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India’s Cash Crunch Starts to Choke the Food Supply Chain

If demonetisation is the right way to fight corruption, India should repeat the feat every 3 or 5 years. :enjoy:

Not a bad idea but what if corrupt will find other ways like parking in gold and real estate instead of keeping cash. You have find multi prong approach to tackle this menace.
 
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Maybe I have been unfair toward Indians. Maybe Indians don't always talk, talk, and talk. But on the rare occasion when Indians do take action, things end disastrously... The lesson is simple: Indians should just go back to talking endlessly because they are not competent enough to handle anything else.


http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/...crunch-starts-to-choke-the-food-supply-chain/

India’s Cash Crunch Starts to Choke the Food Supply Chain
At a Delhi wholesale produce market, business is running on IOUs; some farmers have already thrown crops out because of weak sales

By Raymond Zhong and Krishna Pokharel
Nov 16, 2016 11:55 am IST

India is learning the hard way just how much it runs on paper currency.

Ever since the government declared 500- and 1,000-rupee notes null and void for regular transactions last week, Madan, who goes by one name, said business at his tiny store in Delhi’s old district selling knockoff Puma sweaters had collapsed to a level not seen since a terror attack in the city five years ago.

With so few people taking rides on his cycle rickshaw, Rajendra Ram has had to scrimp and borrow just to stay fed. He has mostly gotten by on tiny cups of sweet tea.

Anil Kumar sells balloons on the street, 10 rupees for two. Sales have cratered. Few people have extra small bills, and as a result neither does Mr. Kumar, for making change. On a recent afternoon, he found himself with just 30 rupees, or around $0.45, in his pocket.

“It makes no difference to the rich, who can get all their money changed with a phone call,” Mr. Kumar said of the currency recall. “It’s only the poor like us who suffer.”

Prime Minister Narendra Modi has urged regular folks to accept a dose of hardship for the chance to punish tax cheats and government officials fattened by bribes.

But at Delhi’s Azadpur wholesale produce market, many traders and farmers said they felt unsure how much more hardship they could bear. All of the city’s fruits and vegetables transit through the market before reaching grocery stores and restaurants, and much of the frenzied buying and selling that allows that to happen was occurring on the basis of uneasy IOUs.

The pushcart vendors who buy from Jitender Prasad Singh, a pumpkin trader, are running low on cash. His sales have plunged 50%.

As workers in the market weighed vegetables and negotiated prices, Ashok Verma, who helps growers sell their produce to traders, sat and read a newspaper. That is a sign, he said, of how slow business has been.

He estimates he has given out hundreds of thousands of rupees in credit to buyers. How long that can be sustained? “There’s no guarantee at all,” Mr. Verma said.

“Humans have been known to be very creative with abstract notions like money,” Credit Suisse strategist Neelkanth Mishra wrote in the Indian Express newspaper on Wednesday.

Karamath, a 36-year-old trucker, left southern India with 21 tons of coconuts on the evening that Mr. Modi announced the cash replacement last week. He had 35,000 rupees in large bills with him—all suddenly invalid—for fuel, food and paying fines or bribes to police.

He managed to sell off some of his 500-rupee notes at a discount. After hours of delays at state toll booths that were scrambling to find change, he reached Delhi a day behind schedule and was feeling unsure when, and how, he’d get paid.

Farmer Yasin Alli was sitting in Azadpur next to a heap of turnips that he’d brought from his fields northwest of the city. He wrote off 10 acres of spring onions and radishes this week because of poor sales, he said, and his financial prospects are bleak. If his turnip and spinach sales don’t pick up—he has already slashed prices—then he might plow under the rest of the spinach crop before it is ready for harvest so he can start planting the next season’s wheat.

Muni Ram, a 60-year-old street vendor, walked by and asked for 10 kilograms of turnips. He drew an old 500-rupee bill from his breast pocket and pleaded. “Who else will take this, brother?”

Mr. Alli was unmoved. “You want the goods? Pay me.”

Mr. Ram said he would come back the next day and buy 20 kilograms of turnips—provided he could pay his entire bill then. Mr. Alli grudgingly agreed.

