India’s worst-ever water shortage, and the corruption surrounding it

[CrazyZ]

Actually he is kinda right, India did receive the second lowest pre monsoon rainfall in the last 65 years, but this doesn't signify any trend.

We got to understand that this is a year of positive El Nino Southern Oscillations (ENSO), a phenomenon that heats up the Eastern Pacific more than the west. It is invariably associated with a weak pre monsoon and South West monsoon for the Indian Subcontinent unless the effects are mitigated by a local rise in the temperatures of the Western Indian Ocean compared to the Eastern IOR, something that is referred to as Indian Ocean Dipole.

Such events are an anomaly occuring every 5-7 years, last el nino year being during 2014-2015. There is no reason for the Pakistani poster to go gaga over it.

Media reports and NGO assessment indicate that regions in India have had deficient rainfall for the last few years. It's worse in the south. west, central regions are also bad. NE is ok.

I recently saw a house where the owner does not have any bore or water connection...his well is full and he designed the house to store rain water and solar power powers his house...for 12 years he only has excess water...the next door people rely on water tanker...he is some IIT guy with extensive experience in the field and has worked abroad as well.

This water shortage is all a myth...if you take care of the silt in ponds and lake and use the water that flows as a waste to the sea...and and dig huge pits like jayalalitha once did in the whole state of tamil nadu...even her own party people laughed at her...but as soon as the rains hit the pits became ponds...ground water was replenished...we can do this though out india as well...it will have positive impact on the ground water level.

Chennai is a leader in rain water harvesting. Look at it today. Only works if it rains.

 

[namefield_empty]

Media reports and NGO assessment indicate that regions in India have had deficient rainfall for the last few years.

That is not true, i am attaching pictures of the SW monsoon and overall rainfall data from 2000-17, if you want to go through heaps of data i can even provide you month and year wise data from 1900. There has been no downward trend of rainfall pattern, only in the positive el Nino years we had appreciable departure from the average.

 

[CrazyZ]

That is not true, i am attaching pictures of the SW monsoon and overall rainfall data from 2000-17, if you want to go through heaps of data i can even provide you month and year wise data from 1900. There has been no downward trend of rainfall pattern, only in the positive el Nino years we had appreciable departure from the average.View attachment 563977 View attachment 563978

Look at the data. 2014 and 2015 are more 10% below the long term average. 2016 & 2017 are also below the long term but to a lesser extent. Monsoons in the South have been subpar for many years.

SW monsoon dump most of their rain on a small sliver of land on the windward side of the ghats. Rain amounts can be huge but doesnt benefit much of India. The NE monsoon is more important.

 

[namefield_empty]

Look at the data. 2014 and 2015 are more 10% below the long term average. 2016 & 2017 are also below the long term but to a lesser extent. Monsoons in the South have been subpar for many years.

SW monsoon dump most of their rain on a small sliver of land on the windward side of the ghats. Rain amounts can be huge but doesnt benefit much of India. The NE monsoon is more important.

It doesn't work that way, that you can look at the list and just list the deviation.

There is a proper mechanism set in place for benchmarking a monsoon deficit year known as Long Period Average(LPA).

The method of calculation takes into account the total rainfall received during SW monsoon and then it's compared to the long term average of the last 50 years. If the rainfall in a year is less than 90 pc of the average, the year is designated as monsoon deficient.

That long period average currently is 890mm and 90 pc of that is about 800mm, now if we compare it with the list i uploaded, every year barring those in which there was positive ENSO or an unfavorable IOD(like 2014 and 2015 as i already mentioned earlier in a post) was well above average.

SW monsoon dump most of their rain on a small sliver of land on the windward side of the ghats.

That is not true either, the Western Ghats are a near continuous chain, so we see less rainfall in Vidarbha. But the Eastern Ghats are discontinuous, rain bearing winds can easily cross over bringing precipitation to Tamil Nadu, Andhra, Telangana and further inland.

The NE monsoon is more important.

CORRECT! Therefore your assertion that South Indian states receive less rainfall is inaccurate. They get rains both during SW and NE monsoon. As a result, the rivers like Krishna and Godavari can be considered as perennial as they receive rainfall from both the monsoons.

Hope it helps you understand.

 

[CrazyZ]

We can argue over stats for a long time. The fact is the people of the region face a challenge related to water. Billions must be spent in infrastructure. It's best to reduce regional tensions so defense spending can be diverted to water infrastructure.

 

[Surya 1]

200k figure is from Indian sources too, not by me Bhai. Btw, Indian has the lowest carbon emission, do you know the difference between pollution and carbon emission?

