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India's strong GDP data leaves economists scratching their heads

the taxation system is far from perfect... estimates vary but it seems anywhere between 1 to 5 percent people pay income tax.
The minimum wage is actually pretty low, varies from state to state.. but low anyway. You dont need to enforce it, I think. The middle class is used to cheap labour, they will hate you for causing inflation. There is already grumble among them regarding NREGA scheme(an employment guarantee scheme by govt of India, that has increased the price of unskilled labour).
The repercussions of public frustration have sometimes very devastating results. Following the colonization of large parts of Asia and Africa, the European countries had very prosperous economies like present day Bharat but the general public in Europe was badly suffering in the hands of clerics, industrialists and feudal lords. The pent up frustration resulted into large no. of massacres through the theories of communism and socialism. The frustrated then encroached almost half of the continent of Europe following heavy bloodbaths.

The remaining Europe then brought great reforms for public to stop further encroachment of communism. The reforms satisfied the European public so much that communism could not spread any further. Bharati billionaires and politicians may suffer from similar disasters in future if reforms on the style of Europe are not enforced by the govt. regimes of the present era. The Bhrati govt. has to bring public reforms on the basis of the great national economy. Bharati economy is strong enough to facilitate general public adequately.
 
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Why Raghuram Rajan doesn’t trust India’s GDP number
  • Jan 29, 2016
By Dinesh Unnikrishnan

Every other economist you talk to would caution you to take India’s GDP (gross domestic product) numbers with a pinch of salt. That has been so for a year since the Narendra Modi government introduced new measure to count the GDP (based on Gross Value Added (GVA) method instead of the earlier one based on factor cost) and changed the base year of GDP calculation to 2011-12 from 2004-05. Reserve Bank of India (RBI) governor Raghuram Rajan has now joined this group, raising questions about the GDP numbers. RBI governor Raghuram Rajan. PTI “There are problems with the way we count GDP, which is why we need to be careful sometimes just talking about growth," Rajan on Thursday said in his address at the 13th convocation at Indira Gandhi Institute of Development Research. The new method of GDP instantly lifted the country’s GDP growth to 7.3 percent in fiscal year 2015 compared with 5.5 per cent under the old series. For the Modi government, the higher GDP number was euphoric to support its claims that the economy has indeed turned the corner to the high-growth trajectory, becoming world's fastest growing major economy even beating China’s growth rate (though the size of Chinese economy is five times more than that of India.) But the 'skeptics', who would hesitate to go with the Modi camp’s euphoria, kept cautioning about the protruding disconnect between the new set of GDP numbers and high frequency macro-economic indicators in the economy. These included bank credit growth, corporate performance, auto sales, factory output and growth in the manufacturing sector that should ideally correlate with the GDP figure. Even while accepting that the fresh GDP calculation methodology is in line with international practice, they questioned the actual growth rate of the economy and the picture depicted by the new set of numbers. To explain his argument, Rajan took the example of two mothers who babysit each other's child instead of their own and exchange money as charges. "There is a rise in economic activity as each pays the other, but the net effect on the economy is questionable," said Rajan. “We should be careful about how we count. Obviously lots of people have thought how to improve our counting of GDP and going forward that is something that we will have to think about," the governor added. The comments, coming from a world-renowned economist and the head of country’s central bank, are indeed serious enough and should be taken note by the Modi-government. The fact is that there are serious concerns on growth on the ground. There are a few reasons that tell us why the high GDP numbers aren't mirroring the actual situation on ground. One, a highly stressed banking sector and tepid credit growth do not reflect a fast growing, strong economy. Total stressed assets (bad and restructured assets) in the banking sector has risen to 12 per cent of the total bank loans, while gross NPAs of the banking sector, as a percentage of total loans, could reach 5.4% by September 2016, according to the RBI's financial stability report (FSR) from 5.1% in September 2015. Clearly, the health of the banking sector doesn’t look good so far. This is also indicated by the December quarter earnings of ICICI bank, which has reported a spike in gross NPAs to 4.72 per cent from 3.77 per cent in the preceding quarter, indicating that bad loan worries aren't over for the industry yet. Stress in the banking sector has resulted in lower credit flow to productive sectors. Going by the latest RBI data, bank lending to industries has grown by 4.6 percent in the 12 months till October 2015 compared with 7.8 percent in the corresponding period in the previous year. In the March-October period of the current fiscal year, credit growth to industries has languished at negative 0.3 percent compared with 0.7 percent in the previous year. The worst hit has been medium-sized companies, where bank lending has contracted by 10.9 percent as against a contraction of 1.1 per cent in the same period last year. According to analysts, there is more pain left in the banking sector as a significant chunk of the restructured assets will turn bad in the absence of major pick up in the economic scenario. Two, manufacturing growth has been tepid. The tepid growth in factory output, also reflected in the core sector growth (fell 1.3 percent in November) and monthly PMI data (to 49.1 from 50.3 in November) indicate that revival in manufacturing activity has remained elusive. The growth in the manufacturing sector till November this fiscal year has averaged at 3.9 per cent compared with 2.3 per cent in the previous fiscal, which signals some improvement in the economy but not a sharp jump. The sharp contraction in the November IIP number to a four-year low of negative 3.2 percent, (though partly due to seasonal factors) a visible drop in capital goods production and sequential contraction in most of the manufactured products sub-components have raised doubts among economists on the durability of the recent robustness in the industrial output. Three, corporate earnings have been muted so far and hasn’t shown any significant revival yet. This is evident from the profit and revenues growth of companies reported earnings in the September quarter and those companies reported earnings so far in the December quarter stood. The over-leveraged corporates are experiencing further pressure on their cash flows on account of prolonged economic slowdown. A recent note from rating agency Crisil forecast corporate earnings to grow by mere 2 percent in the three months ending December compared with 5 percent in the corresponding period in the previous fiscal year on account of plunging commodity prices coupled with weak investments in the economy. Four, although there is an improvement in the car sales in recent quarters, the two-wheeler sales have tumbled. In the December quarter, the two-wheeler sales have shown a decline. This indicates tepid consumer demand. Five, rural demand continues to be weak as evident from the earnings of companies like HUL, which were below analysts' expectations with a 22 per cent decline in net profit at Rs 971 crore in the third quarter ended December 31, 2015, as compared to Rs 1,252 crore in the corresponding three months of the previous fiscal. Sixth, India has been facing massive contraction on the export-front. The country’s exports have shrunk for the 13 consecutive month in a row. It fell by 18% during April-December 2015 from the same period year ago. As Firstpost has noted before, one of the major factors that benefited the Modi government in the past year was the crash in oil prices, which helped lessen the burden on import bill and the inflation. But, except this, there has not been any marked improvement in the growth triggers in the domestic market regardless of what the GDP number shows. This is probably the reason that prompted Rajan to question the new methodology to calculate the GDP numbers. Clearly, it is time for the Modi government to pay attention to the 'skeptics' and look at the economy in a more realistic manner. Data contributed by Kishor Kadam
 