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India's growth rate is higher than China....by talk talk talk.....good.. we will continue talk talk talk then

If demonetisation is the right way to fight corruption, India should repeat the feat every 3 or 5 years. :enjoy:
Thank for bad ideas
 
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glad to see the chinese and pakistani ppl so sympathetic to indian ppl. i wonder why the warlike situation we have with these countries. they should b our allies.
 
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Heh...does your PM speak using another part of his anatomy, perhaps some thing south of his mid section, to convey commie policies to your people?

Is speaking from anatomy south of mid section some thing Mao taught to your politicians?
So every year 700 thousand Indians come to China to study communism?
 
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It's a surprise that a billionaire can spend $100M on a wedding?

He had legal business as well as illegal business. And he made money through both.

Nobody denies he has black money, he himself doesn't deny that and he's been in jail for years for that. It's just that he's so stupidly rich that his white money itself is enough for the wedding.

Lol
http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/jagan-mohan-reddy-is-worth-rs-1697335-crore-tdp/959816/

His assets alone are more than the old notes circulation in India.
So how do you know which money he is using for the wedding? Black or White? Even if it's white, how the heck is he able to convert millions into the new currency without drawing a flak? Do you know your countrymen are queuing up to change 2000RS, he has millions already? You still won't accept that there is a remote possibility that the top BJP guns know about it already? Are you guys really soooo naive that you believe Modi is so saintly?

You mean to tell me after being imprisoned, his money is still intact? How the heck does a government officer accumulate millions of USD other than corruption. In China, we actually confiscate black money once caught.

Regardless of the stupidity of your assertions, the fact is the 2000 rupee note is meant as a temporary measure, will be printed in minimal amounts and will again be demonetized.
First, some expert indian accountant says it to prevent double dipping, then I made a argument that if it was true, then the RS500 would still have the same problem. No one answered me until now.

Lol. Then why have all the big lines disappeared from banks?

Commoners do have the change. Even if every single person in the country pulls out a 2000 rupee note, there is enough liquidity in the system to get every person change for that amount. The effect of no change in localized areas is extremely temporary and restricted only to the individual or a few individuals that he interacts with.
Wow dissapeared? Like magic?
http://millenniumpost.in/NewsContent.aspx?NID=333864, this is today's news btw. You guys are smoking some pretty strong stuff.

I bet those poor farmers have change for 2000RS. LOL.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/delhi...ng-no-money/story-uI6cyOWkKe2DxyiYqQ3AFO.html


What about the thousands of farmers that commit suicide every year?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...rst-3-months-of-2016/articleshow/52002524.cms
Days after attributing the record number of farmer suicides in 2015 to poor disbursement of credit, which left them at the mercy of usurious money lenders, the Centre on Tuesday shared with Parliament grim statistics highlighting how the situation remains unchanged in 2016, with as many as 116 suicides during the first three months.

Get off your fake high horse. Modi did the demonetization to make credit disbursement easier. Otoh, your Chinese economy is still living on stimulus. Even your country will do better with demonetization.
You already know thousands of farmers commit suicide due to your incompetent government and now you want more to commit suicide due to another incompetent scheme? I do agree we have stimulus, what does stimulus got to do with demonetization? Most of our population already pay taxes, and we have the death penalty for corruption, and unlike India, after the execution, we confiscate the money for the state.

If you mean making your fruit sellers sell cheaper due to rotting fruits since they is not enough money for customers to buy the fruits, then yes, you achieved a marvelous result.

We are in a period of jobless growth.
http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/economic-survey-india-unemployment-2775236/

The fact is the poorest of the poor do not have debit cards, while the ones in the middle and higher do. So the govt is encouraging the people to pay via non-cash transactions like cheques and debit cards. Most of these people have the facilities, they do not want to use it because they want to hoard black money.

Everybody who can see the big picture see a much brighter future than before. Easy credit, single taxation system and better creation of jobs are in the offing from the next year. The enhanced fiber network that was built by Reliance Jio will usher India into a new era of digitzation. That's where we are headed. And it looks really good. So people are putting up with a little bit of a hassle when it comes to getting a bit of spending cash and lack of change which will last only a few days.

So what Modi has done is picked up the snow globe called India and given it a vigorous shake to invigorate it. He is basically risking his political career and the future of the party for the good of the country, even your CCP can't do that.
Imagine this, your farmers earn so little, the debit card cost more to print than his daily wage. CCP can't do what? Last I heard, your pathetic country is so much more corrupted than China.
 
