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India's rich temples may open gold vaults for Narendra Modi

They are two separate issue, let us not mix them up.

Hindus need to wrestle back control of our Temples from the govt. and have the right to constitute our own board.

Monetizing temple gold and using it for public welfare and at the same time, the gold remains with the temple is a beautiful solution to keeping the gold safe.

I fail to understand the problem of gold back currency. How does it mater if the gold is behind a vault in a temple or a vault in RBI ? The vault in RBI is a lot safer. IF you want we can discuss how to make it more safe, or how to ensure the Hindus retain their control over the gold. But you cannot defy the economic sense of bringing back this gold into circulation.

I am against E-Gold, but as long as the govt. of India has the equivalent of that real gold in their reserve, how is it unsafe ? Keeping it in a vault that can be and will be robbed is more unsafe.

No problem with the link. Take you time. :tup:

It is not safe in the RBI vault. It is in Bank of England.
 
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Da$@ right, if the govt. can leave the church,mosque & gurudwara alone!! Why not the same with the mandir!!

& should temple trustees have any power over the gold that was given by devotees out of devotion/love to God!

Also many of these missionaries & Wahaabis too have a lot of money stored up in their churches, mosques & trusts.. Why isn't this scheme extended to them or even the Jains,Buddhists & Sikhs!!

A lot of this gold is locked up and is not recirculated into the economy. From an economic perspective, making these marketable will push in billions of dollars into the economy accelerating growth. The temples will not be worse off since it's just gold for cash. It's a win-win.
 
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By the way, the govt never brought home the 200 tons of gold it purchased from the IMF. It is still in Bank of England.

RBI gets HC notice to explain gold deposits with Bank of England

Capital Mind – RBI Will Sell Gold in India, Buy Gold Abroad, Ease Supply

RBI Will Sell Gold in India, Buy Gold Abroad, Ease Supply
With the large duty on Gold imports, and very large gold requirements in an inflationary economy, the issue of “how can we reduce Gold imports” has driven RBI to an interesting solution.

Economic Times reports that RBI will swap Gold it owns in India for Gold deliverable in London. The official reason is that the Gold is sought to be replaced with that of a purer variety.

Here’s how the proposed swap scheme between RBI and banks would work: RBI will give delivery of gold from its Nagpur vault to banks in India while taking delivery of gold from banks in London.

But the gold that RBI would give to banks in India could be of a slightly inferior quality compared with the ‘London deliverable’ purer gold that it would receive from banks in London. The banks will deposit the gold in London in RBI’s account with Bank of England.

But what does this swap really do?

Ease Gold Supply in India Without Hitting CAD
Since RBI will sell gold in India to Banks who can sell onward to jewellers, the supply issues in India will ease. Currently, Banks import Gold for jewellers, who have to pay upfront, and then they can only reimport another batch if 20% of the last batch has been exported. And then, there’s a 10% duty on imported gold.

If the RBI were to swap, for instance, 10% of it’s gold, that’s an additional 50 tons of gold (1/10th of its holding) that would be 50 tons less that was imported.

In context, that’s about a month’s requirement of imports.

Why will it not impact the CAD?

Effectively, Swaps Dollars for Rupees, Contracts Money Supply
When RBI buys gold in India it will receive rupees. The purchase in London will be paid for in Dollars. Those dollars are already owned by the RBI as forex reserves. So effectively, the RBI will sell dollars it owns and the rupees it receives will go out of circulation.

In that context, the quantum of gold sold will impact money supply, a little bit. India owns $21 billion of gold, worth about Rs. 120,000 cr. (1.2 trillion), so a 10% contraction is about Rs. 12,000 cr.

A reduction of money supply by 12,000 cr. is not a big deal, and can be replenished easily; the RBI routinely buys dollars by printing rupees anyhow, and it can do an OMO auction to buy bonds.

Capital Mind View
This is good for Gold companies, but only if the quantum is known. If the RBI does this for tiny amounts, it’s insignificant. If it swaps more than 50 tons, it will help ease supply pressure in the next 6 months.

In any case we expect a graded withdrawal of limits on gold imports and the import duty over the next year. In fact, we expect an announcement of the process in the budget, followed by RBI in it’s next Policy statement in August.

If you ask us about how it impacts markets, then our answer in the current situation is: everything will impact the market positively nowadays. There is no news that can even be considered remotely negative. So, that.

Good point.

I absolutely disagree that RBI should keep its gold in the Bank of England !!!

All the gold India owns must be kept in India. Not in England.

But if that an be done, then what is the problem ?
 
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A lot of this gold is locked up and is not recirculated into the economy. From an economic perspective, making these marketable will push in billions of dollars into the economy accelerating growth. The temples will not be worse off since it's just gold for cash. It's a win-win.

It is not a win-win, especially given that value of rupee crashes all the time while value of gold is being rigged to crash. Gold has outperformed paper money always, so no dice.
 
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It is not safe in the RBI vault. It is in Bank of England.

Got it, and I disagree with this arrangement. It is Foolish and dangerous. WTF is Raghuram Rajan thinking !!!!

Does studying in Cambridge and Harvard, destroy your common sense.

It is not a win-win, especially given that value of rupee crashes all the time while value of gold is being rigged to crash. Gold has outperformed paper money always, so no dice.

Not really, E-Gold has the same value as physical gold. If gold price increases, e-gold price increases too.
 