Do you know Africans have very low carbon emission too, guess why? American have very high per capita carbon emission. Genius, we are 5x your economy of course our carbon emissions are gonna be 5x more. The key point here is pollution, you are the most polluted country in the WORLD even with stone age industrialization. This is the worse combination you can get, coupled with the future demographic dividend, you are fcked my fren.

This means that high pollution according to you is testimony to development. So when you try to prove that India is polluted, you try to prove that India is developing very fast right? You are contradicting yourself. However, looking to your reeducation camp education, I don't blame you. Let me tell you that India is developing faster than China with one fifth of carbon emission.

 

[Han Patriot]

This means that high pollution according to you is testimony to development. So when you try to prove that India is polluted, you try to prove that India is developing very fast right? You are contradicting yourself. However, looking to your reeducation camp education, I don't blame you. Let me tell you that India is developing faster than China with one fifth of carbon emission.

Pollution does not equate carbon emission. Certain carbon emissions maybe pollution. Pollution can be an indicator of industrialization but can also be because of inefficiencies, like outdated power plants, low emission standards, open burning of crops, etc. In India's case it's because of open burning and low emission standards of vehicles and low efficiency power plant compared to China. Multiply it by 1.3 bil, you get a lot of pollution.

India is developing fast, I am not denying it but the pollution you are facing is worse than what China experienced during our developmental years. The question is how long can you sustain your country? We are talking about real implosions here my friend, not the China gonna collapse since 1998 thingy.

You are starting from a lower base of course you will be developing faster, it's like saying Nigeria can develop fast or NK can develop fast. You are an economy 5x smaller with 5x less carbon emissions, which makes sense. China is aiming to reduce pollution and carbon emissions while growing, that's the different path we are taking. The amount of technology, infrastructure and investment we created for renewable energy, UHV, pumped storage dams, smart grid, ultra supercritical power plants are all designed for this future.

My point is I see a bleak future for India due to an incompetent government. There is no political will to solve alot of problems, be it hunger, water or pollution. You can contrast this with the Chinese ability. Yet you are gonna face a demographic 'dividend' soon. =). Your water crisis is caused by over population which in turn cause over exploitation which is exacerbated by a useless government.

 

[Surya 1]

Pollution does not equate carbon emission. Certain carbon emissions maybe pollution. Pollution can be an indicator of industrialization but can also be because of inefficiencies, like outdated power plants, low emission standards, open burning of crops, etc. In India's case it's because of open burning and low emission standards of vehicles and low efficiency power plant compared to China. Multiply it by 1.3 bil, you get a lot of pollution.

India is developing fast, I am not denying it but the pollution you are facing is worse than what China experienced during our developmental years. The question is how long can you sustain your country? We are talking about real implosions here my friend, not the China gonna collapse since 1998 thingy.

You are starting from a lower base of course you will be developing faster, it's like saying Nigeria can develop fast or NK can develop fast. You are an economy 5x smaller with 5x less carbon emissions, which makes sense. China is aiming to reduce pollution and carbon emissions while growing, that's the different path we are taking. The amount of technology, infrastructure and investment we created for renewable energy, UHV, pumped storage dams, smart grid, ultra supercritical power plants are all designed for this future.

My point is I see a bleak future for India due to an incompetent government. There is no political will to solve alot of problems, be it hunger, water or pollution. You can contrast this with the Chinese ability. Yet you are gonna face a demographic 'dividend' soon. =). Your water crisis is caused by over population which in turn cause over exploitation which is exacerbated by a useless government.

The pollution control measures what we have taken is unique. Our Prime Minister is awarded for that. We have target of reducing the temperature by 2 degree in our country by 2030. we have taken a lots of measures to control the pollution. The new highways which we are building has a Green cover invariably. If you come to my city you will see five raws of trees on the road. One in the middle, one the both side and one of the side of walk way. . Recently our NGOs have launched a movement to revive the rivers by planting trees along the length a thick cover of 1km. We have developed extraordinary models which are replicated through out the country. . We are going for organic farming on big way. You seem to be talking about air pollution only but we have a multi pronged approach towards the pollution . We are eliminating Chemicals from our day to day life with Rapid pace. Now organic food and organic milk is in Big demand. People plants lots of trees. As the awareness is spreading, organic fertilizer is used more and more this has resulted into Lush green farms. Even in the area of very low rain.

Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev's Foundation alone has planted 35 million trees in Tamilnadu alone. Electric vehicles are coming in big way. we have put in place some of the stringent norms of pollutions into our country Euro 6 norms will be applicable from 2020. India became very in polution matter because of the Delhi actually Delhi too do not have pollution of its own but the main issue is the farmers in the nearby area crop after harvest to save the money and that creates a lot of pollution in the winter season. Experimentation has fatch some beautiful result and some beautiful things have come out this models are being replicated in country. we are seeing the result of that just 5 years back when tomatoes happened to be hundred rupees kg is is now available at rupees 10 to 15 kg. Fruit is also Dam cheap. Only price of milk is growing because of some extra ordinary usage. we are developing very fast to cope up with the growing demand of the milk. United Nation taken the notice organic farming and jivamrut method developed by agriculture scientist zero budget farming has bought cost of all ingredients to the stage of harvesting to zero . you don't need to spend anything to bring your crop to harvesting stage. This is maiting about farmers wealthy and our farms LushLgreen. Changes happening very rapidly and Grass root level which the world has failed to notice. Soon people will see new India much better India define India. Naturally many of this experiments and innovation will drive the the world.
So far is India's future is concern ,
you just don't worry and leave it to us . your CPC propaganda May have convienced you that India's future is bleak but in fact the whole world is bullish about India. We shall be the second largest economy by 2030 and world's number one economy by 2050. So rest assured and take care of your country.
India has 1.3 million genius people to take care of it.

 

[CrazyZ]

 

[namefield_empty]

South west monsoon announces its arrival in India, hits the coasts of Kerala and our North East on the same day.

Will take some time before it reaches over to Pakistan, after traversing through much of the Indian mainland.

 

[CrazyZ]

South west monsoon announces its arrival in India, hits the coasts of Kerala and our North East on the same day.

Will take some time before it reaches over to Pakistan, after traversing through much of the Indian mainland.

Good News. It still may take a few more weeks before thew worst affected regions are relieved.

 

[Indian Libertarian]

What are some reasonable solutions for this issue?

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

control the god damn population

SMARTPHONE HAS DEFUSED THE BOMB OF POPULATION EXPLOSION THE WORLD OVER.

Smartphone has defused the bomb of population explosion the world over. Be it China, be it Pakistan, be it Bangladesh, be it India or be it Africa.

Information for the unacquainted: Time that the rural people used to spend procreating is now being spent watching youtube videos. Indian television shows are crap but majority of the population like it and youtube gives access. Internet also gives the simple rural folks constructive ideas about education and employment. Smartphone also gives access to Facebook and WhatsApp. And I forgot to mention cricket. All this keeps them busy and prevents them from copulating more.

Finally something that works. Television didn't work. Till smartphones arrived in 2010, it seemed coercive methods were the only way to control population explosion.

Smartphone has done a miracle.

Edit-Add: Internet also has p0rn but that won't affect the effectiveness of Smartphone in controlling the population. Earlier, rural folks would indulge in sex because of complete absence of any other pastime. Indian culture is conservative. Given a choice between clean entertainment and p0rn, most Indians would choose the former. Complete absence of option is worse than a choice between p0rn and clean entertainment. Even if Indians watch a bit of p0rn, they would get over it and switch to other channels like drama shows or even political news.

And yet we think democracy works. I was shocked the first time I arrived in Bangalore, I found out my hotel uses water from trucks and not a piped network.

China has alpine climate. China gets snowfall. India is a tropical country. We only get rainfall.

 

[namefield_empty]

India is a tropical country. We only get rainfall.

WRONG!! There are plenty of places in India with alpine climate and places that receive snowfall too. Acquaint yourself with India first to get passed off as an Indian.

 

[Han Patriot]

SMARTPHONE HAS DEFUSED THE BOMB OF POPULATION EXPLOSION THE WORLD OVER.

Smartphone has defused the bomb of population explosion the world over. Be it China, be it Pakistan, be it Bangladesh, be it India or be it Africa.

Information for the unacquainted: Time that the rural people used to spend procreating is now being spent watching youtube videos. Indian television shows are crap but majority of the population like it and youtube gives access. Internet also gives the simple rural folks constructive ideas about education and employment. Smartphone also gives access to Facebook and WhatsApp. And I forgot to mention cricket. All this keeps them busy and prevents them from copulating more.

Finally something that works. Television didn't work. Till smartphones arrived in 2010, it seemed coercive methods were the only way to control population explosion.

Smartphone has done a miracle.

Edit-Add: Internet also has p0rn but that won't affect the effectiveness of Smartphone in controlling the population. Earlier, rural folks would indulge in sex because of complete absence of any other pastime. Indian culture is conservative. Given a choice between clean entertainment and p0rn, most Indians would choose the former. Complete absence of option is worse than a choice between p0rn and clean entertainment. Even if Indians watch a bit of p0rn, they would get over it and switch to other channels like drama shows or even political news.


China has alpine climate. China gets snowfall. India is a tropical country. We only get rainfall.

Well we actually get snowfall and rainfall