Indonesia Defence Forum

[B+ Dracula]

in recent times we had a row against People's Republic of China and Malaysia

What is the Exact nature of Dual with China??
and Malaysian are good people....I think so...they are muslims t00?? then what is the nature of problem?

Tareqah (Dont want to be an attention seeker slave). It can make our people become less arrogant and be more humble toward other races and nations, that in the end, it can lead us into a wiser and strong character.......

Your Point is Valid....Our fellows are infringing realm of Arrogance....esp here in PDF

Not the same term as 'Big Brother' since we never interfere with our neighbor's internal business and we dont have any intention on imposing our policy to them by force but we do help them in some case as a mediator to find peaceful solution to their conflict when requested / invited by them. Just like what we do in Cambodia some 25 yrs ago, In Philippine as peace broker between Manila and Nur Misuari, and our involvement to find peaceful solution in Southern Thailand.

You people have highest percentage of Muslims population in Indonesia worldwide...You owe responsibility and should avoid duel with neighbors esp malaysia

 

[Indos]

What is the Exact nature of Dual with China??
and Malaysian are good people....I think so...they are muslims t00?? then what is the nature of problem?

You people have highest percentage of Muslims population in Indonesia worldwide...You owe responsibility and should avoid duel with neighbors esp malaysia

Actually during Soeharto regime we were not in a good relationship with China due to our position in a cold war, but after cold war ended, there is a closer ties now. But, there is also a small dispute in our ZEE with China that hasnt been solved yet.

Talking about Malaysia, we were at war with them ( +British, Australia, entire commonwealth nations) during 1960's, as our leader at that time has an aggressive character, actually we wanted to take some part of Malaysia (including Singapore) at that time. And then, we have better relationship during Soeharto regime because Soeharto helped Malaysia in so many sector, including helping them to fight their communist insurgents. Mahathir sees Soeharto as his big brother and we also helped Malaysia education system by sending many lecturer there. During this time, even Singapore also forgive our bombing before (by Lee Kuan Yew visiting the grave of the bomber (Ustman and Harun). Our nation was respected during that time.

In 1998-2004 we were in transition from dictatorship into democracy. Beside that, huge impact of monetary crisis was still effecting our economy badly, we were not fully recover. And then, some part of Indonesia has some problem as well (Aceh/Ambon/terrorism). We were fragile as a nation during that time, our GDP was crashed into 1/3 time of previous GDP. Just like in Egypt, we were also facing demonstration that tried to turn back our new democracy, but luckily unlike in Egypt, our democracy can still go on and become more mature, AlhamduliLLAH.

After our changing path into democracy system, Malaysia government (and Singapore I believe) has some scare feeling that reformation happening in Indonesia will affect theirs. As a democratic nation, naturally, our newspaper and many of our elites are supporting Anwar Ibrahim position (Malaysia main opposition figure). This position makes UMNO leader not happy, Indonesia is not regarded to own their previous status anymore, and they started to act more aggressively in a disputed Ambalat area. At that time we were under USA embargo, so only 2 F-16 can fly. This kind of things make our people get angry and think that Malaysia is not a real friend of Indonesia and act like back stabbing us. Actually, it is not Malaysia as a whole that is a problem, just UMNO. But the condition are better now and our relation get improved Today.

 

[B+ Dracula]

After our changing path into democracy system, Malaysia government (and Singapore I believe) has some scare feeling that reformation happening in Indonesia will affect theirs. As a democratic nation, naturally, our newspaper and many of our elites are supporting Anwar Ibrahim position (Malaysia main opposition figure). This position makes UMNO leader not happy, Indonesia is not regarded to own their previous status anymore, and they started to act more aggressively in a disputed Ambalat area. At that time we were under USA embargo, so only 2 F-16 can fly. This kind of things make our people get angry and think that Malaysia is not a real friend of Indonesia and act like back stabbing us. Actually, it is not Malaysia as a whole that is a problem, just UMNO. But the condition are better now and our relation get improved Today.

