India’s INS Arihant will force China to Complete Pakistan Nuclear Triad: Aussie Media

[$@rJen]

It would be surprising if someday we find out that the SLCM version has a range of around 1900-2000 KM.

from 800km to 2000km???? last i hear they're trying to increase the range to 1300-1500...

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Thanks

yes it can be put in agosta and the New chinese Subs... but the real problem is its an SLCM with limited range and limited in weapon package...

without a SLBM with good range upto 3500km Pakistan's deterrence won't be credible

india itself has only a limited ranged ballistic SLBM to equip Arihant...

from 800km to 2000km???? last i hear they're trying to increase the range to 1300-1500...

Where did you hear that?? I read DESTO .. Claiming a range of 1900KM.

 

[mkb95]

Ask the forum management about people leaking secret info on this forum in the past and the consequences

any details?

 

[$@rJen]

india itself has only a limited ranged ballistic SLBM to equip Arihant...

Arihant is only a tech demonstrator.... and so do k-15.... K-15 would be only installed in Arihant to demonstration purposes the real deal is K-4 with 3500 km range which has only one test to be done next month or end of this month

Where did you hear that?? I read DESTO .. Claiming a range of 1900KM.

can you qoute me the link??

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

any details?

Somebody foolishly leaked info on FT/HQ SAMs.

Another idiot had revealed info on Nuke armed Subs (with some specs) couple of years back too.


The forum has changed a lot after that..

Most of the former members still post on PDFs sister forum (where you can't register).. Strictly proffessional -- lots of credible info there... Oplot M tests (with pics),etc were also revealed from there.

 

[Stag112]

Yes, the Babur is a SLCM.

It was tested though kept a secret. The Americans thought we had modified one of their harpoons. There are strong rumors that it's already in service with the Agosta-90b.

How could the americans have gotten confused when they have not sold you the submarine launched harpoon in the first place?

 

[T-72M1]

You will not even find a govt source confirming the existence of an SLCM project... Just like other missiles...

Yet the canisterised Babur CM,dozen other local and international sources & establishment of SNFC all point towards it.

we'll believe it when we see it.

calling Zarvan's statement a bluff for now.

 

[navtrek]

Paks Strategic Naval Force Command -- established 2012.
Naval Strategic Forces Command (Pakistan) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
NAVAL CHIEF INAUGURATES NAVAL STRATEGIC FORCE HEADQUARTERS

Do you think a Professional PN officer will reveal about Paks strategic projects on a forum .. coz of some indian trolls?
Ask the forum management about people leaking secret info on this forum in the past and the consequences.

DESERT FIGHTER ji i was loling at how he called us enemies. lol Its just my view i don't consider Pakistanis as my enemies.

Being a military professional he should be professional at least in the language used in the response.

 

[Indika]

SOURCE: Aakar Patel / FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG

The Sydney Morning Herald (SMH) a daily published in Sydney said in a report that while India’s 6000-tonne Arihant Nuclear submarine is all set for Induction into Indian Navy which will push India into Elite Countries who posses Nuclear Blastic missile Submarine clearly aimed at Countering China’s growing influence in Indian ocean Region, Bejing will be forced to respond to India’s New Submarine by adding Pakistan submarine program .

Arihant Nuclear submarine deployment would complete India’s nuclear triad, allowing it to deliver atomic weapons from land, sea and air. Only the US and Russia are considered full-fledged nuclear triad powers now, with China and India’s capabilities still largely untested.

While Both India and China espouse a no-first-use policy on nuclear arms but Arihant will also act as a deterrence against an outbreak of war by discouraging enemies from attacking. Ballistic-missile submarines are considered to have played such a deterrent role in the Cold War.

Pakistan for long has been trying to acquire weapons systems which will allow it to establish second strike capability against arch rivals India. It’s known fact that Pakistan can ill afford Nuclear submarines in its arsenal but China might provide its assistance in providing Conventional under sea capabilities which can deliver nuclear warheads.

Pakistan with China has finalized its long-negotiated Conventional submarine deal which likely can be armed with Cruise missiles which capable of carrying tactical nuclear weapons, thus completing Pakistan Nuclear Triad.

Export version of the Type 039A, the S20, is believed to be air-independent propulsion (AIP) capable submarine and should the Pakistanis opt for this capability it would give them greater operational flexibility through increased endurance. Pakistan is developing its Babur Cruise missile into a Submarine launched Cruise missile variant which will allow it to hit targets inside India with Nuclear weapons.

Great , We will soon have a "Hunt for the Green October" running in our neighbor hood. Even with AIP it has to come to surface once in 20 days or so , given the less number(12 ?) of pak subs will the navy able to track and bust them?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Great , We will soon have a "Hunt for the Green October" running in our neighbor hood. Even with AIP it has to come to surface once in 20 days or so , given the less number(12 ?) of pak subs will the navy able to track and bust them?

25-30+ days... Every sub including SSN has to surface .. Nuke powered subs (to resupply etc) are also more noisy and easy to track.

