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India's rupee crisis has muted obsession with overtaking China
By Michael Hennigan, Finfacts founder and editor
Aug 23, 2013 - 8:10 AM

India's rupee crisis has muted its obsession with overtaking China and with growth halving in recent years, international focus has been drawn to the development challenges in Asia's third biggest economy.

Amartya Sen, a Nobel laureate, is a professor of economics and philosophy at Harvard, and this week he wrote in The New York Times that since Indian independence in 1947, life expectancy at birth has more than doubled, to 66 years from 32, and per-capita income (adjusted for inflation) has grown fivefold. In recent decades, reforms pushed up the country’s once sluggish growth rate to around 8% per year, before it fell back over the last two years.

He however acknowledged China's superior capacity to deliver public services and said that almost one in every 5 males and one in every 3 females are illiterate while less than half the children can divide 20 by 5, even after four years of schooling.

China's public spending on health is at 2.7% of GDP (gross domestic product) while India's is at 1.2%.

Sen says the inadequacies in education and health require more democracy not less, rather than moving closer to China's authoritarian system.

Jagdish Bhagwati, the other well-known Indian emigrant economist who is professor of law and economics at Columbia University, is a bitter rival of Sen's and they are each 79 years old.

Bhagwati, is best known for his work on trade and has been critical of Amartya Sen's model of growth, which he says has actually hurt the poor in India by not really supporting the market reforms in 1991 and pushing for a Food Security Bill which would create inflation.

India has a notorious reputation for bureaucratic red tape and Prof Bhagwati has no confidence in the political system delivering a significant improvement in public services.

Last month, 23 children, aged between four and 12, died after eating a lunch of lentils, potatoes and rice cooked at the school in a poverty-stricken village.

Forensic tests showed the meal was contaminated with monocrotophos, a lethal pesticide banned in many countries.

The infrastructure deficit was highlighted last year when there were huge electricity blackouts, affecting 600m people.

Arvind Subramanian, an Indian national, who is based at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington DC, wrote:

[In Lord Richard Attenborough’s movie Gandhi, an underling of the British Empire heatedly warns his supercilious boss that Mahatma Gandhi’s impending protest march to the sea poses a far greater threat than the Raj realizes: “Salt, sir, is a symbol.” This elicits the memorable sneering put-down from the boss (played by Sir John Gielgud): “Don’t patronize me, Charles.”]

Subramanian asked: is power, or rather the power sector, today’s salt - - emblematic of both the pessimistic outlook and promise of India?

Twenty years ago, just over 40% of India’s households had electricity. Today, that’s up to 66%. Much of the power is stolen or given away free. Local politicians put pressure on power companies to keep tariffs low, which leads to huge losses.

Advances in solar technology such as the solar lamp, have great potential in rural areas.

Soutik Biswas, Delhi correspondent of the BBC, said in August 2012:

India has an installed capacity of more than 170,000 megawatts, up from a mere 1,362 megawatts at the time of Independence in 1947;
Despite its soaring energy needs, India has one of the lowest per capita rates of consumption of power in the world - 734 units as compared to a world average of 2,429 units. This is nothing compared with say, Canada, (18,347 units) and the US (13,647 units). China's per capita consumption (2,456 units) is more than three times that of India.;
Sixty-five years after independence, only nine states - - Andhra Pradesh, Gujarat, Karnataka, Goa, Delhi, Haryana, Kerala, Punjab and Tamil Nadu - - of 28 have been officially declared totally
electrified.

India's exports during 2012-13 stood at US$300.3bn, while imports were at $491.9bn. The trade deficit stood at $191.6bn.

Ireland's goods exports were insignificant at €235m in 2012 compared with €337m in exports to Romania. Imports were valued at €365m. Services trade with India does not even merit separate country data.

Reuters reports that India's foreign exchange reserves were at $278.602bn as of August 9; China's reserves grew from $600bn 10 years ago to $3.5tn as of June this year.
India's rupee crisis has muted obsession with overtaking China
 
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simply out of jealousy

one day when the incapable cheerleading indians get their feet back to earth, their deficits will go down and rupees will go up
 
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simply out of jealousy

one day when the incapable cheerleading indians get their feet back to earth, their deficits will go down and rupees will go up

This whole India overtaking China thing is nothing more than a fantasy story traders sold to investors to prop up the Sensex to begin with. They took China's growth and then looked at the only country in the world with similar population, and then slapped a "future superpower" logo on it. Upon receiving this designation, India went on a debt fueled consumption surge and created this mirage of "economic growth". You can do that in good times, but in case of a global liquidity crunch, India got exposed of its financial weakness, and its nasty current account deficit is starting to bite. Granted, the government debt is mostly internal, but overall external debt from private sector is too big. If India let the rupee collapse, private sector will suffer, but intervening the market like the RBI is doing means the government will have to eat a lot of the losses. There is no easy way out.

