India's Future Infantry Combat Vehicle

[angeldemon_007]

So nobody knows what is the progress in this field.

 

[JonAsad]

i like this one, is it amphibious?

 

[angeldemon_007]

I think India might get BAE system ICV for this because Mahindra has a tie up with them and BAE will definitely try to sell their weapons via Mahindra.

i like this one, is it amphibious?

I think this is the one shown in the pic.

I have searched on the web, i don't think it has amphibious features.

Also, I am attaching a copy of a Armored vehicle which is the product of Mahindra-BAE JV.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

I think India might get BAE system ICV for this because Mahindra has a tie up with them and BAE will definitely try to sell their weapons via Mahindra.


Also, I am attaching a copy of a Armored vehicle which is the product of Mahindra-BAE JV.

About this vehicle, its a MPV (Mine Protected Vehicle) not an ICV. The RR use similar vehicles which are made by the OFB.

 

[angeldemon_007]

About this vehicle, its a MPV (Mine Protected Vehicle) not an ICV. The RR use similar vehicles which are made by the OFB.

I know this, i never said its an ICV i just used the word armoured vehicle but i should have used MPV.

I know OFB MPV is used by IA, I just showed that Mahindra MPV because it really looks like a world class product.

The OFB MPV

 

[sancho]

i like this one, is it amphibious?

No at least not the prototypes and so far no country shows interest in co-developing it. Which is sad!

I think this is the one shown in the pic.

The Alligator was the latest prototype based on the SEP, less sophisticated (at least for their aims) and therefor cheaper. Also you have to differ here, the SEP/alligator are proposed by BAE, but were developed from Swedish Hägglunds (which now is BAE systems) that also developed the CV90. So if they want to offer something, they actually can propose the Warrior, the CV90 (my favourite) and the SEP as a co-development, but IA might go for lighter and cheaper Russian versions.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

I know this, i never said its an ICV i just used the word armoured vehicle but i should have used MPV.

I know OFB MPV is used by IA, I just showed that Mahindra MPV because it really looks like a world class product.

The OFB MPV

Never mind the terminology, it does not damage our discussion in any way. Don't worry about that.

Come to think about it, the OFB MPV is no less 'world-class'. It is an analogue of the 'Buffalo' MPV from South Africa. The Buffalo is a tried and tested design, was used extensively in Namibia and Mozambique during the military insurgencies and had a high survivability.

p.s. The BAE/Mahindra MPV has a rather peculiar design element. The long 'snout' or nose that houses the engine. On such a high vehicle, for a driver/commander its likely to affect visibility. i don't like it.

 

[angeldemon_007]

Also you have to differ here, the SEP/alligator are proposed by BAE, but were developed from Swedish Hägglunds (which now is BAE systems) that also developed the CV90. So if they want to offer something, they actually can propose the Warrior, the CV90 (my favourite) and the SEP as a co-development, but IA might go for lighter and cheaper Russian versions.

I hope IA don't go Russian product this time. Yeah warrior is better, i posted the video. I also heard OFB is about to join hands with Russian export controller, Rosonboronexport.
If Russian design is better than this then its fine but right now all they have is BMP3 which i don't think would help us. The only thing that might favor companies like BAE is that IA is now looking for everything to be network-centric, where western companies might win but still we cannot under-estimate Russians.
Right now Russians are also rethinking about their technology. Except aerospace, rest of the defense products have the impression of same old cold war era products. There was a report that Russians will also now start spending on western products so as to maintain the level of their army.

It would be really funny, if Russians will sell their BMP3 to our army and for their army they purchase BAE ICV.

Come to think about it, the OFB MPV is no less 'world-class'. It is an analogue of the 'Buffalo' MPV from South Africa. The Buffalo is a tried and tested design, was used extensively in Namibia and Mozambique during the military insurgencies and had a high survivability.

You are right, its also a world class product but still I like that Mahindra MPV more than OFB one.

 

[angeldemon_007]

Althoufh off-topic but still

US-India deal to develop combat vehicle: Report
October 13, 2009

Setting a precedent in the growing Indo-US defense and military relationship, India has signed up to partner with the US on the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle (JLTV) program according to US defense website DoDBUZZ.

The report says Kevin Fahey, program executive officer for ground combat systems, announced that India ‘signing of a letter of intent to participate in the next phase of the program’.

This is the first time that India is partnering with the US in the joint development of military hardware. Australia is already a partner in the program. According to the report, both countries will have the benefit of ‘lower costs’, if they ‘stick with it’. The JLTV is meant to replace the existing High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle (HMMWV), better known as the Humvee, and is designed for an armored combat and scout role.
Significantly, at the moment the armies of both countries are conducting an exercise ‘Yudh Abhyas (War Exercise) 09′ at Babina near Jhansi in India. The US deployment includes 17 Stryker vehicles. According to the Indian Army, the exercise will focus on Counter Insurgency (COIN) and Counter Terrorism operations in a semi-urban scenario. Presumably, the Indian Army will also be scoping out the Strykers as well as possibly, the Javelin anti-tank guided missile.

