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What Indian phone 'makers'? They don't make anything. And what Indian 'ecosystem'? There is no such thing as an Indian ecosystem. They are all trading companies that buy Chinese phones off the shelf and rebrand them. As with any Indian traders, they are incredibly cheap and unscrupulous. They buy the cheapest possible Chinese phones, even ones that don't pass quality controls. The competition between Indian traders and African traders are fierce: both are bottom feeders with comparable purchasing power.



https://www.ft.com/content/6cb6405c-2276-11e7-8691-d5f7e0cd0a16

India’s phonemakers cry foul on Chinese rivals

Homegrown companies call for ‘antidumping’ duties as market share leaps towards 50%
The Jio LYF phone is an Indian handset in a market experiencing intense Chinese competition © Reuters
India’s smartphone makers are seeking government action after a dramatic loss of market share to deep-pocketed Chinese rivals, who have been taking the country’s mobile market by storm with aggressive pricing and marketing campaigns.

Homegrown companies such as Micromax and Intex had grown to dominate the Indian mobile market, building strong local brands while relying heavily on product designers and component suppliers in China.

But over the past year, Chinese smartphone makers such as Xiaomi, Lenovo and Oppo have launched an intense assault on India, where their market share grew to 46 per cent in the final quarter of 2016 from 14 per cent a year earlier, according to Counterpoint Research. Indian brands’ share fell from 54 per cent to 20 per cent during the same period.

“The government should be more supportive of their people,” Narendra Bansal, founder of Intex Technologies, the second-biggest Indian smartphone brand by sales, told the Financial Times. “Every child needs hand-holding by their parents.”

Mr Bansal called for “anti-dumping duties” on Chinese handsets, similar to those imposed on low-priced steel imports from the country. He argued that supplementary levies could be imposed even for handsets assembled by Chinese companies in India, to compensate for the financial support that those groups have received from Beijing.

Industry leaders have met government officials in recent weeks to outline their concerns, according to one person with direct knowledge of the talks.

Beyond pricing, executives are alarmed by the huge scale of an ongoing Chinese advertising drive: on billboards across the country, Bollywood heart-throb Deepika Padukone can be seen clutching an Oppo handset, while Indian cricket captain Virat Kohli gazes at a phone from Shenzhen-based Gionee.

The Chinese companies’ focus on India reflects the huge recent growth of its smartphone market. Last year, 109m smartphones were shipped in the country, according to IDC, well more than double the number three years before.

“Their spending is too high,” said Pradeep Jain, founder of Karbonn Mobile, which once ranked third in the Indian market but, like other local brands, has now dropped out of the top five. “The government should do something otherwise it’s a loss for industry, and a loss for the government also.”

The appeals from hardware companies come after the founders of ride-hailing app Ola and online marketplace Flipkart both called in recent months for government support in their respective battles with Uber and Amazon. Such demands have met with little response from a government that has been keen to improve India’s reputation as a destination for foreign investment.

“The China ecosystem historically came up because of a lot of subsidies and incentives from the Chinese government,” said Shubhajit Sen, chief marketing officer at Micromax, the biggest Indian phonemaker by sales.

While the Indian government could not replicate this, he argued that it should “reduce the gap between the China ecosystem and the Indian ecosystem”, through steep levies on imported smartphones and components.

But Neil Shah, an analyst at Counterpoint, said that Chinese companies have sharply increased their local assembly of phones in India. This now accounts for about 75 per cent of the handsets they sell in the country, he estimated — roughly the same as for the Indian brands, meaning that any crackdown on imports would hit the latter just as hard as their better-funded Chinese rivals.

“Actually the Indian brands would be shooting themselves in the feet,” he said.
 
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https://www.ft.com/content/6cb6405c-2276-11e7-8691-d5f7e0cd0a16

India’s phonemakers cry foul on Chinese rivals

Homegrown companies call for ‘antidumping’ duties as market share leaps towards 50%
The Jio LYF phone is an Indian handset in a market experiencing intense Chinese competition © Reuters
India’s smartphone makers are seeking government action after a dramatic loss of market share to deep-pocketed Chinese rivals, who have been taking the country’s mobile market by storm with aggressive pricing and marketing campaigns.

Homegrown companies such as Micromax and Intex had grown to dominate the Indian mobile market, building strong local brands while relying heavily on product designers and component suppliers in China.

But over the past year, Chinese smartphone makers such as Xiaomi, Lenovo and Oppo have launched an intense assault on India, where their market share grew to 46 per cent in the final quarter of 2016 from 14 per cent a year earlier, according to Counterpoint Research. Indian brands’ share fell from 54 per cent to 20 per cent during the same period.

“The government should be more supportive of their people,” Narendra Bansal, founder of Intex Technologies, the second-biggest Indian smartphone brand by sales, told the Financial Times. “Every child needs hand-holding by their parents.”

Mr Bansal called for “anti-dumping duties” on Chinese handsets, similar to those imposed on low-priced steel imports from the country. He argued that supplementary levies could be imposed even for handsets assembled by Chinese companies in India, to compensate for the financial support that those groups have received from Beijing.

Industry leaders have met government officials in recent weeks to outline their concerns, according to one person with direct knowledge of the talks.

Beyond pricing, executives are alarmed by the huge scale of an ongoing Chinese advertising drive: on billboards across the country, Bollywood heart-throb Deepika Padukone can be seen clutching an Oppo handset, while Indian cricket captain Virat Kohli gazes at a phone from Shenzhen-based Gionee.