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It's a surprise that a billionaire can spend $100M on a wedding?

He had legal business as well as illegal business. And he made money through both.

Nobody denies he has black money, he himself doesn't deny that and he's been in jail for years for that. It's just that he's so stupidly rich that his white money itself is enough for the wedding.

Lol
http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/jagan-mohan-reddy-is-worth-rs-1697335-crore-tdp/959816/

His assets alone are more than the old notes circulation in India.



Regardless of the stupidity of your assertions, the fact is the 2000 rupee note is meant as a temporary measure, will be printed in minimal amounts and will again be demonetized.



Lol. Then why have all the big lines disappeared from banks?

Commoners do have the change. Even if every single person in the country pulls out a 2000 rupee note, there is enough liquidity in the system to get every person change for that amount. The effect of no change in localized areas is extremely temporary and restricted only to the individual or a few individuals that he interacts with.



What about the thousands of farmers that commit suicide every year?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...rst-3-months-of-2016/articleshow/52002524.cms
Days after attributing the record number of farmer suicides in 2015 to poor disbursement of credit, which left them at the mercy of usurious money lenders, the Centre on Tuesday shared with Parliament grim statistics highlighting how the situation remains unchanged in 2016, with as many as 116 suicides during the first three months.

Get off your fake high horse. Modi did the demonetization to make credit disbursement easier. Otoh, your Chinese economy is still living on stimulus. Even your country will do better with demonetization.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors...terest-rates-and-also-inflation/#a2483c52edf9

We are in a period of jobless growth.
http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/economic-survey-india-unemployment-2775236/

The fact is the poorest of the poor do not have debit cards, while the ones in the middle and higher do. So the govt is encouraging the people to pay via non-cash transactions like cheques and debit cards. Most of these people have the facilities, they do not want to use it because they want to hoard black money.

Everybody who can see the big picture see a much brighter future than before. Easy credit, single taxation system and better creation of jobs are in the offing from the next year. The enhanced fiber network that was built by Reliance Jio will usher India into a new era of digitzation. That's where we are headed. And it looks really good. So people are putting up with a little bit of a hassle when it comes to getting a bit of spending cash and lack of change which will last only a few days.

So what Modi has done is picked up the snow globe called India and given it a vigorous shake to invigorate it. He is basically risking his political career and the future of the party for the good of the country, even your CCP can't do that.
Give me a reason why a billionaire cannot spend 10℅ of his wealth fir wedding? Obviously in India you make the bride side pay for everything from dowry to all wedding expenses .
Indians are not that wealthy . Most just get by fir one meal per day

lmao....RSSers still have the mood to troll having such huge railway accident.....
Cold people, ignorant of reality
118 deaths. Hope Japan can save them.

:D
 
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So how do you know which money he is using for the wedding? Black or White? Even if it's white, how the heck is he able to convert millions into the new currency without drawing a flak? Do you know your countrymen are queuing up to change 2000RS, he has millions already? You still won't accept that there is a remote possibility that the top BJP guns know about it already? Are you guys really soooo naive that you believe Modi is so saintly?

What do you mean flak? This guy is from the opposition. He is against Modi.

You mean to tell me after being imprisoned, his money is still intact? How the heck does a government officer accumulate millions of USD other than corruption. In China, we actually confiscate black money once caught.

He ran illegal mining operations. But he still declared huge sums of money to the govt which is all white. The govt can't touch his white money.

First, some expert indian accountant says it to prevent double dipping, then I made a argument that if it was true, then the RS500 would still have the same problem. No one answered me until now.

That was a silly argument. The notes being deposited are being marked and sent to RBI. There's no point double dipping when all you are allowed to withdraw for now is 24k, peanuts. At the end of 8 weeks is less than 2 lakhs.

Wow dissapeared? Like magic?
http://millenniumpost.in/NewsContent.aspx?NID=333864, this is today's news btw. You guys are smoking some pretty strong stuff.

I bet those poor farmers have change for 2000RS. LOL.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/delhi...ng-no-money/story-uI6cyOWkKe2DxyiYqQ3AFO.html

Ever heard of planted news? ATMs are releasing 1 2k note and 5 100 notes. Or 4 500 notes and 5 100 notes.