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It is not a win-win, especially given that value of rupee crashes all the time while value of gold is being rigged to crash. Gold has outperformed paper money always, so no dice.

This would simply be a matter of the temples hiring proper advisers or setting up trusts to manage their investments in marketable forms.

Gold locked up results in a gain for no one.
 
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Good point.

I absolutely disagree that RBI should keep its gold in the Bank of England !!!

All the gold India owns must be kept in India. Not in England.

But if that an be done, then what is the problem ?

It wont be done. That is the problem. When Germany asked for its gold back from USA, Federal Bank of USA said it would repatriate the gold at the rate of 50 tons every year due to security issues. Imagine this?

All govts are involved in this kind of schadenfreude. They get over clever and think nothing of losing their people's hard earned gold for paper money. If you are so certain that RBI is going to keep our gold home, then you must explain why over the last so many years it has not brought home the gold it paid for to India yet.
 
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it is a wet dream of modi. i don't know about the other temples in india but i'm 100% sure that modi won't get the gold in Sree Padmanabha Swamy temple.
Ohh, we want the chinese agents in India and Islam agents to steal it later in Kerala?
 
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Not really, E-Gold has the same value as physical gold. If gold price increases, e-gold price increases too.

Nope. Gold has been rigged to be at the current value it is. There is not enough physical gold present in the world to cover even a miniscule fraction of e-gold that has been sold in the market. It is a huge huge scam of gargantum proportion.
 
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It wont be done. That is the problem. When Germany asked for its gold back from USA, Federal Bank of USA said it would repatriate the gold at the rate of 50 tons every year due to security issues. Imagine this?

All govts are involved in this kind of schadenfreude. They get over clever and think nothing of losing their people's hard earned gold for paper money. If you are so certain that RBI is going to keep our gold home, then you must explain why over the last so many years it has not brought home the gold it paid for to India yet.

Gold is intrinsically worthless. It has any value you place on it and it makes no difference whether it's in electronic form or in hard form - except for the fact that the previous is marketable and helps accelerate growth.
 
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This would simply be a matter of the temples hiring proper advisers or setting up trusts to manage their investments in marketable forms.

Gold locked up results in a gain for no one.

Gold is wealth. Wealth sitting at home still distinguishes one from someone living on credit.
 
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It wont be done. That is the problem. When Germany asked for its gold back from USA, Federal Bank of USA said it would repatriate the gold at the rate of 50 tons every year due to security issues. Imagine this?

All govts are involved in this kind of schadenfreude. They get over clever and think nothing of losing their people's hard earned gold for paper money. If you are so certain that RBI is going to keep our gold home, then you must explain why over the last so many years it has not brought home the gold it paid for to India yet.

I know, hence the reason why I said we must physically hold all our gold.

The reality is that the price of gold is kept artificially low. Once oil runs out, the shit will hit the ceiling.

At that time, price of gold will go up by at least 100 times.

Indian govt. so far has kept away from such fraud. But if this is a sign of changing times, I am not sure about the acche din. Its going to be built on a foundation of sand.

I have already put the cevat that gold must be physically held by the GoI. What more need to be explained ? RBI is wrong, and before GoI can ask for our gold, it must set it own house in order.

Nope. Gold has been rigged to be at the current value it is. There is not enough physical gold present in the world to cover even a miniscule fraction of e-gold that has been sold in the market. It is a huge huge scam of gargantum proportion.

LOL. I am aware of it.
 
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Gold is wealth. Wealth sitting at home still distinguishes one from someone living on credit.
I know, hence the reason why I said we must physically hold all our gold.

The reality is that the price of gold is kept artificially low. Once oil runs out, the shit will hit the ceiling.

At that time, price of gold will go up by at least 100 times.

Indian govt. so far has kept away from such fraud. But if this is a sign of changing times, I am not sure about the acche din. Its going to be built on a foundation of sand.

I have already put the cevat that gold must be physically held by the GoI. What more need to be explained ? RBI is wrong, and before GoI can ask for our gold, it must set it own house in order.

Look at the flip side. Space mining kicks in and gold is found in abundant quantity across the solar system - the price of gold will tank. Keeping ifs and buts aside, having a marketable investment >>>> hiding something under your pillow.
 
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Gold is wealth. Wealth sitting at home still distinguishes one from someone living on credit.

Gold is symbolic of wealth since Indians put a premium on it. Without the Indians to value it, the global market for gold will just disappear :P

Look at the flip side. Space mining kicks in and gold is found in abundant quantity across the solar system - the price of gold will tank. Keeping ifs and buts aside, having a marketable investment >>>> hiding something under your pillow.

Investment must be on something solid, not on race horses. Not all investments are good, statistically speaking, most investment are NOT good. Its a double edge sword.
 
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A lot of this gold is locked up and is not recirculated into the economy. From an economic perspective, making these marketable will push in billions of dollars into the economy accelerating growth. The temples will not be worse off since it's just gold for cash. It's a win-win.

You haven't answered my second part of the question.. WHY is this scheme not applicable for gurudwaras,churches & mosques?

Also many of these missionaries & Wahaabis too have a lot of money stored up in their churches, mosques & trusts!!

And this gold is not the govt's to take! nor the trustees to give! This temple gold has a strong religious/sentimental significance for millions of devotees around the nation
 
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