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They're not fooling anyone but themselves. Such BS I've never seen in my entire life. Pathetic display of vote bank.
well their media is control by their government most of the time they only show in favor of government and most of the time tv anchors only support government personnels
 
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Bharati economy is enormous enough to alleviate poverty. The sole problem of economic disparity has to be resolved. Mr. Moodi must take measures to ensure adequate distribution of financial resources. The majority of people in Bharat are living in abject poverty solely due to the problem of disparity.
that disparity can be reduced to some extent if the growth rate is high and persistent...with higher growth rate you actually involve every sections of society to contribute which will generate more jobs...with more and more white collar jobs available, demand for low profile workers would rise and supply would fall thus the remuneration for their work would increase sharply...

Today the problem is, low profile workers earn too less as there is huge supply...I am a middle class IT guy living in India's top city Mumbai with my wife and 2 kids- I can afford, 1 full time(resident) maid, 1 part time to do household work....In my office, there are office boys to keep office area clean and hygienic - they get paid 1/10 of what I earn at the middle managerial level..!

Just to conclude,
The disparity is too big due to huge supply of low profile workers! If they get good long term jobs in manufacturing units in large numbers, the supply would decrease and thus their remuneration would increase!
 
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You see? They just post without even bothering to read the thread lol.

Thats how so much of the crap starts in their own subforum lol (when they aren't busy fighting among themselves hehe).
 
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More bad news folks ;) :

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...-to-50-7-in-february/articleshow/57405531.cms

Factory output expands, manufacturing PMI rises to 50.7 in February

NEW DELHI: A day after government data showed that the adverse impact of demonetisation on the economy was much lower than anticipated, two separate data releases on Wednesday indicated that companies and consumers are getting over any persisting cashcrunch concerns.

The Nikkei India Manufacturing Purchasing Managers’ Index (PMI) rose to 50.7 in February from 50.4 in January, suggesting further improvement in manufacturing sentiment.