How could the americans have gotten confused when they have not sold you the submarine launched harpoon in the first place?

They accused Pak of modifying harpoons

 

[Stag112]

They accused Pak of modifying harpoons

I got that part.

A) The poster I quoted implied Pakistan tested a submarine launched CM.

B) The Americans thought it was a harpoon modified for land attack. The accusation did not say it was a harpoon that was modified for land attack AND submarine launch (coz you do not have submarine launched harpoons).

Now there is obvious flaw in what that poster implied in A and what is reported in B. So his claim that the harpoon accusation incident points towards an submarine launched CM that Pakistan possesses sounds bogus.

 

[Tipu7]

25-30+ days... Every sub including SSN has to surface .. Nuke powered subs (to resupply etc) are also more noisy and easy to track.



They accused Pak of modifying harpoons

Bro
Pakistan navy was interested in Type41 sub from start...... they demanded a practical demonstrations from Chinese to showcase its stealth capabilities under water. Chinese responded by sending one type 41 from their shores to our shores while travelling right below Indian navy, avoiding every sort of surveillance, even their P8 were unable to track it.......
When the sub reached our shores, it was a confirmed deal.......it was happy day for China Pak, but worrying day for Indians who were shocked and were in aww......they did some media stunt later.....by saying that they actually tracked the sub etc etc but it was all statements to cover up own embarrassment....nothing else....... that time it was done that Pakistan will buy eight export versions of this Sub called S20...... These Subs are meant for Second strike capability...... we will integrate our AIP systems, we will update the torpedo tubes in order to facilitate the launch of Torpedo launched Babur version.......
Pakistan..... Instead of getting Nuclear powered submarine with vertical launch ballistic tubes, is more interested in diesel electric subs with Torpedo launched nuclear cruise missile........
It offers us many advantages....... First Diesel electric subs are more stealthy compared to nuclear powered ones, second AIP allow conventional subs to stay under water just like Nuclear sub for long duration of times. Thirdly, using Torpedo tubes is very cost effective as you don't have to waste bundles of money on Vertical launch mechanism...
Fourthly, being cruise missile, BaburN has ability to bypass all defenses, maneuver it's path, can change its trajectory, and instead of touching high atmosphere like ballistic missile, travels below the range of radar at terrain hugging altitude..... which make it much difficult to track and being shot down. All we need more range, Babur N is likely to have twice much range as Surface version.
Lastly, cruise missile occupy much less space compared to sea launched ballistic missiles (compare sizes of K4 and Babur)........


As per status of this missile....... well expect more tests of "modified harpoon",
"Harpoon" being fired from Torpedo tubes of Agusta90......

Aage khud smjhdar ho bhai .....

 

[Osiris]

All these Pakistani fanboi's with this harpoon non sense story, which has been debunked so many times before.

Fact 1
In 2009 American's accused Pakistan of modifying Ship launched anti ship cruise missile supplied by US to Pakistan to target land targets.

Fact 2
Pakistan denied this allegation.

Myth 1
Pakistani fanbois present this American allegation and subsequent Pakistani denial, as a proof, that a submarine launched version of Babur/Harpoon was tested.

Fact 3
American never supplied Pakistan Submarine launched version of harpoon. i.e UGM -84

UGM -84 and RGM-84 are missiles of different size , weight and length.

Myth 2
Based on American allegation of modified Harpoons, Pakistani fanbois assume, that American must have arrived at their conclusion , because of some top secret missile test conducted by Pakistan.

Fact 4

There is no way in this supposed " top secret missile test conducted by Pakistan"

Can a submarine launched land attack missile be mistaken for Harpoon.

Because Pakistan never got submarine launched harpoon missiles.

 

[Tipu7]

You are most welcome to believe what makes you happy

All these Pakistani fanboi's with this harpoon non sense story, which has been debunked so many times before.

Fact 1
In 2009 American's accused Pakistan of modifying Ship launched anti ship cruise missile supplied by US to Pakistan to target land targets.

Fact 2
Pakistan denied this allegation.

Myth 1
Pakistani fanbois present this American allegation and subsequent Pakistani denial, as a proof, that a submarine launched version of Babur/Harpoon was tested.

Fact 3
American never supplied Pakistan Submarine launched version of harpoon. i.e UGM -84

UGM -84 and RGM-84 are missiles of different size , weight and length.

Myth 2
Based on American allegation of modified Harpoons, Pakistani fanbois assume, that American must have arrived at their conclusion , because of some top secret missile test conducted by Pakistan.

Fact 4

There is no way in this supposed " top secret missile test conducted by Pakistan"

Can a submarine launched land attack missile be mistaken for Harpoon.

Because Pakistan never got submarine launched harpoon missiles.

 

[cloud4000]

Although 8 Submarines we are going to buy from China are enough to carry out nuclear strike. Still sooner or later we would go for nuclear submarines either directly from China or build in Pakistan by Chinese help.

I always thought Pakistan would acquire ballistic nuclear submarines regardless what India did as part of its full spectrum nuclear deterrence.