You people must avoid Duel's bcoz it can lead to CHAIN REACTION. when small countries feel threatened they invite other big powers in your Region by giving military bases.
Iam 3rd man & taking insight of your region with your help. My personal experience says to me , you hve to determine Value of AGGRESSION, when you hve insight of what you can loose or what you can gain then you decide what to do NEXT??
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Like for Pakistan in Kashmir issue with INDIA is total DISASTER. all of our Water flows from Kashmir & territory of Kashmir have some Geography Advantage. Our Moral stance is that "Kashmir is a Muslim state"....etc etc
.
What is the Value of your Aggression?? are you risking your future on the stake of small worthless Dispute??
Indonesia is big country they understand their value in the Region, all of your policies will impact your neighbors....HOPE FOR BEST OUTCOME FOR INDONESIA

 

[Indos]

....HOPE FOR BEST OUTCOME FOR INDONESIA

 

[aliaselin]

Actually during Soeharto regime we were not in a good relationship with China due to our position in a cold war, but after cold war ended, there is a closer ties now. But, there is also a small dispute in our ZEE with China that hasnt been solved yet.

Talking about Malaysia, we were at war with them ( +British, Australia, entire commonwealth nations) during 1960's, as our leader at that time has an aggressive character, actually we wanted to take some part of Malaysia (including Singapore) at that time. And then, we have better relationship during Soeharto regime because Soeharto helped Malaysia in so many sector, including helping them to fight their communist insurgents. Mahathir sees Soeharto as his big brother and we also helped Malaysia education system by sending many lecturer there. During this time, even Singapore also forgive our bombing before (by Lee Kuan Yew visiting the grave of the bomber (Ustman and Harun). Our nation was respected during that time.

In 1998-2004 we were in transition from dictatorship into democracy. Beside that, huge impact of monetary crisis was still effecting our economy badly, we were not fully recover. And then, some part of Indonesia has some problem as well (Aceh/Ambon/terrorism). We were fragile as a nation during that time, our GDP was crashed into 1/3 time of previous GDP. Just like in Egypt, we were also facing demonstration that tried to turn back our new democracy, but luckily unlike in Egypt, our democracy can still go on and become more mature, AlhamduliLLAH.

After our changing path into democracy system, Malaysia government (and Singapore I believe) has some scare feeling that reformation happening in Indonesia will affect theirs. As a democratic nation, naturally, our newspaper and many of our elites are supporting Anwar Ibrahim position (Malaysia main opposition figure). This position makes UMNO leader not happy, Indonesia is not regarded to own their previous status anymore, and they started to act more aggressively in a disputed Ambalat area. At that time we were under USA embargo, so only 2 F-16 can fly. This kind of things make our people get angry and think that Malaysia is not a real friend of Indonesia and act like back stabbing us. Actually, it is not Malaysia as a whole that is a problem, just UMNO. But the condition are better now and our relation get improved Today.

actually i ask the land-attack c-705 question because in malaysia forum they talked about it

 

[Nike]

actually i ask the land-attack c-705 question because in malaysia forum they talked about it

there is still no further talks about this projects, still the same issues to hinder the progress, a bottleneck in negotiation. But we had buy some C-705 AShM to equip dozens of our patrol boats.

 

[aliaselin]

there is still no further talks about this projects, still the same issues to hinder the progress, a bottleneck in negotiation. But we had buy some C-705 AShM to equip dozens of our patrol boats.

Yeah，I know that. They just talked about C-705 land-attacking cruise missile and care about it.
As to your point of technology transfer, I think platform is different from weapons, as platform can be either for defense or attack, but SSM missle should be used for attacking. One example is US transfer F-15 production line to Japan but F-15J can not take air-to-surface missle, so they design their own F-2 to solve this problem. The Europeans should not be more open than us when you take Australia into consideration. Netherlands may be different because the history relation between you two, but unfortunately, they do not produce their own.
By the way, I have heard that the obstacle between China and Indonesia to reach a final deal is Indonesia want to get the licence not only for local production but also for export, but we only want to give the local production licence, is that true?

