Indonesia backs Bangladesh’s SEACO initiative

[Bilal9]

Flip flop army?

Sorry sis, Vietnam military has a long tradition going back two thousands years, with glorious victories against world military powers as many as you can name. Indonesia military is weak. You can’t win a war against a ragtag militia.

No offense, in a theoretical war, Vietnam army with modern weapon systems would turn Indonesia army into ashes in a month.

I guess Sis never heard of Dien Bien Phu.

Don't underestimate Vietnamese resolve. They essentially drove out the Yanks.

OK now back to the topic.

Better to content with your own made flip flop oh shit Vietnam dont have manufacturing base to produce even flip flop and no industrial might of your country to support your decreipt soldiers.

21th century wars is war of economy and industrial might, no need for long century feeling warriors tradition. Look at US of A and ex slave people of Jews Israel, they dont have long time fighting tradition but now they are the most warlike Nation on earth

Vietnam even cant afford to saving their face to holding Asian games let alone spent more money for fighting

OK Now you are seriously trolling. Have you even been to Saigon or Hanoi recently? Please don't put down or judge people you have no idea about.

 

[bluesky]

After more than thirty years of war, the Vietnamese do not loudly cry for their almost 1 million real dead in action. There is another country near India that keeps on crying loud on 3 million unproved and assumed death within a timeframe of a few months. So big is the behavioral difference between a heroic martial country and a coward crying baby nation.

Regardless of communism or capitalism, billions of dollars worth of FDI money has been continuing to pour in Vietnam where people learn discipline and dedication to work. Even its former enemy countries respect Vietnam. That country will progress because its citizens have many good human qualities.

 

[Nike]

I guess Sis never heard of Dien Bien Phu.

Don't underestimate Vietnamese resolve. They essentially drove out the Yanks.

OK now back to the topic.



OK Now you are seriously trolling. Have you even been to Saigon or Hanoi recently? Please don't put down or judge people you have no idea about.

Screw off, you mr know everything but bullshit

Just focus on your 3d rendering

 

[UKBengali]

Its best you first get your own outside investment to lot more than 2 dollars per person. Then people realise you have some substance to what you project/dream/claim.

You do any research before spouting nonsense?

https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Bangladeshi-companies-rush-overseas-as-Dhaka-relaxes-rules

"DHAKA -- Until recently, outward investment was something corporate Bangladesh could only dream about. But a loosening of government controls has prompted a raft of proposals for overseas expansion as companies seek to diversify earnings."

"In October, Bangladesh's cabinet gave permission to Akij Group, a conglomerate, to buy Robin Resources, a Malaysian fiberboard and composites maker, for $80 million"

Now please stop embarrassing yourself time and time again as it is demeaning to the human species!

 

[Nilgiri]

You do any research before spouting nonsense?

https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Bangladeshi-companies-rush-overseas-as-Dhaka-relaxes-rules

"DHAKA -- Until recently, outward investment was something corporate Bangladesh could only dream about. But a loosening of government controls has prompted a raft of proposals for overseas expansion as companies seek to diversify earnings."

"In October, Bangladesh's cabinet gave permission to Akij Group, a conglomerate, to buy Robin Resources, a Malaysian fiberboard and composites maker, for $80 million"

Now please stop embarrassing yourself time and time again as it is demeaning to the human species!

No one cares about "refrigerators to be exported in the thousands to Thailand soon - 2015" BD media.

I follow the actual statistics recorded and vetted on receiving end:

https://unctad.org/sections/dite_dir/docs/wir2018/wir18_fs_bd_en.pdf

 

[Avicenna]

No one cares about "refrigerators to be exported in the thousands to Thailand soon - 2015" BD media.

I follow the actual statistics recorded and vetted on receiving end:

https://unctad.org/sections/dite_dir/docs/wir2018/wir18_fs_bd_en.pdf

You must be alot of fun at parties.

 

[Nilgiri]

You must be alot of fun at parties.

Ouch burnnn!

 

[Bilal9]

Screw off, you mr know everything but bullshit

Just focus on your 3d rendering

Why so mad? Kenapa begitu marah?

You remember this is Ramadan - right?

Calling people to screw off makes Ramadan Maqrooh.

 

[Senang Diri]

Asean cant be replaced as it was pivot for Indonesia foreign policy to promoting trade and cultural ties in the region and left out commies forces since the ends of 60s decade and we built ASEAN to what it is today from scratch and many challenge



Better to including Australia compared to India lol

Indonesia is an insignificant country for all intents and purposes except its population.

Many of whom are sent to Singapore, HK and elsewhere as maids.

Remember that Indonesia lost the Konfrontasi only a year before ASEAN was formed?

If Indonesia were to be the leader of ASEAN, no other country would have joined it.

Because Indonesia lost the war and was afraid of Communism, Indonesia joined ASEAN alongside the founders Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia and Philippines.

