Maj. Gen. Sisriadi told BenarNews.

“Each country is expected to deploy a company of troops and five observers,” Sisraidi said Wednesday, referring to a military unit that typically consists of 80 to 150 soldiers and is usually commanded by a major or a captain.

“The exercise is aimed at improving joint operation capabilities in the land border areas, as part of efforts to anticipate transboundary crime and to create a deterrent effect to terrorism activities in border areas,” he said.

Delegations from the three Southeast Asian nations were attending a two-day meeting in Bali, starting Wednesday, to discuss a formal agreement on the trilateral land exercise, he said.

Ryamizard Ryacudu, Indonesia’s defense minister, said the monthlong exercise could potentially lead to the deployment of joint forces in the southern Philippines, which is still grappling with Islamic State-linked militants in remote areas of the Mindanao region.

“We are going to deal with [a] third-generation of terrorists, those who fought in the Middle East but have returned,” Ryamizard said in a news conference Wednesday. “Most of them are in Indonesia and the Philippines, and they are just traversing through Malaysia.”

He said the exercise would familiarize soldiers with field terrain.

“We need to establish grounds first with the officials and lawmakers,” he said. “We can’t just do that.”

The deployment of foreign troops in the southern Philippines would first require support from Filipino lawmakers and officials.

The 1987 Philippine Constitution specifies that “foreign military bases, troops, or facilities shall not be allowed in the Philippines except under a treaty duly concurred in by the Senate and, when the Congress so requires, ratified by a majority of the votes cast by the people in a national referendum held for that purpose, and recognized as a treaty by the other contracting State.”

In Kuala Lumpur, Malaysian officials declined to answer questions from BenarNews. Meanwhile, defense officials in Manila were not immediately available for comment because the Philippines was observing its Independence Day, a national holiday, on Wednesday.

Earlier this month, Ryamizard met with his Malaysian and Filipino counterparts on the sidelines of the Shangri-La Dialogue, an annual regional security meeting in Singapore, during which “they agreed to form a land [force] to combat terrorism,” Brig. Gen. Totok Sugiharto, the Indonesian Defense Ministry’s spokesman, told BenarNews.

“This is an escalated cooperation from the previous coordinated patrols to combat terrorism in the Philippines’ Sulu Sea,” Totok said, adding that during the exercise, the three nations would also be exchanging intelligence information about militants.

A regional military force would require “political decisions” from leaders of the three nations, a high-ranking defense ministry official told BenarNews, speaking on condition of anonymity.

“The process would not be simple,” he said. “That is why we call the maritime and air patrols coordinated patrols, instead of joint patrols, and we focus on securing the borders between the three countries.”

Looking to add joint ground patrols

The three nations began trilateral patrols in June 2017 after pro-IS militants launched a siege in the southern Philippine city of Marawi. Five months of fighting ended in October 2017 and killed at least 1,200 people, mostly militants, including the acknowledged Philippine IS leader, Isnilon Hapilon.

During his speech at this year's Shangri-La Dialogue on June 2, Ryamizard said Indonesia has proposed to conduct a coordinated patrol, which he conveyed in the same forum in 2015.

He indicated in the 2018 dialogue that the three neighboring countries were looking to add joint ground patrols to existing trilateral air and sea patrols targeting pro-IS militants in the region.

Indonesia also initiated the Our Eyes intelligence sharing platform, which ASEAN countries agreed in Singapore last year.

“The maritime, air and land military cooperation to anticipate ISIS fighters returnees from the Middle East are the implementation of the ‘Our Eyes’ initiative. Currently the trilateral cooperation is entering the phase for a joint [ground] exercise, which will be held in Tarakan, North Kalimantan after the troops held their own exercises in their respective countries,” Ryamizard said in his speech in Singapore, using another acronym for IS.

The Marawi fighting emboldened other Southeast Asian terror cells aligned with the Syria- and Iraq-based IS, according to analysts.

Among the 31,500 foreign fighters who had joined IS in Syria, about 800 came from Asia, including 400 from Indonesia, the largest Muslim-majority country, Ryamizard said on June 2, 2018, citing intelligence data from his government.

The three Southeast Asian nations were taking the security preparations just months after the United States and its allies announced the territorial defeat of the so-called Islamic State, which once controlled wide swaths of Iraq and Syria.

With the fall of the IS “caliphate” in Syria, officials of the Syrian Democratic Forces estimate that more than 12,000 foreign women and children are being held in camps in Syria alone, and about 1,000 foreign fighters are being held in the country’s prisons.

