Indonesia Aerospace Forum

[Nike]

But who is Indonesia going to sell to? USA? Does the Indonesians think USA will ever issued them planes with FAA certification?

China the biggest market will be an obstaclesvas these plane will have to comply with their CAA whose standard was raised higher than those of the FAA on purpose to force the local manufacturers to pursue higher standard.

for the time being Indonesia had sell aircraft to Asean countries, africa and South Korea.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

for the time being Indonesia had sell aircraft to Asean countries, africa and South Korea.

Will these sales if there is any, be viable or profitable for the existence of such an investment? Better to assemble if there is an option. Example: The Malaysia Car PROTON is still running on Government subsidies after so long.

 

[Nike]

Will these sales if there is any, be viable or profitable for the existence of such an investment? Better to assemble if there is an option. Example: The Malaysia Car PROTON is still running on Government subsidies after so long.

the need to increase the volume of production is speak itself about PT DI capability to gain profit, our SOE doesn't live trough subsidies.

 

[Kalazan]

Actually local market for this plane are huge.., there are many local government which have remote area/citi, tourism destination that exactly will need to buy. And i think then will be some new small airport development by the local government that increase the demand. Governmental agency will so. Beside that, many old plane that need to be replaced like twin otter and other.
and then if the certification was succesfull...we can sell more easy to asean,africa and middle east.
if we can make why just to assemble?
we can make further development with this aircraft to meet any agencies needed like agriculture and other.
and of course modified one for defense purpose.

And that i was heard..proton in struggle for life.

 

[MacanJawa]

Actually local market for this plane are huge.., there are many local government which have remote area/citi, tourism destination that exactly will need to buy. And i think then will be some new small airport development by the local government that increase the demand. Governmental agency will so. Beside that, many old plane that need to be replaced like twin otter and other.
and then if the certification was succesfull...we can sell more easy to asean,africa and middle east.
if we can make why just to assemble?
we can make further development with this aircraft to meet any agencies needed like agriculture and other.
and of course modified one for defense purpose.

And that i was heard..proton in struggle for life.

proton car?

 

[Kalazan]

proton car?

yes.
to commenting above comment from #CAPRICORN-88
last time i heard they use Lotus engine from UK...showing that they're in difficullties to find engines for their car.

 

[CountStrike]

IAe manufacturing Facility, Bandung, West Java.

 

[Marhaenisme]

IAe manufacturing Facility, Bandung, West Java.

Guys do you have any information about R80 or Regio Aviasi Industri project?

 

[CountStrike]

Guys do you have any information about R80 or Regio Aviasi Industri project?

You should go to specific thread for R-80 program...

https://defence.pk/threads/rai-indonesias-regional-jet-r80.436364/page-2

 

[Marhaenisme]

Any info why PH blacklisted PT DI as their suppliers ?

NOTE: Suppliers listed hereunder are barred from participating in ALL government procurement opportunities per corresponding Blacklisting Order issued by procuring entities.
Blacklisted suppliers are deemed automatically delisted after the period stated in the corresponding Blacklisting Order, unless the blacklisting agency requests the GPPB not to delist.

PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PERSERO)

Acquisition of two (2) units Light Lift Fixed Wing Aircraft for the Philippine Air Force
06/30/2016

PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PERSERO)

Acquisition of two (2) units Light Lift Fixed Wing Aircraft for the Philippine Air Force
06/30/2016

The online news portal of TV5

MANILA - Questions hound last week's bidding for two brand-new units of light-lift (not medium-lift as earlier reported) fixed-wing aircraft worth P812 million for the Philippine Air Force (PAF).

The project was initially awarded to an Indonesian firm, amid questions the winner was declared lone qualified bidder despite its alleged inability to meet a crucial criterion on credit line. The Department of National Defense (DND) is keeping mum on the matter.

Last Wednesday, the project’s Bids and Awards Committee (BAC) chaired by Undersecretary Patrick Velez declared PT Dirgantara Indonesia/Indonesian Aerospace (IAe), with its bid offer of P812,550,000, as “lone qualified bidder.”

IAe offered its aircraft product of NC-212-400 Aviocar.

Sources privy to the bidding said Dirgantara did not satisfy all the required bid documents under the Procurement Law. A source said that "during the opening of bid documents, Dirgantara was not able to present a Credit Line Certification from a local financial commercial bank in the Philippines. What it presented only is an ongoing transmittal transaction."

Given this, the source said, the BAC "should have declared failed bidding and possibly announced there and then a rebid. We also don’t know why BAC gave the Technical Working Group 7 days to evaluate Dirgantara’s documents, for what?”