That 2k release was only for 2 days, before the ATMs were recalibrated.

You already know thousands of farmers commit suicide due to your incompetent government and now you want more to commit suicide due to another incompetent scheme? I do agree we have stimulus, what does stimulus got to do with demonetization? Most of our population already pay taxes, and we have the death penalty for corruption, and unlike India, after the execution, we confiscate the money for the state.

Farmers commit suicide because they don't know mathematics. They take money from illegal lenders at 3+% interest per month. The move being done now is to give farmers proper credit. A lot of farmers are under illegal lenders, at least 30% of them, so a few thousand killing themselves is not unheard of, especially when India was under a major drought for the last 2 years.

Ain't nothing special in China.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/09/w...icide-is-ultimate-protest.html?pagewanted=all

If you mean making your fruit sellers sell cheaper due to rotting fruits since they is not enough money for customers to buy the fruits, then yes, you achieved a marvelous result.

Nothing special. A lot of produce is thrown away even when currency is available. This is called yellow journalism.

Imagine this, your farmers earn so little, the debit card cost more to print than his daily wage.

The farmers still contribute to 14% of the GDP.

Last I heard, your pathetic country is so much more corrupted than China.

So? There are less corrupt countries around the world which are doing far worse.

CCP can't do what?

Risk its very existence for the greater good.
 
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Sometimes I wonder If they are using their brains, or they simply choose to worship Modi and ignore reality. The highest denomination was 1000 Rupee and now he just introduce the 2000 Rupee, people actually reduce the higher denomination notes to prevent black money hoard, not the other way round.
You hit the nail, bro!
 
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Degital money is way to grow?

Countries with digital money and least transection have least growth.

Infect most big economy which had hig gdp growth rate were cash based.

Something is messed up.....
 
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Degital money is way to grow?

Countries with digital money and least transection have least growth.

Infect most big economy which had hig gdp growth rate were cash based.

Something is messed up.....

Not true. Countries with digital money are already rich economies. Digital money in fact makes you spend more because you have access to easy credit.

M-Pesa has been very successful in Kenya. It's pretty incredible for a country that is so much poorer than India.

http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-and-m-pesa-why-money-in-kenya-has-gone-digital/

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2013/05/economist-explains-18

Digitalization is completely underestimated.
 
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Ever heard of planted news? ATMs are releasing 1 2k note and 5 100 notes. Or 4 500 notes and 5 100 notes.

That 2k release was only for 2 days, before the ATMs were recalibrated.
Which part of India? All over India?
 
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Not true. Countries with digital money are already rich economies. Digital money in fact makes you spend more because you have access to easy credit.

M-Pesa has been very successful in Kenya. It's pretty incredible for a country that is so much poorer than India.

http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-and-m-pesa-why-money-in-kenya-has-gone-digital/

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2013/05/economist-explains-18

Digitalization is completely underestimated.
Kenya economy doomed after 2013 when mpesa reached the peak year after this supposed cash removal.

Anyways if these econmy were doing great with cash why fix a problem which doesnt exist.
You are shoving your finger between the door.

This seems a stupid move. Cash is easy way to transect why make it complicated and vaunrebal for theft. Cyber crime and bank economy failure can doom any country anytime.
 
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Which part of India? All over India?

There is a lot of small notes liquidity in the market.
Nov 11
http://www.thehindu.com/business/atms-will-take-a-week-to-dispense-rs-2000-notes/article9331057.ece

Nov 17
http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...spensing-new-rs-2000-notes/article9355784.ece
Pic available is proof of small notes with the large notes.

Nov 18
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/atms...ormal-by-month-end-government-sources-1626935
2000 rupees printing will end soon.

Nov 20, today
http://zeenews.india.com/news/india...-through-atms-long-queues-likely_1951466.html
Banks were closed for non-account holders except senior citizens. This indicates the currency circulation is coming back to normal for everyday use.

http://www.thehansindia.com/posts/i...ks-closed-on-Sunday-people-throng-ATMs/264853

Even in March, 30% of ATMs were not working. So there's nothing special about it.
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/a-th...nt-working-banks-ordered-to-quick-fix-1409421
 
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