India's own multi caliber rifle

[kurup]

in the pics i posted. the shadow of that rifle is different from the rifile shown

Yeah , that's right ........ the gun and it's shadow in that image are completely different .

 

[Perpendicular]

Really??Have you personally used and compared it to other rifles around the world or did it win some beauty contest like Ms Assault Rifle of the Universe or as such??

Personally i have never got close to a thing called gun.
But still i would give equal respect to a person who honestly expresses his or her views here regardless of the background.
I ain't no expert as i accepted already. But i wish to disagree with MCIWS as a future assault rifle for the IA soldier.

 

[Omega007]

cause they are more simpler and easier to oprate and mantain+ have more stopping power while rotating boalts have less kick and better accuracy but are more difficult/complex to mentain & clean i guess russian have recentli made a cross between two but again its very complex to make and mentain hence a piston driven gas oprated bull pup rifle with a bigger lenth barrel fits like a T in owr doctroine as owr soldiers have to oprate in urban and close quater battle secnario and conventional long range snipping roles at the same time mostli with same wepon system


well unlike you sir who had "experience with guns in NCC" i had in both NCC & real life

Now this is a real low.I knew you were a moron (a damn cute one at that),everyone does, but now this is getting really embarrassing you know??I mean now you are lying through your teeth,all that garbage you just wrote above,is a dead giveaway that you do not know shit about guns.So get yourself educated and stop embarrassing yourself.

Personally i have never got close to a thing called gun.
But still i would give equal respect to a person who honestly expresses his or her views here regardless of the background.
I ain't no expert as i accepted already. But i wish to disagree with MCIWS as a future assault rifle for the IA soldier.

Well,the Army does not agree to you either it seems.By the way,forget about this bullpup vs conventional shit for a sec and tell me how did you reach to your conclusion of the SAR 21 being the best assault rifle out there??

 

[Perpendicular]

Similarly as I don't agree with you on this.
Being why SAR 21 being the best, Well, that's again my personal opinion based on cosmetic looks.

Well,the Army does not agree to you either it seems.By the way,forget about this bullpup vs conventional shit for a sec and tell me how did you reach to your conclusion of the SAR 21 being the best assault rifle out there??

 

[Omega007]

Similarly as I don't agree with you on this.

What do you mean you do not agree with me?How do you know what design I'm in favor of,cause I never said I prefer any particular design over the other!!All I just said is that the higher ups in the Army do not like bull pups.

Being why SAR 21 being the best, Well, that's again my personal opinion based on cosmetic looks.

I see.But how can you like that thing??It looks so crude compared to the latest version of the Steyr AUG or TAR 21 Tavor!!

 

[hkdas]

russian have recentli made a cross between two but again its very complex to make and mentain

which weapon is that?? Ak-12??

Dude,you expended that 'thanks' for no reason at all.Trust me when I tell ya,the guy you are talking to has got no idea about the subject matter.Heck he can't even tell the butt end from the business end of a fire arm!!

bro, do you have any experience in using weapons??

 

[kirankumar299]

no its not Photoshop.. that pics is taken during Defense Expo.


taken in 2014.

no... its not fake.

Nice photoshop.....but could not edit the shadows.
May be this is how the bullup version might look.....remove the hand grip and shorten the barrel....we can get a good idea of exactly how it looks. I think DRDO should consider this.

 

[Omega007]

bro, do you have any experience in using weapons??

Yep,4 types (calibers) of rifles at that.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

no... its not fake.

It's beyond fake.

 

[hkdas]

It's beyond fake.

yes.. i understand that.

Nice photoshop.....but could not edit the shadows.
May be this is how the bullup version might look.....remove the hand grip and shorten the barrel....we can get a good idea of exactly how it looks. I think DRDO should consider this.

did army cask for Bullup rifles??

Yep,4 types (calibers) of rifles at that.

are you an ex-service man??
if you know about rifles, i would like to ask a question.
FN SCAR and H&K 416, which one is better for Indian condition?? indian navy marcos tested H&K 416. but now it seems they rejected it. and now some videos in FB shows that SFF-SG is using FN SCAR, (SG is the tier 1 SF in india, most of the equipment in army SF are introduced only after field tested by SG) so what you think, if FN SCAR passes the test which H&K 416 failed??

 

[Omega007]

are you an ex-service man??

No,NCC.

if you know about rifles, i would like to ask a question.
FN SCAR and H&K 416, which one is better for Indian condition?? indian navy marcos tested H&K 416. but now it seems they rejected it. and now some videos in FB shows that SFF-SG is using FN SCAR, (SG is the tier 1 SF in india, most of the equipment in army SF are introduced only after field tested by SG) so what you think, if FN SCAR passes the test which H&K 416 failed??

Hard to tell to be honest since I never used those models.But according to the info available on the net,their internal mechanism is the same - short stroke piston with rotating bolt in a conventional layout.And besides,without knowing which versions were tested,it's rather hard to pass a judgement.

 

[hkdas]

@Omega007 ,

video of LMG variant of INSAS fire in Fully auto mode seems to have very less recoil than the the JVC. what you think about that?? a sub mechine gun have more recoil than an LMG??
during your time in NCC you should have fired the INSAS rifle, can you tell me more about the recoil and accuracy of insas compared to AK?

 

[Perpendicular]

What do you mean you do not agree with me?How do you know what design I'm in favor of,cause I never said I prefer any particular design over the other!!All I just said is that the higher ups in the Army do not like bull pups.

It seems that you are of the view that this multi caliber weapon is good enough, which I disagree.

I see.But how can you like that thing??It looks so crude compared to the latest version of the Steyr AUG or TAR 21 Tavor!!

It doesn't look as refined as the others, may be. It's a less known thing in the world of Tavors and Steyrs.
The fact is if a tiny nation of Singapore can come up with such (best on the planet ) rifle than there is something wrong somewhere in India.

 

[Omega007]

It seems that you are of the view that this multi caliber weapon is good enough, which I disagree.

Well,that's your opinion,each to his own I guess.

It doesn't look as refined as the others, may be. It's a less known thing in the world of Tavors and Steyrs.
The fact is if a tiny nation of Singapore can come up with such (best on the planet ) rifle than there is something wrong somewhere in India.

There is nothing wrong in India as far as this thing is concerned.The had come up with a bullpup version of INSAS way back in the 90s and another,multi caliber one a few years ago.Guess what............both of them got rejected without any user evaluation.That should be enough indication to find out Army's intention wrt their choice of rifle design.And bullpup is nothing special or out of this world..........well may to the fanboys.But to the real pros,it isn't really an issue.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Now this is a real low.I knew you were a moron (a damn cute one at that),everyone does but now this is getting really embarrassing you know.I mean now you are lying through your teeth,all that garbage you just wrote above,is a dead giveaway that you do not know shit about guns.So get yourself educated and stop embarrassing yourself.



Well,the Army does not agree to you either it seems.By the way,forget about this bullpup vs conventional shit for a sec and tell me how did you reach to your conclusion of the SAR 21 being the best assault rifle out there??

can you Sir explain a" moron" like me as to why you think im a "moron"

please also care to tell me how can you say i had no experience with guns and whatever i had said is "garbage" please shed some light on that "your awesomeness"

what owr defnce forces need is a single cal &simple yet powerfull gas/piston oprated bull pup assult rifle with at least 18" barrel made of a modular polymor body that has a easy charging handle like that on tevor with 4 picca tenni rails on 12,3,6 &9 O' clock positions with a special empasis of easier cleaning and maintanence