 

[Nike]

Yeah，I know that. They just talked about C-705 land-attacking cruise missile and care about it.
As to your point of technology transfer, I think platform is different from weapons, as platform can be either for defense or attack, but SSM missle should be used for attacking. One example is US transfer F-15 production line to Japan but F-15J can not take air-to-surface missle, so they design their own F-2 to solve this problem. The Europeans should not be more open than us when you take Australia into consideration. Netherlands may be different because the history relation between you two, but unfortunately, they do not produce their own.
By the way, I have heard that the obstacle between China and Indonesia to reach a final deal is Indonesia want to get the licence not only for local production but also for export, but we only want to give the local production licence, is that true?

just rumor spread by China Wants Times article (Taiwan based journalist), and we had denied it for good reason. We need the missiles for ourselves, not for sales.

 

[Nike]

Indonesian Armed Forces biannual exercise, preparations

credit to samuel.tirta @kaskus

 

[MarveL]

PHL, Indonesia resolve sea dispute, to sign agreement soon
May 19, 2014 5:31pm

Philippines-Indonesia Border Committee Chairmen's Conference

After 20 years of negotiations, the Philippines and Indonesia have resolved their territorial dispute over a resource-rich area in the Pacific where they have overlapping claims.

Following the conclusion of talks that started in 1994, Philippine Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario and Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa will soon sign an accord called the “Agreement between the Republic of the Philippines and the Republic of Indonesia Concerning the Delimitation of the Exclusive Economic Zone Boundary” in the Mindanao Sea and Celebes Sea,” a Department of Foreign Affairs statement said Monday.

An Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) is a 200-nautical mile area of jurisdiction mandated by a United Nations law.

Manila and Jakarta’s successful resolution of their sea claims came amid heightened tensions in another disputed body of water, the South China Sea, where the Philippines, China, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan are locked in decades-long territorial conflicts.

China’s “indisputable” claim over nearly the entire waters has made it impossible for its smaller Asian neighbors with less military force to reach a settlement to the long-running disputes that have sparked several military confrontations in the past.

Foreign Affairs Undersecretary Evan Garcia, in his opening remarks at the conclusion of the talks in Jakarta on Sunday, said the new deal with Indonesia “attests to the friendship, patience, goodwill and commitment of the governments of the Philippines and Indonesia to peacefully address maritime issues.”

“This is a significant contribution to, and an example of, reasonable efforts to build a stable and peaceful regional community, in consideration of the interests of countries concerned and in accordance with international law,” he said.

Garcia said a clearly defined maritime boundary would promote more cooperation and advance both nations’ common interest of managing and preserving the resources in the EEZ.

The charts illustrating the EEZ boundary were signed for the Philippines by Dr. Peter N. Tiangco, Administrator, National Mapping and Resources Information Authority (NAMRIA) and Capt. Jacinto Cablayan, Director, Hydrography Branch, NAMRIA, and for Indonesia by Mr. Asep Karsidi, Head of the Indonesian Geospatial Information Agency and Cdr. Dede Yuliadi, Chief Hydrographer, Hydro-Oceanographic Office, Indonesian Navy. — Michaela del Callar/KBK, GMA News

PHL, Indonesia resolve sea dispute, to sign agreement soon | News | GMA News Online

 

[MarveL]

the drill will be mobilizing up to 15.000 soldiers.

Indonesia holds military joint drill 2014
Mon, May 19 2014 19:21

General TNI Moeldoko inspecting team at the Opening Ceremony of the military's Combined Training 2014 at Halim Perdanakusumah Air Base, Jakarta, Monday (May 19). (ANTARA/Widodo S. Jusuf)

Jakarta (ANTARA News) - The Indonesia Military Commander General Moeldoko inaugurated the military joint drill 2014, which is an exercise of all the corps: Indonesian Army, Navy and Air Force.