Many governments fear that welcoming back their battle-hardened citizens who fought for IS could pose a security threat.

During the battle of Marawi, Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte placed the entire southern region of Mindanao under martial law, in a bid to solve the biggest security crisis to hit the country in recent memory. But analysts have warned that former IS fighters could still penetrate the porous borders of the southern Philippines through Malaysia and across the Sulu Sea.

Duterte had publicly admitted that security forces may have underestimated the militants’ firepower, but relented to his defense officials who had asked for crucial intelligence help from the United States, the country's oldest military ally that he had earlier lambasted as he moved for closer ties instead with China and Russia.

A trilateral agreement on a possible regional military force carries a “psychological dimension” that could block “any trans-boundary security disturbance,” Mufti Makarim, an Indonesian military and security observer, told BenarNews.

“This agreement doesn’t mean that each country’s force can enter another country,” he said, “but it is more like they can coordinate when they conduct border patrols in their respective territories, so each country is aware that their neighbors are taking the same measures and are doing what is necessary to secure the borders.”

https://www.benarnews.org/english/news/indonesian/indonesia-militants-06122019153406.html
 
Indonesia designates two Panther helicopters for anti-submarine operations

Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore - Jane's Navy International
13 June 2019
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Then Indonesian Navy chief Admiral Ade Supandi at the commissioning ceremony of the service's first two Panther helicopters in 2017. Source: TNI-AL

Key Points:

Indonesia has designated two of its AS 565 Panther naval helicopters for anti-submarine warfare duties

Nine other airframes are currently being fitted for multimodal missions and will replace the service's fleet of ageing BO 105 helicopters

Only two of the Indonesian Navy's (Tentera Nasional Indonesia - Angkatan Laut: TNI-AL's) 11 Airbus Helicopters AS 565MBe Panther helicopters are equipped for anti-submarine warfare (ASW) operations, a military source told Jane's on 11 June.

The rest of the helicopters in the fleet are currently being configured for multimodal operations, and will progressively replace the TNI-AL Naval Aviation Fleet's squadron of ageing BO 015 utility helicopters.

"In the future, the remaining nine helicopters might be installed with ASW equipment like the dipping-sonar, but for now, only two airframes in the fleet have been dedicated for ASW operations," the source said.

Indonesia ordered 11 new AS565 MBe Panther helicopters in 2014 as part of efforts to improve the TNI-AL's embarked aviation and ASW capabilities. According to information provided by Airbus Helicopters, the Panther variant that has been supplied to the TNI-AL has an increased maximum take-off weight over its predecessors, at 4,500 kg, compared with 4,300 kg for earlier versions of the AS 565.

The aircraft is equipped with two Safran Arriel 2N engines that have been optimised for 'hot and high' conditions, and enables the helicopter to reach a top speed of 165 kt and a range of 780 km. The aircraft is also equipped with Airbus Helicopter's latest-generation tail rotor and a four-axis autopilot to help reduce crew workload.

Under a collaboration agreement between Airbus Helicopters and state-owned Indonesian company PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI), all 11 airframes were delivered in the 'green' state to PTDI's facilities in Bandung where they received their service liveries, and underwent further outfitting, including installation of mission equipment. has designated two of its AS 565 Panther naval helicopters for anti-submarine warfare duties
Nine other airframes are currently being fitted for multimodal missions and will replace the service's fleet of ageing BO 105 helicopters

Only two of the Indonesian Navy's (Tentera Nasional Indonesia - Angkatan Laut: TNI-AL's) 11 Airbus Helicopters AS 565MBe Panther helicopters are equipped for anti-submarine warfare (ASW) operations, a military source told Jane's on 11 June.

The rest of the helicopters in the fleet are currently being configured for multimodal operations, and will progressively replace the TNI-AL Naval Aviation Fleet's squadron of ageing BO 015 utility helicopters.

"In the future, the remaining nine helicopters might be installed with ASW equipment like the dipping-sonar, but for now, only two airframes in the fleet have been dedicated for ASW operations," the source said.

Indonesia ordered 11 new AS565 MBe Panther helicopters in 2014 as part of efforts to improve the TNI-AL's embarked aviation and ASW capabilities. According to information provided by Airbus Helicopters, the Panther variant that has been supplied to the TNI-AL has an increased maximum take-off weight over its predecessors, at 4,500 kg, compared with 4,300 kg for earlier versions of the AS 565.