Meanwhile, domestic passenger vehicle sales rose 9.5% in February from the year ago, marking the second successive month of recovery after a 14.4% rise in January. A PMI reading in excess of 50 indicates expansion and contraction below that. The index had signalled manufacturing contraction in December, the first full month after the November 8 demonetisation announcement, with a reading of 49.6.

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Data released on Tuesday showed the economy clocked 7% growth in the October-December quarter, confounding most experts who had pencilled in sharply lower growth due to the currency swap. For the full year, the economy is expected to report 7.1% growth, slower than 7.9% in FY16 but much better than the near-6.5% forecast by most independent experts.

“Indian manufacturers benefited from recovering demand and raised production volumes in response to another expansion in inflows of new work,” said Pollyanna De Lima, economist at IHS Markit and author of the PMI report. The BSE Sensex ended 0.84% up on the back of good numbers in two days. CARE Ratings has raised its GDP forecast for FY17 to 7.1-7.2% from 6.75% earlier while ICRA sees it growing 7.1% from 6.8% earlier.

The total volume of incoming new work increased for the second month in a row, whereas new export orders expanded for the first time since November 2016, PMI numbers showed.

Rates of growth for both production and order books picked up marginally since January.

On jobs front, the PMI survey showed a decline in manufacturing employment though the rate of job losses was marginal overall.

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Sales of passenger vehicles had declined 1.36% to 227,824 units in December on account of the cash crunch post demonetisation.

There has been a strong rebound after that with lower interest rates and tax cuts in the Budget also contributing to demand.

The country’s largest car maker Maruti Suzuki continued to fare well, reporting an 11.5% rise in domestic sales to 120,599 units. Tata Motors reported a 12% rise while the second-biggest car maker Hyundai clocked a 4% rise.

Wait for the Bhakt economist @Nilgiri to prove this all wrong,wrong and wrong.:P

How many "cars" (mostly secondhand clunkers) does the entire BD (forget individual supplier monthly performance) buy in a year? Oh right about 22,000 at best:

https://www.brta.gov.bd/images/statistics-bd-sept-16.pdf
 
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Very well explained by Mr. Kumar here on the issues at play:

 
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Very well explained by Mr. Kumar here on the issues at play:


Very interesting, As claims by that economist the number of projects in the informal sector that may have been accounted in to the formal sector due to demonetization and tax reforms, Hence the high figures than expect in the GDP, even though manufacturing and services does not show correlating growth on the ground or the negative impact of demonetization
 
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Now that data is out...all speculations on GDP growth rate should be put to rest. Many times, general economic theories that are used to predict GDP growth rates fail to capture complex and large economies such as India.
 
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Now that data is out...all speculations on GDP growth rate should be put to rest. Many times, general economic theories that are used to predict GDP growth rates fail to capture complex and large economies such as India.

Actually it has raised more questions than answers, Data are not definite especially when they are contradictory.. These are standard measurements that are used in much larger much more complex economies than India
 
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As long investors believe on india's GDP growth..who cares what Pakistani thinks...
Hope China will reduce the investment in India after this....
 
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Actually it has raised more questions than answers, Data are not definite especially when they are contradictory.. These are standard measurements that are used in much larger much more complex economies than India

The world said the same thing about the data of Chinese economy. Now who was proved right. Sitting outside and writing based on your experience and knowledge on economics is fine. But I would anyday go with the data collated by CSO. Anyway the data will be public in a few days. Then let us see what these armchair economists say then.

In the meanwhile sensex has given a big thumbs up to the GDP figures with a 6 months closing high.
 
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Actually it has raised more questions than answers, Data are not definite especially when they are contradictory.. These are standard measurements that are used in much larger much more complex economies than India

You can confusing between Sophisticated economies and complex economies. India is a very complex economy.

Indian economy is complex due to its HUGE unorganized sector which cannot be directly measured. Which is why consumption patterns is one of the indicator, but the reality in India is that there are plenty of poor who buy gold in black, put money in "chit funds", etc. which are not part of the organized sector. A man plying his hand rickshaw, or his "jugad" rickshaw in the villages etc.

Alcohol production and sale in India is also invisible due to being in the unorganized sector, so is hospitality industry due to what is known as "paying guest", ...there are a thousand such example.

Consumption pattern for example will not show the consumption of "desi" alcohol, PG food or small quantities of gold. This is just a small example. Extrapolate from here.
 
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