The Chinese companies’ focus on India reflects the huge recent growth of its smartphone market. Last year, 109m smartphones were shipped in the country, according to IDC, well more than double the number three years before.

“Their spending is too high,” said Pradeep Jain, founder of Karbonn Mobile, which once ranked third in the Indian market but, like other local brands, has now dropped out of the top five. “The government should do something otherwise it’s a loss for industry, and a loss for the government also.”

The appeals from hardware companies come after the founders of ride-hailing app Ola and online marketplace Flipkart both called in recent months for government support in their respective battles with Uber and Amazon. Such demands have met with little response from a government that has been keen to improve India’s reputation as a destination for foreign investment.

“The China ecosystem historically came up because of a lot of subsidies and incentives from the Chinese government,” said Shubhajit Sen, chief marketing officer at Micromax, the biggest Indian phonemaker by sales.

While the Indian government could not replicate this, he argued that it should “reduce the gap between the China ecosystem and the Indian ecosystem”, through steep levies on imported smartphones and components.

But Neil Shah, an analyst at Counterpoint, said that Chinese companies have sharply increased their local assembly of phones in India. This now accounts for about 75 per cent of the handsets they sell in the country, he estimated — roughly the same as for the Indian brands, meaning that any crackdown on imports would hit the latter just as hard as their better-funded Chinese rivals.

“Actually the Indian brands would be shooting themselves in the feet,” he said.


Who are you @tw00tw00?

I am constantly dazzled by your attention to India. You have to be some Chinese analyst of India.
 
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even when the domestic phone makers had over 50% market share, they were essentially all Chinese but with their own rebranding````the difference is now those Chinese suppliers want to sell by themselves. India has no technology, no sophisticated supply chain, no comptent design and R&D houses, its bound to happen. We were in similar situation 20 years ago```
 
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In India is it common to cry to Modi when you can't beat Chinese phone makers. Is it really the fault that Indians love China phones more than crappy local Indian brand ?:partay:
Chinese phones to are as crapy as Indian brands,its just that they offer couple of features more than the Indian brands.and after service chinese brands live up to their name as there is none compared to other brands..
 
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Chinese phones to are as crapy as Indian brands,its just that they offer couple of features more than the Indian brands.and after service chinese brands live up to their name as there is none compared to other brands..

You get what you pay for.

Get a Huawei mate 9 or the pro version, it's good enough to compete with the best western phones.

The crappy ones you wrote about are bad because the profit margins on them are very low due to cheap price.
 
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And I do accept that I am an aspiring sinologist don't I?

Twotwo is not a Chinese , he can't even read hanzi, let alone Chinese

And don't flatter yourself by calling him Chinese analysts of India , he's not!
Just another troll, that's it.

And I do accept that I am an aspiring sinologist don't I?

Twotwo is not a Chinese , he can't even read hanzi, let alone Chinese

And don't flatter yourself by calling him Chinese analysts of India , he's not!
Just another troll, that's it.
 
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And I do accept that I am an aspiring sinologist don't I?

Self claiming to be one doesn't make you one. You do make Chinese members laugh though. You would make greater contribution to this forum by telling us more about the ground reality in India that your keyboard warrior compatriots try hard to whitewash or glorify. :enjoy:
 
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even when the domestic phone makers had over 50% market share, they were essentially all Chinese but with their own rebranding````the difference is now those Chinese suppliers want to sell by themselves. India has no technology, no sophisticated supply chain, no comptent design and R&D houses, its bound to happen. We were in similar situation 20 years ago```
we are not an electronics hub, it's no secret. Electronics industry needs a very high capital for set-up to achieve the scale required to have the market witness predatory pricing like we do from the Chinese companies
 
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we are not an electronics hub, it's no secret. Electronics industry needs a very high capital for set-up to achieve the scale required to have the market witness predatory pricing like we do from the Chinese companies

Pricing is only 'predatory' when you have domestic competitors that can produce equivalent products. But as you admitted earlier: India is "not an electronics hub, it's no secret".

Twotwo is not a Chinese , he can't even read hanzi, let alone Chinese

And don't flatter yourself by calling him Chinese analysts of India , he's not!
Just another troll, that's it.



Twotwo is not a Chinese , he can't even read hanzi, let alone Chinese

And don't flatter yourself by calling him Chinese analysts of India , he's not!
Just another troll, that's it.

I can read hanzi. I'm from Singapore, and we even use the same set of simplified Chinese characters used by the PRC!
 
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we are not an electronics hub, it's no secret. Electronics industry needs a very high capital for set-up to achieve the scale required to have the market witness predatory pricing like we do from the Chinese companies

When Chinese companies are vastly more competitive than Indian ones, then everything seems like "predatory pricing".

Anyway I've got a OnePlus 3T, if an Indian company can make a better phone for a lower price then people will buy it, regardless of nationality.

even when the domestic phone makers had over 50% market share, they were essentially all Chinese but with their own rebranding````

EXACTLY. All of India's "domestic" smartphone brands like Micromax, they were all selling rebranded Chinese mobiles they bought off-the-shelf from China. They didn't even assemble it themselves, they bought it already made.

So the Chinese companies are now cutting out the middleman (Indian companies) and selling direct to the customers. Otherwise it's basically the same thing as before.
 
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