India's Ayni Military base in Tajikistan is Russia-Locked

[illusion8]

A situation like that certainly wont allow them to sit silently ... We dissected India into two in '47 , what are you gloating about ? Is Bangladesh now a part of India ?



Drone attacks are carried out with approval of the Pakistani Govt , that is a well known fact ! ...

So now you have gone from JFT to Kamra to Russia Pakistan relations to partition on a subject which involves Russia/India and Tajikistan.

 

[humanfirst]

Attack on Tajikistan if it invites Russia in the war will leave the entire region burning ... Do not expect Beijing to sit silently this time !

Pakistanis are overestimating themselves again..Beijing sat back and watched the show when pakistanis was surrendering en masse in 71..They didn't even provide diplomatic support in kargil war..They didn't lift a finger when pakistan was forced to fight wot on US behest under the threat of being "bombed to stone age"..And they are our rivals..You expect them to involve themselves in a fight against russian allies..Learn from history kid..China wont spare a single soldier for pakistan.

 

[Secur]

it doesn't, but our allies will not work against us, can you say the same. Russia delivered in 1971, we are eternally indebted for that. Israelis helped us within a days notice, compare that to Us/china- paksitan

So if it doesn't , why did you even post that childish argument as if your entire military industry is domestic somehow ? ... Yes , you are the only person who can guarantee the future China helped us in '65 with massive material help , massed troops on the LAC in '71 and US has provided a lot of weapons before ...

 

[silent poison]

I have , even US and China have massive trade , does that change anything ?

Does your entire trade argument changes the fact that you have completely disputed border with China ? Or will Indians go to any lengths now to prove Chinese aren't enemies ?

Chinese are enemy but, supplying weapons to them r not a thing for us to worry secondly , i since don't think that China will call a nuclear power to war with the one he has 100 billion USD trade....... time of 62 have change but, your mind haven't

 

[Secur]

So now you have gone from JFT to Kamra to Russia Pakistan relations to partition on a subject which involves Russia/India and Tajikistan.

See what I was replying to ...

Chinese are enemy but, supplying weapons to them r not a thing for us to worry secondly , i since don't think that China will call a nuclear power to war with the one he has 100 billion USD trade....... time of 62 have change but, your mind haven't

But they weren't the enemy a post before , were they ? And if they are the enemy , then the Russians have armed them to the teeth while you still believe that hollow statement ... Yes , the nuclear technology provided to Beijing which later made its way into Pakistan was never a threat to India nor were the advanced fighters and other countless weapons ... I am just saying that in case of an Russian attack on Pakistan , Beijing cant afford to sit silently and watch ... The reasons are obvious ...

china always advices pakistan to have friendly relationship with india and stop terrorism.

As a matter of fact , we both do

 

[MilSpec]

So if it doesn't , why did you even post that childish argument as if your entire military industry is domestic somehow ? ... Yes , you are the only person who can guarantee the future China helped us in '65 with massive material help , massed troops on the LAC in '71 and US has provided a lot of weapons before ...

And how did that work out for you.

Hey if such allies work for you,,, congrats, more power to you... We wouldn't tolerate it wheat for aircrafts or a rejected article 33.

We are moving towards domestic industry, it will take a long time, but then again we wouldn't need to worry, we have enough money, and the entire world willing to sell.

 

[humanfirst]

Didn't China turn down the request to intervene in 71..?And these Pakistanis are expecting them to involve in war against Russian allies..

 

[Secur]

We are moving towards domestic industry, it will take a long time, but then again we wouldn't need to worry, we have enough money, and the entire world willing to sell.

As if we are sleeping in the meantime , we are getting complete ToT from the Chinese in every weapon we buy ... Yes , you have money now but we all know where your economy was before 1991 and the same Pakistani economy can get a boost again in a few years when the region stabilizes ...

Didn't China turn down the request to intervene in 71..?And these Pakistanis are expecting them to involve in war against Russian allies..

There we had an entire hostile population against us , it was a lost cause yet Beijing showed solidarity with Pakistan in UN and by massing troops on the border ... The same situation will not apply here because China's location doesn't allow it to sit silently in such case ...

 

[silent poison]

So if it doesn't , why did you even post that childish argument as if your entire military industry is domestic somehow ? ... Yes , you are the only person who can guarantee the future China helped us in '65 with massive material help , massed troops on the LAC in '71 and US has provided a lot of weapons before ...

1971 India Pakistan War: Role of Russia, China, America and Britain | The World Reporter: News Opinion and Analysis

I guess you need to go from above link

On December 10, Nixon instructed Kissinger to ask the Chinese to move some troops toward the Indian frontier. 'Threaten to move forces or move them, Henry, that's what they must do now.' China feared any action on India might attract Soviet aggression. At this, US assured China that any action taken by Soviet Union will be countered by US to protect China.