Anything happened in this deal or this deal was a hoax ??/

 

[angeldemon_007]

The deal that i mentioned above is the US cost effective replacement for Hummer while FICV is meant to replace our BMP2 and its comparable to US Stryker.

We are looking towards the Mahindra's Axe and all as a role performed in US forces by Humvee.

The Joint Light Tactical Vehicle (JLTV) is a U.S. Army, USSOCOM, and U.S. Marine Corps program to replace the current HMMWV[1] with a family of more survivable vehicles and greater payload. In particular, the HMMWV was not designed to be an armored combat and scout vehicle but has been employed as one, whereas the JLTV will be designed from the ground up for this role.

US army themselves think Humvee is not that safe for tactical mission hense they are going for JLTV.

I hope India should also look towards smaller private player like Shri Lakshmi Def. because sometimes smaller companies can provide better products than bigger giants.

I hope we opt for Viper over Mahindra's Markmen. US is going for JLTV, India should go for its Indian version. Just look at the similarities :

US JLTV

Shri Laksmi Viper

I hope MOD does not act like bunch of old age politicians and beurocrats who just wants money. If IA really need something like Humvee, then we should go for Viper rather than get something from abroad or get some poor product from IOF to support them or take some bribe and give away the project to our Domestic Auto giants like Mahindra, Tata etc.

 

[angeldemon_007]

Mahindra Marksmen :

Mahindra axe

But its not safe for soldier in gun fire but can be used for special operations by our special forces.
Tata

In my opinion, none of these stands against Shri Lakshmi Viper....

 

[angeldemon_007]

Russia's BMP3 model

 

[Kinetic]

The deal that i mentioned above is the US cost effective replacement for Hummer while FICV is meant to replace our BMP2 and its comparable to US Stryker.

We are looking towards the Mahindra's Axe and all as a role performed in US forces by Humvee.



US army themselves think Humvee is not that safe for tactical mission hense they are going for JLTV.

I hope India should also look towards smaller private player like Shri Lakshmi Def. because sometimes smaller companies can provide better products than bigger giants.

I hope we opt for Viper over Mahindra's Markmen. US is going for JLTV, India should go for its Indian version. Just look at the similarities :


Shri Laksmi Viper

I hope MOD does not act like bunch of old age politicians and beurocrats who just wants money. If IA really need something like Humvee, then we should go for Viper rather than get something from abroad or get some poor product from IOF to support them or take some bribe and give away the project to our Domestic Auto giants like Mahindra, Tata etc.

This one is super cool!!! Think you are driving one one of these.... IA should go for it and if some modifications required should be done in cooperation with OFB, BEML etc.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_o_no4M2xEPY/Ss9sVYD1ebI/AAAAAAAAISU/LO7TEyzpnc8/s1600-h/1.jpg

 

[angeldemon_007]

This one is super cool!!! Think you are driving one one of these.... IA should go for it and if some modifications required should be done in cooperation with OFB, BEML etc.

Yes thats what i was saying we should go for Viper. But it would be selected only if Shri Lakshmi people are willing to pay bribe to our MOD people otherwise those ugly Mahindra Marksmen or Tata group product would be selected.

Just look at the interior of Viper, it looks like a Western product equipped with state of the art C4ISR features.

I am sorry, the first 2 pics that i said to be that of Viper is actually of Dhruv executive of Shri Lakshmi def. but i think both of them are sexy. My vote goes to Viper...

IA should go for it and if some modifications required should be done in cooperation with OFB, BEML etc.

I think if in the current condition it does not fit IA requirement then MOD should give some money to the company to make necessary changes to fit IA requirements. This company is not that big like Tataa and Mahindras and so MOD should be careful in utilizing there expertise. Small companies need order to survive but unfortunately they are not receiving one.

 

[angeldemon_007]

Sorry off-topic again, but need to be seen :

Shri Lakshmi Defence Solutions Ltd. Wins INR 4 Billion to 5 Billion Contract
02/18/2010
Shri Lakshmi Defence Solutions Ltd. has signed an agreement with the State Foreign Trade and Investment firm of Ukraine to manufacture and market 100 armoured personnel carrier required by the Indian Army for the United Nations. The value of the contract is estimated at INR 4 billion to 5 billion. The company announced that it has also signed a Memorandum of Understanding with Adcom Military Industries of Abu Dhabi for supplying 100-to-300 high tech armoured vehicles in the Middle East and South Africa.

Now, can't MOD directly give this order to Shri Laksmi Def. Ltd. but no, they wanted to give it to Ukrainians. Similar is the case of Pipavav shipyards who will built 4 destroyers for India but they won't receive the order directly.