"The military drill is held to keep the synergy among the military corps in tactical, technical and doctrine tests. We also want to improve the combat power in each branch of the force and create strength," Moeldoko said here on Monday.

The Indonesia Military (TNI) Commander had inaugurated the joint drill in the hall of Squadron 17, Halim Perdana Kusuma Air Base, Jakarta.

The drills aim is also to increase the effectiveness and efficiency of the joint operational duty command, which is prepared to face any emergency.

The Indonesian Military will conduct post rehearsal on May 19-24, 2014, in the Peace Mission Center in Sentul in Bogor, West Java Province. While the TNI will hold the field rehearsal along with military campaign on June 1-5, 2014, in Asembagus of Situbondo in East Java Province and southern India Ocean as well as in Bali.

"The Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono is likely to watch the exercise in East Java," Moeldoko said.

Indonesian Military will involve the TNI Joint Command, including Joint Duty Command and Task Force Command, which will engage some part of the Weaponry Main System.

The weapons that will be used in the drill include 18 Scorpion tanks, six Stormer APC tanks, two Stormer Komando tanks, two Saladin armored cars, two Saracen armored carriers, two Ferret-armored vehicles and 12 Anoa armored vehicles.

The TNI will also display and use 24 helicopters including four MI-35P helicopters, four MI-17 V5 helicopters, four BO-105 helicopters, 10 Bell-412 helicopters, two Bell-205A-1 and various armaments.

Indonesian Military will engage 18 105 KH 178 howitzers, four 155 KH 179 howitzers, two 76/GN howitzers and six Giant Bow 23MM anti-air defense systems.

The Indonesian Navy will also involve 32 various types of ships and 81 units of tactical vehicles, along with eight howitzers and eight RM 70 Grad multiple rocket launchers.

The Indonesian Air Force will deploy 40 jet fighters, such as eight SU-27/30 Sukhoi, six F-16, ten Hawk 100/200, two F-5 Tiger, 12 T-50 Golden Eagle, and two EMB-314 Super Tucano.

They will also operate 32 cargo aircraft, such as 16 C-130 Hercule, four B-737, three F-28 Fokker, four C-295, two CN-235, three Cassa-212 and 11 Super Puma Helicopters.

The inauguration was also attended by the three Chiefs of Staff: the Army Chief of Staff General Budiman, Air Force Chief of Staff Marshal Ida Bagus Putu Dunia and Navy Chief of Staff Admiral Marsetio as well as other high military officials.

Indonesia holds military joint drill 2014 - ANTARA News

 

[MacanJawa]

the drill will be mobilizing up to 15.000 soldiers.

Indonesia holds military joint drill 2014
Mon, May 19 2014 19:21

General TNI Moeldoko inspecting team at the Opening Ceremony of the military's Combined Training 2014 at Halim Perdanakusumah Air Base, Jakarta, Monday (May 19). (ANTARA/Widodo S. Jusuf)

Jakarta (ANTARA News) - The Indonesia Military Commander General Moeldoko inaugurated the military joint drill 2014, which is an exercise of all the corps: Indonesian Army, Navy and Air Force.

"The military drill is held to keep the synergy among the military corps in tactical, technical and doctrine tests. We also want to improve the combat power in each branch of the force and create strength," Moeldoko said here on Monday.

The Indonesia Military (TNI) Commander had inaugurated the joint drill in the hall of Squadron 17, Halim Perdana Kusuma Air Base, Jakarta.

The drills aim is also to increase the effectiveness and efficiency of the joint operational duty command, which is prepared to face any emergency.

The Indonesian Military will conduct post rehearsal on May 19-24, 2014, in the Peace Mission Center in Sentul in Bogor, West Java Province. While the TNI will hold the field rehearsal along with military campaign on June 1-5, 2014, in Asembagus of Situbondo in East Java Province and southern India Ocean as well as in Bali.