Pakistani army had somehow maintained their position and resisted Indian advancement. They believed China is preparing to open the Northern front which will slow down or completely stop the Indian advancement. In fact, the myth of Chinese activity was also communicated to Pakistan's army to boost their moral, to keep their will to fight and hope alive. Lieutenant General A A K Niazi, the Pakistani army commander in Dhaka, was informed: "NEFA front has been activated by Chinese, although the Indians, for obvious reasons, have not announced it." But Beijing never did.

In Washington, Nixon analysed the situation thus: 'If the Russians get away with facing down the Chinese and the Indians get away with licking the Pakistanis...we may be looking down the gun barrel.' Nixon was not sure about China. Did they really intend to start a military action against India?

 

[neutral_person]

Do we really need an air base in Tajikstan? Sounds like a waste of money to me.

Is there any economic or other benefits other than being able to get a fooothold in Central Asia?

 

[arp2041]

I am not cheering ... I am just reminding you of the fallacy of " not arming India's enemies " argument .. You can console yourself ... Provide a thousand excuses but the ground reality is different ...

What Russians have done for India, Pakistan can never expect it from any country be it so called ally US or "all weather friend" China. There are many egs. where the former USSR/present Russia has bent the rules to accommodate India:

1. Signing of Indo-Russian friendship treaty in 1971, which helped India win the war without any interference from US or China, when USN 7th fleet was threatening to jump in the war, Russia silently dispatched one of it's SSBN to take care of it, what did China or US did for u??

2. USSR helped India build it's military-industrial complex by giving weapon system & tech on easy terms, entire production line of mig-21 was sent to India in no time.

3. When the world was taking stringent measures to stop any nuclear trade with India (after 1974 & 1998), Russia was supplying us nuclear fuel for Tarapur & other nuclear reactors.

4. There is not a single example of a country giving/leasing it's nuclear submarine to any other country, but Russia has done this for India, not once but twice (coincidentally both subs were named INS Chakra) & maybe IN is getting another Akula from the Russians, why not ask for one SSN/SSBN from ur "all weather friend"???

5. Every country that is in a process or has built a fifth gen aircraft is doing it all alone (yes US is partnering many nations for F-35s, but they are just watered down version of F-22), but Russia is providing us full TOT & jointly developing a FGFA, if u think it's just because of money than go and ask for a F-22 from the Americans, u will come to know that no amount of money will make Americans give there priced F-22.

6. Russia still don't provide any high-tech weaponry to Pakistan, as i made it clear for RD-93, & there is no reason to think that this policy gonna change anytime soon, u can always cheer for RD-93 or transport helos, but u also know that they are not what one can call "latest technology".

7. Again no country will provide satellite navigation technology for military purpose, which the Russians are happily providing India (with GLONASS).

When u can find a friend which can do so much for u, than come & make fun of Indo-Russian friendship, till than

 

[silent poison]

See what I was replying to ...



But they weren't the enemy a post before , were they ? And if they are the enemy , then the Russians have armed them to the teeth while you still believe that hollow statement ... Yes , the nuclear technology provided to Beijing which later made its way into Pakistan was never a threat to India nor were the advanced fighters and other countless weapons ... I am just saying that in case of an Russian attack on Pakistan , Beijing cant afford to sit silently and watch ... The reasons are obvious ...



As a matter of fact , we both do

China's first nuclear weapons test, detonated on October 16, 1964

 

[MilSpec]

As if we are sleeping in the meantime , we are getting complete ToT from the Chinese in every weapon we buy ... Yes , you have money now but we all know where your economy was before 1991 and the same Pakistani economy can get a boost again in a few years when the region stabilizes ...

Ok this might Help

Indian Allies

Russia - The most advanced platforms, Flanker - Full ToT production
PAKFA future platform - Offered/deal signed
Mig35 offered,

France - Most advanced Platform - Rafale - Full ToT production signed

UK - Most advanced Platform Eurofighter- Full ToT production Offered

PAK ally

China - Most advanced platforms J20, not offered, J31 not offered, J10 Not offered only speculation

 

[humanfirst]

There we had an entire hostile population against us , it was a lost cause yet Beijing showed solidarity with Pakistan in UN and by massing troops on the border ... The same situation will not apply here because China's location doesn't allow it to sit silently in such case ...

Atleast Beijing could have avoided the mass surrender ..But they chose to sit back and watch their ally surrender.
What about kargil..?And What about when pakistan was threatened to join Wot?And What about when drones continued to kill pakistanis even after "determinant" warning from mighty COAS..?Did China lift a finger?
You guys are seriously deluded..

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Some Chinese support to Pakistan in 1971