Indonesia also lost another war in East Timor.

Australia and Singapore played our part in it, too.

Don't get your facts wrong again.

 

[Indos]

Indonesia is an insignificant country for all intents and purposes except its population.

Many of whom are sent to Singapore, HK and elsewhere as maids.

Remember that Indonesia lost the Konfrontasi only a year before ASEAN was formed?

If Indonesia were to be the leader of ASEAN, no other country would have joined it.

Because Indonesia lost the war and was afraid of Communism, Indonesia joined ASEAN alongside the founders Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia and Philippines.

Indonesia also lost another war in East Timor.

Australia and Singapore played our part in it, too.

Don't get your facts wrong again.

LOL it is Singapore which is insignificant

ASEAN headquarter is in Jakarta show that Indonesia is the facto leader of ASEAN, dont be fooled with this kid

If Malaysia cut his water supply to this tiny nation, Singapore will be finished

Indonesia dont lost Konfrontasi, it just abandon it due to change of leadership from Sukarno into Soeharto. In Konfrontasi itself Indonesia has to fight British, Australia, New Zealand, and Malaysia.

It is Indonesia who has defeated Communism in 1966 and help Malaysia defeat their Communism insurgencies in Sarawak. Indonesia also invaded East Timor to fight Communism there, thats why US support the action.

 

[Senang Diri]

Sorry Asean as a bloc is very successful on international stage. Asean chairman is traditionally invited to G7, G20 meetings. All major powers from America, Canada, China, Japan etc regularly join ASEAN plus yearly summit. As for anyone thinking of enlargement, I am against any enlargement of Asean. First, it’s against the asean charter: member country must be in SE Asia. Second, the bloc is not only a pure economic but strategic bloc, countries sharing common interests. Gdp is not the metric. Asean will become worthless, ungovernable if expanding uncontrollable to east and west.

Timor Leste will be the last country to join the bloc.

Really, you think so?

Singaporean diplomats regularly complain that ASEAN is pretty ineffective.

ASEAN is no defence compact.

There is no security cooperation except transnational crimes.

The ASEAN charter has been ratified by all member states, that's the good part.

The bad part is there is little convergence of interests on issues of strategic significance or bilateral disputes with outside powers, like those in the SCS.

Systems of governance differ as do race, religion, language, culture and levels of development.

I don't think East Timor will be an ASEAN member any time soon.

SG and Thailand continue to oppose their entry for a good reason.

Membership for Bangladesh is out of question for obvious geographical reasons.

It’s not fluid. SE Asia is clearly defined, so South Asia, West Europe, East Europe, etc.
I wish you all the best in the Muslim group. Personally I think a bloc based on religion leads to nowhere. A bloc can be successful only if it is based on economic and military power.

Asean is seen as global power because it has rich country as Singapore, military power as Vietnam as members.

Do you consider Vietnam a military power?

I want to point out a simple fact. Only 2 ASEAN member states currently operate AEW&C systems. None of them are called Vietnam or Indonesia. For a start, that should tell you which countries in ASEAN are real military powers.

Singapore is not that big or influential globally, not that rich either IMO.

ASEAN suits Singapore perfectly well in amplifying its diplomatic clout.

Let's ignore that for a moment.

Do you really see ASEAN as a success?

Most ppl in SG see it as a failure.

 

[Senang Diri]

Still you must apply for working permit and temporary resident permit. Well got a lot of Indonesian owned companies in Singapore open their companies or their branch offices, the likes of Wilmar international, Salim group, Djarum group, Astra internasional had a lot presence and portfolio in Singapore, and they tend to bring their family and best talent worker from Indonesia to Singapore

Don't spread fake news again.

Wilmar is a Singaporean company, period.

Astra International is owned by Jardine Matheson. HK/British.

Singapore has consistently been one of Indonesia's biggest investors.

The other groups you listed are owned by ethnic Chinese too.

Temasek is one of the biggest "companies" operating in Indonesia. Says it all, really.

https://www.globeasia.com/cover-story/globeasia-100-top-groups-2017/

9
Temasek Group
Foreign/Singapore
Banking, telecommunication

Government of Singapore

$3.5 billion
Singapore is a major foreign investor in Indonesia, with interests in a wide range of businesses through its investment arms, of which the most prominent is Temasek Group. It controls more than 67% of shares in Bank Danamon, which in turn controls finance operation Adira, and through its subsidiary SingTel has a significant holding in Indonesia’s leading telco, Telkomsel. Early this year, Temasek Holding’s CEO Ho Ching visited Indonesia to discuss pumping more investment to develop tourism sites close to Singapore, including popular Batam and Bintang islands, as well as the less developed Nipa and Tolop islands.