"The Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono is likely to watch the exercise in East Java," Moeldoko said.

Indonesian Military will involve the TNI Joint Command, including Joint Duty Command and Task Force Command, which will engage some part of the Weaponry Main System.

The weapons that will be used in the drill include 18 Scorpion tanks, six Stormer APC tanks, two Stormer Komando tanks, two Saladin armored cars, two Saracen armored carriers, two Ferret-armored vehicles and 12 Anoa armored vehicles.

The TNI will also display and use 24 helicopters including four MI-35P helicopters, four MI-17 V5 helicopters, four BO-105 helicopters, 10 Bell-412 helicopters, two Bell-205A-1 and various armaments.

Indonesian Military will engage 18 105 KH 178 howitzers, four 155 KH 179 howitzers, two 76/GN howitzers and six Giant Bow 23MM anti-air defense systems.

The Indonesian Navy will also involve 32 various types of ships and 81 units of tactical vehicles, along with eight howitzers and eight RM 70 Grad multiple rocket launchers.

The Indonesian Air Force will deploy 40 jet fighters, such as eight SU-27/30 Sukhoi, six F-16, ten Hawk 100/200, two F-5 Tiger, 12 T-50 Golden Eagle, and two EMB-314 Super Tucano.

They will also operate 32 cargo aircraft, such as 16 C-130 Hercule, four B-737, three F-28 Fokker, four C-295, two CN-235, three Cassa-212 and 11 Super Puma Helicopters.

The inauguration was also attended by the three Chiefs of Staff: the Army Chief of Staff General Budiman, Air Force Chief of Staff Marshal Ida Bagus Putu Dunia and Navy Chief of Staff Admiral Marsetio as well as other high military officials.

Indonesia holds military joint drill 2014 - ANTARA News

I doubt that leopard will join this excercise

 

[katarabhumi]

I doubt that leopard will join this excercise

There are too few to join right now.

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Indonesia reveals more details of Leopard MBT acquisition
19 May 2014

The Indonesian Army (Tentara Nasional Indonesia Angkatan Darat, TNI-AD) has revealed updated information on the delivery timetable and planned distribution of the surplus Leopard main battle tanks (MBTs) it bought from Germany in 2012.

In total, Indonesia is committed to buying 103 vehicles, 10 of which are engineering and support vehicles. The remaining 93 are Leopard 2A4s, at least 61 of which will receive elements of the Rheinmetall 'Revolution' modular upgrade package. These upgraded MBTs have been renamed the Leopard RI, for Republic of Indonesia.

Of the total order, two Leopard 2A4s were delivered on 22 September 2013. The next delivery, slated for 11 September 2014, will consist of 21 Leopard RIs.

Indonesia reveals more details of Leopard MBT acquisition - IHS Jane's 360

 

[Indos]

@madokafc menurut berita terakhir enggak ada masalah kok soal transfer teknologi C-705, kecuali kalau mbak dapet info dari orang dalem. Mereka akan beri semuanya.

 

[Nike]

@madokafc menurut berita terakhir enggak ada masalah kok soal transfer teknologi C-705, kecuali kalau mbak dapet info dari orang dalem. Mereka akan beri semuanya.

Sorry, for other member or guest. I just only want to answer him, so i am using Indonesia for this case

Masih stuck di komposisi persentase transfer teknologi yang diberikan, ya Indonesia minta teknologi di pemandu, sistem software, warhead, nozzle dan komposisi bahan bakar literally kita minta semuanya

China hanya bersedia memberikan sebagian saja, pemandu, software dan komposisi bahan bakar masih belum mau ngasih. Awalnya mereka malah mau kita cuman kebagian produksi casing, warhead dan perakitan saja

Tapi itu sudah dibahas beberapa bulan lalu, up-date-nya sekarang belum ada lagi