Fundamentally, India is not a nation that produces enough goods, in both quantity and quality, for its inflated world standing. Consumption alone will not save this sick man of Asia. While China suffers from production overcapacity, India suffers the exact opposite. China has the financial means and political will to restructure industries and make tough choices for the transition, but India is nothing but a government mess mired in political infighting. This is a country without hope and the bubble is bursting fast.
 
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This whole India overtaking China thing is nothing more than a fantasy story traders sold to investors to prop up the Sensex to begin with. They took China's growth and then looked at the only country in the world with similar population, and then slapped a "future superpower" logo on it. Upon receiving this designation, India went on a debt fueled consumption surge and created this mirage of "economic growth". You can do that in good times, but in case of a global liquidity crunch, India got exposed of its financial weakness, and its nasty current account deficit is starting to bite. Granted, the government debt is mostly internal, but overall external debt from private sector is too big. If India let the rupee collapse, private sector will suffer, but intervening the market like the RBI is doing means the government will have to eat a lot of the losses. There is no easy way out.

Fundamentally, India is not a nation that produces enough goods, in both quantity and quality, for its inflated world standing. Consumption alone will not save this sick man of Asia. While China suffers from production overcapacity, India suffers the exact opposite. China has the financial means and political will to restructure industries and make tough choices for the transition, but India is nothing but a government mess mired in political infighting. This is a country without hope and the bubble is bursting fast.

Quoted for Truth!

This will sting the Indian ego :D
 
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This whole India overtaking China thing is nothing more than a fantasy story traders sold to investors to prop up the Sensex to begin with. They took China's growth and then looked at the only country in the world with similar population, and then slapped a "future superpower" logo on it. Upon receiving this designation, India went on a debt fueled consumption surge and created this mirage of "economic growth". You can do that in good times, but in case of a global liquidity crunch, India got exposed of its financial weakness, and its nasty current account deficit is starting to bite. Granted, the government debt is mostly internal, but overall external debt from private sector is too big. If India let the rupee collapse, private sector will suffer, but intervening the market like the RBI is doing means the government will have to eat a lot of the losses. There is no easy way out.

Fundamentally, India is not a nation that produces enough goods, in both quantity and quality, for its inflated world standing. Consumption alone will not save this sick man of Asia. While China suffers from production overcapacity, India suffers the exact opposite. China has the financial means and political will to restructure industries and make tough choices for the transition, but India is nothing but a government mess mired in political infighting. This is a country without hope and the bubble is bursting fast.

But that is impossible.

Indian politicians and economists must know that they were screwed up by it.

Superpower is the future of India, and their politicians and economists know about it very well.
 
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Lol a Chinese posting a article which includes indias name many times
& the call us obssed
Don't mistake Jayatli for the common india

Let me tell you what he knows about china
It is our northern neighbor,noodles,Bruce lee & Jacki china
That's it
 
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China is a super power already. Hindis wanna be superpowers are always in delusion. May be because there is no Dalit in ruling elite. But they like Chinese noodles.

I see you trolling in every thread related to Pakistan or China.

I would like Mods to do something about it @Aeronaut @Oscar @WebMaster @nuclearpak @Awesome
 
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Lol a Chinese posting a article which includes indias name many times
& the call us obssed
Don't mistake Jayatli for the common india

Let me tell you what he knows about china
It is our northern neighbor,noodles,Bruce lee & Jacki china
That's it

Is that something to be proud of? I think more Chinese should be encourage to know India better, not just stereotypes like all Indians are Bhuddist! lol There is a difference between media's obsession and common people's objective knowledge of the world.
 
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Is that something to be proud of? I think more Chinese should be encourage to know India better, not just stereotypes like all Indians are Bhuddist! lol There is a difference between media's obsession and common people's objective knowledge of the world.

Yes, very true, people of both countries should know more about each other. So far in PDF we have learned to bash each other and run a smear campaign against each other, and don't call me biased, but Chinese do this more. Can anyone tell me what so many "rape" threads are doing in a "defense" forum?

