India’s attitude points to desire for war: Sartaj Aziz

[salwararmy]

@sandy_3126 Inspite of getting their a$$ kicked all the time, worst part is they never learn.

Just saying Hi to ya before getting banned.

 

[Shot-Caller]

Yes you are absolutely correct, a retired Air Chief marshal, who also was Director of Directorate-General of the Air Operations and Assistant Chief of the Air Staff in the Air Headquarters needs to learn from you. Remind me of your credentials again....

Ok so if you believe that guy you should believe this guy too. He also has good credentials and a very relevant family background.

Indian brigadier 'sold 1965 battle plan' - Telegraph

 

[definitelynotIndian]

Obsessed with too much religious rant and unnecessary habitual flame baits?

What a radicalized mindset.

And this guy is the admin. What a joke lol

 

[salwararmy]

well its "jihadis" who have been battering and bruising your ilk off and on for the past few thousands of years so one would think its programmed in your DNA - however faulty - to be accustomed to it

anyways we look forward to dealing with whatever cannon fodder you present us with

Keep on dreaming when your own Childrens are getting murdered by your own Muslim TTP & you can do nothing but pooping on your Pants...Yo Supa Powa Pakistan

 

[MilSpec]

Ok so if you believe that guy you should believe this guy too. He also has good credentials and a very relevant family background.

Indian brigadier 'sold 1965 battle plan' - Telegraph

India's defence minister, Pranab Muckherjee, at first dismissed the claims as "difficult to believe", but then promised that an inquiry would be held.... If any such thing happened we do accept such possibilities.

Espionage is absolute possibility. The person you refer to as "that guy", has better credibility and achievements of than all the experts and professionals here combined... btw....

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Pakistan looses every time when they war with India. Even they capture one Hill, it is a "Victory" for them...

Funny thing is - during '65 war indian propaganda machine made videos of Indian troops marching in Lahore -Anarkali....your generals dreaming about pegs of whisky @ Gymkhana club. We dispatched PLENTY of indian cowards to have plenty of pegs of whisky in the afterlife.

In the same war maybe you've seen the interview of Sdn. Ldr S. Sajad Haider (PAF) by the British journalist were he asks a Pakistani Pilot how many times Indians have claimed to shot him down and captured him and he tells him that they just made the claim 3-4 times.

you'll take your lies, deception and mental-masturbation with you to your graves....i'm sorry i mean when your bodies are burnt to ash

 

[MilSpec]

@sandy_3126 Inspite of getting their a$$ kicked all the time, worst part is they never learn.

Just saying Hi to ya before getting banned.

And why would you be banned, I don't see any reprimand for the first line of offence here referring to Indians as Dot Heads....

Funny thing is - during '65 war indian propaganda machine made videos of Indian troops marching in Lahore -Anarkali....your generals dreaming about pegs of whisky @ Gymkhana club. We dispatched PLENTY of indian cowards to have plenty of pegs of whisky in the afterlife.

In the same war maybe you've seen the interview of Sdn. Ldr S. Sajad Haider (PAF) by the British journalist were he asks a Pakistani Pilot how many times Indians have claimed to shot him down and captured him and he tells him that they just made the claim 3-4 times.

you'll take your lies, deception and mental-masturbation with you to your graves....i'm sorry i mean when your bodies are burnt to ash

Objective: Liberation of Kashmir, - result - failure
Achievement : Defense of Lahore. - result - Sucess

Overall conclusion: Massive Pakistani Victory

Only in planet pakistan!

 

[VelocuR]

Pakistan has to prepare for a war, its only a matter of when these self radicalized Hindutvas go on a maha yudh drive. Pakistan's military strategy should focus on inflicting mass casualties on Indian civilians for voting these extremists into office. Hindutvas need to be told that their little Hindu Reich will actually result in a collective 'chita' in which they will burn collectively.

Excellent points @Horus, it is always India want to start war with Pakistan.

 

[Shot-Caller]

India's defence minister, Pranab Muckherjee, at first dismissed the claims as "difficult to believe", but then promised that an inquiry would be held.... If any such thing happened we do accept such possibilities.

Espionage is absolute possibility. The person you refer to as "that guy", has better credibility and achievements of all the experts and professionals here combined... btw....