Wilmar, Sembcorp, CEI and loads of other SG companies have invested tens of billions in Indonesia. It is in our interest that ASEAN member states develop further.

LOL it is Singapore which is insignificant

ASEAN headquarter is in Jakarta, dont be fooled with this kid

Are you a member of TNI-AL? Why do you converse like an immature teenager? What's with the "LOL" and calling me a "kid"? I don't think I called you a kid.

Singapore is the pivotal state in ASEAN.

No Singapore = No ASEAN.

No offence intended. You know that ASEAN is just a bunch of third world countries, right? Without Singapore leading the charge in framing ASEAN charter, dedicating the most resources to studying ASEAN issues and formulating policies for the welfare of the region, ASEAN would not have survived in all likelihoods.

AEC, despite repeated delays, exists largely due to Singapore.


Where was the Bangkok declaration made? Oh yeah, not in Jakarta.

And who gets to pay the most for ASEAN expenses? Oh yeah, everyone pays the same.

And who gets to have the most say in ASEAN affairs? Theoretically, all countries are equal but of course, some countries are more advanced than others.

Let's not sidetrack this thread. Indonesia is a good source of maids and that's not a terrible thing, in a way.

Flip flop army?

Sorry sis, Vietnam military has a long tradition going back two thousands years, with glorious victories against world military powers as many as you can name. Indonesia military is weak. You can’t win a war against a ragtag militia.

No offense, in a theoretical war, Vietnam army with modern weapon systems would turn Indonesia army into ashes in a month.

Summary

1. Indonesia lost the Konfrontasi

2. Indonesia lost East Timor

3. Indonesia lost troops against Papuan rebels

4. Indonesians were colonized by a handful of Dutch from thousands of miles away. A country not even 10% of its population colonized it for centuries.

I agree that Indonesians will have no chance against a warrior nation like Vietnam.

Think they can beat a rag-tag militia but would have difficulty against a smaller but well-equipped and well-led army.

Wrong.

They lost East Timor.

They lost troops against Papuan rebels.

They also lost the Konfrontasi.

They were also colonized by the Dutch, numbering less than 10% of their population, for centuries.

They are expected to lose any battle against regional neighbours.

Sis your nation never fight a war, least against a superpower, hence you make such silly comments.
Winning a war requires more than having industrial might. It requires strategy, superior tactic, good knowledge of enemy behavior, in short: high IQ. The military balance between the US military and Vietnam army was 200 times. Lesser in military balance between France vs Vietnam, China vs Vietnam. If just who has more industrial might, we have zero chance and lose the war in the first month. The US lost 11,000 military aircraft of all sorts during the Vietnam war in case you haven’t noticed. Indonesia with some aircraft here and some Apc there can impress Vietnam military?

Vietnam doesn’t have manufacturing base? Our foreign trades will probably reach $600 billion this year, we are heading to $1 trillion in five years.

We are off topic though.

Don't bother yourself with teaching them.

IQ scores are well known. These are not fabricated numbers. There is a reason they indulge in delusions and have an inflated sense of self worth. Yet in real life, they send maids.

Their "manufacturing base'' is just sweatshop for foreign companies stitching together clothing or assembling some metal contraption, as in a car or a bus.

They have little nonself citation per capita in STEM discipline (refer to IQ scores discussed earlier), little high tech exports, no high tech output, no technology, no invention, no breakthrough.

I'll give you one interesting fact to ponder over.

Singapore's Manufacturing Value Added per capita (at over US$13,000) is higher than the entire GDP per capita of their country.

They are a big sweatshop.

With an inflated sense of self worth despite achieving nothing.

I mean look at India or North Korea.

They have space programmes as covers for their ICBM programmes.

They have developed nuclear bombs and deployed satellites.

Submarine launched ballistic missiles for deterrence in the form of second strike options.

What did Indonesia achieve? No scientific, technological, intellectual output worth mentioning.

If there is one country that exemplifies why GDP does not reflect national power, it has to be Indonesia.

Think about it.

112 Sqn RSAF refuelling RTAF F-16 during Exercise Cope Tiger 2019.

The training phase involved a total of 69 aircraft, 29 Ground-Based Air Defence systems, and about 2,000 personnel. And that's just one of the tens of exercises that the SAF conducts and participates in annually.

 

[Viet]

Really, you think so?

Singaporean diplomats regularly complain that ASEAN is pretty ineffective.

ASEAN is no defence compact.

There is no security cooperation except transnational crimes.

The ASEAN charter has been ratified by all member states, that's the good part.

The bad part is there is little convergence of interests on issues of strategic significance or bilateral disputes with outside powers, like those in the SCS.

Systems of governance differ as do race, religion, language, culture and levels of development.

I don't think East Timor will be an ASEAN member any time soon.

SG and Thailand continue to oppose their entry for a good reason.

Membership for Bangladesh is out of question for obvious geographical reasons.