The popular things most Indians know about China are Chinese cuisine, Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan & Chinese decorative items painted with beautiful Dragons. Bruce Lee was a Superhero here in his time. We are familiar with some Chinese films, and I like “Kung Fu Hustle” :D, a good crazy action-comedy film! However, Chinese food remains THE MOST POPULAR Chinese product in India; and many Indians know more about Chinese food than mainland Chinese! :P Want to know more about that? :D

So what are the good things you know about India? :)
 
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Yes, very true, people of both countries should know more about each other. So far in PDF we have learned to bash each other and run a smear campaign against each other, and don't call me biased, but Chinese do this more. Can anyone tell me what so many "rape" threads are doing in a "defense" forum?

The popular things most Indians know about China are Chinese cuisine, Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan & Chinese decorative items painted with beautiful Dragons. Bruce Lee was a Superhero here in his time. We are familiar with some Chinese films, and I like “Kung Fu Hustle” :D, a good crazy action-comedy film! However, Chinese food remains THE MOST POPULAR Chinese product in India; and many Indians know more about Chinese food than mainland Chinese! :P Want to know more about that? :D

So what are the good things you know about India? :)

Indian movies, Three Idiots, Unknown Death, Slumdog Millionaire...
 
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Yes, very true, people of both countries should know more about each other. So far in PDF we have learned to bash each other and run a smear campaign against each other, and don't call me biased, but Chinese do this more. Can anyone tell me what so many "rape" threads are doing in a "defense" forum?

I say it's about even. Rape threads because it became international news.

The popular things most Indians know about China are Chinese cuisine, Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan & Chinese decorative items painted with beautiful Dragons. Bruce Lee was a Superhero here in his time. We are familiar with some Chinese films, and I like “Kung Fu Hustle” :D, a good crazy action-comedy film! However, Chinese food remains THE MOST POPULAR Chinese product in India; and many Indians know more about Chinese food than mainland Chinese! :P Want to know more about that? :D

So what are the good things you know about India? :)

What are the popular Chinese food in India?

We know very little about India. Ancient civilization and Buddhism. Indians love to dance.
 
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I say it's about even. Rape threads because it became international news.



What are the popular Chinese food in India?

We know very little about India. Ancient civilization and Buddhism. Indians love to dance.

Monkey brain...
 
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Indian movies, Three Idiots, Unknown Death, Slumdog Millionaire...

Indian movies!! Are they available in China or you see it in US? :what: However, movie is a good medium to know about each other. Here is a link below about some of the best Hindi/Bollywood movies, most of them are good. Bollywood is the biggest film industry in India closely followed by South Indian film industry. You can also find some very high-quality films from Bengali film industry; they are not so much big-budget technological marvel like Hollywood films are, but they are creative & intellectual films. :)

IMDb: The 100 Greatest Hindi Movies of All Time - a list by swarupbasak

What are the popular Chinese food in India?

We know very little about India. Ancient civilization and Buddhism. Indians love to dance.

The best thing we know about China is its cuisine. Chinese foods are very popular in many parts of India. There are lots of restaurants serving Chinese cuisine here. And if you ask us Calcuttans (Kolkatans), then we know more about Chinese cuisine then any Chinese! :P Actually there is a large population of Chinese in Kolkata, and their main businesses are leather products and restaurants. We have lots of Chinese restaurants as well as multi-cuisine restaurants also serving Chinese everywhere in Kolkata. There is also a place called Chinatown in Tangra, Kolkata which is full of may be some 100 or more Chinese restaurants, both big & small!! One of my clients is a Chinese (now Indian citizen), probably a Han Chinese as his name starts with Han, he also runs a Chinese restaurant. He goes to China once in 2-3 years to meet his relatives there. I once asked him if the Chinese foods served here are the same as in China, he said yes; they are authentic Chinese. :) We even serve Chinese in occasions like marriage ceremony, birthday celebrations also along with different Indian cuisine. Note that most Chinese restaurants are run by Indians all over India, and biggest of them is the restaurant chain "Mainland China" run by a Bengali. :)

Chinese foods are very popular as street foods also, while restaurants serve hundreds of different dishes, Chinese street foods are mostly limited to variants of noodles/chowmein, momo (dumplings), fried rice, & chicken items like chili chicken or schezwan chicken, etc. (Names might differ). We mostly stick to dishes made with noodles, rice, chicken, prawn, & fish, we don't venture into other kind of Chinese foods! :D
@Okemos Above posts are for you also :)

Monkey brain...

Thanks for trolling. :pissed:
 
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