A second source said the “lacking document” of Dirgantara will be covered by “a post qualification” process, adding that this is "very very irregular.”

Questions sent by mobile phone to the DND-BAC through Fernando Manalo, undersecretary for Finanace, Munitions, Installations and Materiel went unanswered at posting time.

Earlier, Manalo had said of the bidding. “Wala pa, bid is being evaluated.”

Ironically, Sikorsky Aircraft, one of those that bought bid documents, had earlier raised the question of “credit line”.

Its query:“Is a credit worthy letter from a bank acceptable? If not, what is acceptable? What is the reference to confirmation/authentication?” was officially posted at the DND-BAC website.

The DND-BAC replied to that query thus: “No, a credit worthy letter is not acceptable. Please refer to the following provisions of the Implementing Rules and Regulations (IRR) of the Republic Act (RA) 9184 which governs the required Credit Line Certificate, to wit:

a) Section 23 of the Implementing Rules and Regulations of the Republic Act 9184 enumerates the eligibility requirements for the procurement of goods, among which is the financial document stated in Section 23.1(a) (vi), that is, “The prospective bidder’s computation for its Net Financial Contracting Capacity (NFCC) or a commitment from a Universal or Commercial Bank to extend a credit line in favor of the prospective bidder if awarded the contract to be bid (CLC)”.

b) Section 23.5.1.4

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“If the prospective bidder submits a CLC, the CLC must be at least equal to ten percent (10%) of the ABC to be bid. If the CLC is issued by a foreign Universal or Commercial Bank, it shall be confirmed or authenticated by a Universal or Commercial Bank.

"It is very clear in the above-mentioned provisions of the IRR of RA 9184 that a CLC is a commitment from a Universal or Commercial Bank to extend a credit line in favor of your company should the contract to be bid out be awarded to your company, and if this will be issued by a foreign Universal or Commercial Bank, it is required that the same be confirmed or authenticated by a Universal or Commercial Bank here in the Philippines.”

 

[Kalazan]

Some peoples say that the pinoys are 'difficult', over confidence, brutal n etc.
The case look like is on financial term, not the product itself.

Lets airbus or their former boss spain/CASA to take over that case.

Beside, i think Indonesia should have power to pushback the pinoy...and blacklist them back then.
Indonesia should prepare the punishment if things go wrong...

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Beside, i think Indonesia should have power to pushback the pinoy...

Customer is KING. PT.DI with the back up of Indonesian Gov will strive to achieve the best, win win solution for both party. Philippines Airforce is a great potential customer in the future as well as the other ASEAN member countries. No need to feel offended. The fact that PT.DI still continue its effort to complete the order is a good sign, which shows its confidence that any issue that arise could be resolved amicably.

 

[Kalazan]

Customer is KING. PT.DI with the back up of Indonesian Gov will strive to achieve the best, win win solution for both party. Philippines Airforce is a great potential customer in the future as well as the other ASEAN member countries. No need to feel offended. The fact that PT.DI still continue its effort to complete the order is a good sign, which shows its confidence that any issue that arise could be resolved amicably.

Yes I gree...KING if there in good line of business...and keep the business in good deal.
Just a little question...why this case happened when the aircraft in near to be delivered?

Of course I hope it will solved with smooth between party, win win solution and build cooperation beetween country in the next time.
All must think ASEAN brotherhood is more important.

 

[Yuyukangkang]

Customer is KING. PT.DI with the back up of Indonesian Gov will strive to achieve the best, win win solution for both party. Philippines Airforce is a great potential customer in the future as well as the other ASEAN member countries. No need to feel offended. The fact that PT.DI still continue its effort to complete the order is a good sign, which shows its confidence that any issue that arise could be resolved amicably.

I dunno about the details, but this issue rather different with BAE System v Brunei on Nahkoda Ragam Class? The PH already gave the contract but then ... refused to accept? Subject to abritation maybe?

Yes I gree...KING if there in good line of business...and keep the business in good deal.
Just a little question...why this case happened when the aircraft in near to be delivered?

Of course I hope it will solved with smooth between party, win win solution and build cooperation beetween country in the next time.
All must think ASEAN brotherhood is more important.

maybe $$$ is the issue here ... CMIIW

 

[pr1v4t33r]

PT.DI is blacklisted to bid for any new projects in Philppines for 1 year.

Part of the problem:
http://interaksyon.com/article/7174...m-fixed-wing-aircraft-project-bidding-dnd-mum