The aircraft is equipped with two Safran Arriel 2N engines that have been optimised for 'hot and high' conditions, and enables the helicopter to reach a top speed of 165 kt and a range of 780 km. The aircraft is also equipped with Airbus Helicopter's latest-generation tail rotor and a four-axis autopilot to help reduce crew workload.

Under a collaboration agreement between Airbus Helicopters and state-owned Indonesian company PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI), all 11 airframes were delivered in the 'green' state to PTDI's facilities in Bandung where they received their service liveries, and underwent further outfitting, including installation of mission equipment.

https://www.janes.com/article/89227...her-helicopters-for-anti-submarine-operations
 
Alasan "Humanitarian" dari EU itu tidak lebih dari gimmick/embel-embel semata, karena pada akhirnya kebijakan mereka ini ya karena mereka proteksionis akan pasar komoditas pertanian di EU, yang mana minyak sawit itu sangat mendominasi karena kualitas dan kuantitasnya yang lebih baik dibanding produk cem sunflower oil. Ban kelapa sawit dengan alasan anti perusakan ekosistem itu cuma alasan pemanis, biar didukung bule liberal dan biar terlihat "holier'than-thou" aja.
Biasa lah.... Mental hipster. Pretentious bingits...
 
AMRAAM 120 C7 plus AIM 9X memang bakal diperbanyak dengan tidak menutup kemungkinan akuisisi rudal jarak jauh dari udara ke permukaan LRASM.
LRASM masih belum, katakanlah "mass produce" oleh AS, bisa dibilang masih dalam tahap pengembangan lebih lanjut. Apabila sesuatu masih belum widespread di dalam militer AS sendiri, maka kemungkinan untuk eksport itu masih sangat lama, karena watak Yankees memang begitu.
 
LRASM masih belum, katakanlah "mass produce" oleh AS, bisa dibilang masih dalam tahap pengembangan lebih lanjut. Apabila sesuatu masih belum widespread di dalam militer AS sendiri, maka kemungkinan untuk eksport itu masih sangat lama, karena watak Yankees memang begitu.


Gak ada yg Ngomongin LRASM kok. Malah Patriot bisa jadi yg mungkin tembus
 
Gak ada yg Ngomongin LRASM kok. Malah Patriot bisa jadi yg mungkin tembus
I'm going for Patriot (and for the most extreme possibility : THAAD) for mobile SAM platform, it's very popular and widely available, not to mention it's relatively cheap. But then again, the NASAMS 2 business need to be cleared of first, we still don't know whether the Military will continue their acquisition program, or they will be just "another BTR-4M". I would prefer NASAMS to be a stationary SAM to complement Skyshield tho, as for the main mobile platform it have to be something else.

About the LRASM, i think it won't necessarily be a bad idea to consider them for future need of air launched AShM, as almost every other items are not much different from one another, just a modernized variant of 80s era subsonic sea-skimming AShM like the Exocet and Harpoon. With LRASM, i think there's a possibility of it giving us an advantage compared to other AShM, perhaps we should give it a try imo at least the air-launched variant. I am not really that well-read in guided missile technology, so perhaps my opinion doesn't carry much weight.
 
I'm going for Patriot (and for the most extreme possibility : THAAD) for mobile SAM platform, it's very popular and widely available, not to mention it's relatively cheap. But then again, the NASAMS 2 business need to be cleared of first, we still don't know whether the Military will continue their acquisition program, or they will be just "another BTR-4M". I would prefer NASAMS to be a stationary SAM to complement Skyshield tho, as for the main mobile platform it have to be something else.

About the LRASM, i think it won't necessarily be a bad idea to consider them for future need of air launched AShM, as almost every other items are not much different from one another, just a modernized variant of 80s era subsonic sea-skimming AShM like the Exocet and Harpoon. With LRASM, i think there's a possibility of it giving us an advantage compared to other AShM, perhaps we should give it a try imo at least the air-launched variant. I am not really that well-read in guided missile technology, so perhaps my opinion doesn't carry much weight.

The battle is really going to be for either the SAMP/T against the MIM-104 Patriot. (Forget about THAAD, any country that has THAAD in it's border is operated by US crews.)

As China continues to develop and expand its presence in the SCS, the idea of a theater based SAM/ABM system are going to become a hot button issue for the MPR. The S-300/400 series of missiles aren't going to cut it with our current infrastructure being mostly US/EU. You'd more likely see a Pantsir-S1 operated by the marines than a S-300/400 network operated by the army.
 

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