Do you consider Vietnam a military power?

I want to point out a simple fact. Only 2 ASEAN member states currently operate AEW&C systems. None of them are called Vietnam or Indonesia. For a start, that should tell you which countries in ASEAN are real military powers.

Singapore is not that big or influential globally, not that rich either IMO.

ASEAN suits Singapore perfectly well in amplifying its diplomatic clout.

Let's ignore that for a moment.

Do you really see ASEAN as a success?

Most ppl in SG see it as a failure.

Yes I see Asean is a success. Peace: look at the mess in the Middle East other parts of the world. Prosperity: ok not all are as rich as Singapore but we are heading in the right direction. Success: ok who doesn’t know Asean?

Yes I see Vietnam is a recognized military power as proved by crushing all world military powers, from Imperial to Communist China, France, America, Mongol Empire, Manchu Horde to Khmer Cambodia to Champ Kingdom. Singapore and Indonesia have at best fancy soldiers carrying fancy equipment. That’s too little for anyone to take you both seriously.

People usually laugh on Vietnam poor military equipment but tend to forget we can turn to a war nation with military focused production within a short period.

That is the reason - no offense - why we can crush small country with money as Singapore or big country as Indonesia with less money like elephant walking over a rabbit.

 

[Senang Diri]

Yes I see Asean is a success. Peace: look at the mess in the Middle East other parts of the world. Prosperity: ok not all are as rich as Singapore but we are heading in the right direction. Success: ok who doesn’t know Asean?

Yes I see Vietnam is a recognized military power as proved by crushing all world military powers, from Imperial to Communist China, France, America, Mongol Empire, Manchu Horde to Khmer Cambodia to Champ Kingdom. Singapore and Indonesia have at best fancy soldiers carrying fancy equipment. That’s too little for anyone to take you both seriously.

People usually laugh on Vietnam poor military equipment but tend to forget we can turn to a war nation with military focused production within a short period.

That is the reason - no offense - why we can crush small country with money as Singapore or big country as Indonesia with less money like elephant walking over a rabbit.

No offence taken.

Vietnam has a long history of fighting wars. And losing civilians.

May I remind you that by that measure, Afghanistan and Yemen are super-military-powers?

Let's not forget that Vietnam was ruled by China for 1,000 years.

Yes, 1000 years.

Vietnam was also colonized by the French.

Conquered by the Japanese.

Beaten mercilessly by the Americans for decades until they got tired due to public agitation in their homeland.

That is why, you see, information management has been of particular importance for the US in post-Vietnam wars. So that public agitation in their homeland is contained to a minimum. Most Americans remain ignorant of American wars that they have started in the last 2 decades.

I digress.

Even when it came to the Mongols, Vietnam's "success" was not her own. Rather, it was the failure of the Mongols to fight naval battles that sealed their fate. Same reason why they could not conquer Japan or Java. Water barrier.

Had you defeated the Mongols like the Egyptians had done on land, you may have been taken seriously.

There is not one war where Vietnam defeated a major adversary, on its own.

You were always a proxy for bigger powers. The victory belonged to your puppet-masters, my friend.

The defeat was suffered by millions of innocent Vietnamese - children, women, elderly and men.

 

[Viet]

No offence taken.

Vietnam has a long history of fighting wars. And losing civilians.

May I remind you that by that measure, Afghanistan and Yemen are super-military-powers?

Let's not forget that Vietnam was ruled by China for 1,000 years.

Yes, 1000 years.

Vietnam was also colonized by the French.

Conquered by the Japanese.

Beaten mercilessly by the Americans for decades until they got tired due to public agitation in their homeland.

That is why, you see, information management has been of particular importance for the US in post-Vietnam wars. So that public agitation in their homeland is contained to a minimum. Most Americans remain ignorant of American wars that they have started in the last 2 decades.

I digress.

Even when it came to the Mongols, Vietnam's "success" was not her own. Rather, it was the failure of the Mongols to fight naval battles that sealed their fate. Same reason why they could not conquer Japan or Java. Water barrier.

Had you defeated the Mongols like the Egyptians had done on land, you may have been taken seriously.

There is not one war where Vietnam defeated a major adversary, on its own.

You were always a proxy for bigger powers. The victory belonged to your puppet-masters, my friend.

The defeat was suffered by millions of innocent Vietnamese - children, women, elderly and men.

Winning a war means achieving war objectives not how many civilians were killed or women were raped.

By this logic, Germany won against USSR, Japan won WW II.

fyi Vietnam won all three wars against Mongolia on land and at sea totaling one million man army.

Receiving weapons and assistance from foreign powers do not make anyone to slaves other to masters. By your logic, the US was slave to Thailand because Thailand provided assistance in man, money and other stuffs to the US army in the war against Vietnam.

Singapore IQ is high. You seem to be the exception.