You completely missed the point. This claim wasn't given much importance here even in Pakistan. Nevermind you can believe him I won't because its just looks like a stunt to appear on tv and get some attention and these channels bring them on air for some ratings. After a few days these people go back to getting no attention.

 

[MilSpec]

You completely missed the point. This claim wasn't given much importance here even in Pakistan. Nevermind you can believe him I won't because its just looks like a stunt to appear on tv and get some attention and these channels bring them on air for some ratings. After a few days these people go back to getting no attention.

So you are implying your own Air Chief Marshal is a liar and is deceiving the nation.... That is quite a meritorious award for serving his nation.

It is quite unfortunate to see that people like you would malign the greatest contributors to your nations forces just to push your own narrative.

 

[Shot-Caller]

Objective: Liberation of Kashmir, - result - failure
Achievement : Defense of Lahore. - result - Sucess

Overall conclusion: Massive Pakistani Victory

Only in planet pakistan!

No.
Objective: Drinking whiskey in Lahore gymkhana. Result: Death.
Achievement: Saved Kashmir. Result: Success.

Overall conclusion: Tried a hand at capturing Lahore ended up saving Kashmir instead therefore massive indian victory.


Only in Planet bharat.

So you are implying your own Air Chief Marshal is a liar and is deceiving the nation.... That is quite a meritorious award for serving his nation.

It is quite unfortunate to see that people like you would malign the greatest contributors to your nations forces just to push your own narrative.

Yea he threw all his services to garbage can as soon as he started defaming his own army to get media attention. If it was such a bad army why did he accept being the air chief? Won't get into your head would it.

 

[Imran Khan]

talking larai ok gun wali larai no no

 

[MilSpec]

No.
Objective: Drinking whiskey in Lahore gymkhana. Result: Death.
Achievement: Saved Kashmir. Result: Success.

Overall conclusion: Tried a hand at capturing Lahore ended up saving Kashmir instead therefore massive indian victory.


Only in Planet bharat.


Yea he threw all his services to garbage can as soon as he started defaming his own army to get media attention. If it was such a bad army why did he accept being the air chief? Won't get into your head would it.

What do you have to say about 1965 war?

If you were to ask me this question when I was a young officer, my reply would have been quite different because I fought in that war, saw tactical action and in my perception we did well and beat back the aggressor and won the war. As one matures, learns and has the ability to analyze, one begins to differentiate between myth and reality, of course, with the advantage of the hindsight. 1965 War manifested the shortsightedness and immaturity of our political and military leadership. Pakistan started with ‘Operation Gibraltar’ in Kashmir. We have been made to think it was very bold and imaginative in conception and prepared by a great General. In my opinion it was bold, unimaginative, unpracticable plan. It was not in harmony with prevailing environment in Indian Held Kashmir. It was based on dangerous assumptions and its time frame was unrealistic and quixotic. The plan reflected strategic naivety and immaturity. To top it all the preparation and subsequently the execution displayed lack of professionalism. Since it lacked politico-strategic framework and vision it placed Pakistan in a very precarious position. On its failure, ‘Operation Grandslam’ was launched, which did make military sense since it enjoyed the superiority of strategic orientation. The capture of objective (Akhnur Bridges) would sever the Indian lines of communication in Kashmir and force them to retract. This operation was to suffer a major setback when the advance was halted because of an explainable change of command in the middle of the battle. Indians were so threatened by this move that they attacked with full might across the international border threatening Lahore and Sialkot. Our leaders panicked, ‘Operation Grandslam’ was brought to a grinding halt. Later, a brilliantly conceived Riposte from Khem Karan failed because a correct mix of units was not mustered to achieve a superior relative strength situation at the right time at the right place. We won a lot of battles but lost the war as we failed to attain the political aim of defreezing and the ultimate liberation of the Kashmir. Ayub Khan thus ruined the national economy by one wrong decision that had taken him several years to build.

Brig (Retd) Saeed Ismat, SJ

Cover Story

got the wrong guy last time - edited

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[salwararmy]

@sandy_3126 Just a fan of you,,reading this Forum from Long time...couldn't resist to join...you are a great thinker &you have the ability to spray that thought into words..good capability.

Just remember my username here & you would see me banned after some time ...

 

[13 komaun]

Conflict maybe but war no considering the def. Budget of Pakistan financed by U.S moreover indian jails are already saturated thus. Can't hold any P.O.W like 71,including women and kids.