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India's Aircraft Carriers Might Just Be the Ultimate Paper Tiger

All Aircraft Carriers operated or currently in operation including INS Vikrant which will be deployed in early 2020s are Air Defense Ships, in conflict time they will be tasked for mostly air defense duties i.e; guarding surface & sub-surface assets on IN and keep sea traffic to Indian ports from harms way.
Plotting a scenario where its being assumed that somehow they will try to take over air force role of striking targets inside pakistan is incorrect use case.
The Indian Navy's main punch will be destroyers who will be taking care of any enemy assets closer to enemies sea borders, air defense duties will be divided to ACs and SAM's on ships.
INS Vishal is easily a decade away, once its in hands of navy only then India will know if it can play a role of ADS & Strike group or just ADS.

who many of Indian troops are deployed at Indo-China border ....???
How may of Indian Air force squadrons are deployed against China ....??
How many of Indian Navy Ships are deployed at the other side of Malacca Straits ....???

enough for peace loving "HIGHER IQ" Indian ....

Indo-China border has most modern strike corp. deployed and another one being raised excluding of 200k IA/ITBP forces who are stationed.
All northen/central & eastern IAF bases can cater to both china & pak.
India doesnt need to deploy ships on the other side of Malacca Andaman Nicobar has enough fire power to see to any threat coming from east. Its like an unsinkable AC.
Infrastructure is being developed rapidly which was earlier being ignored because of flawed strategy.

pakistan has mostly BSF on its side and IA in LOC. Which are not even allowed to use heavy firepower like 155mm guns as of now.
 
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Do they feed their Aircraft carrier crews? The situation of food among Indian border forces is abysmal.
Perhaps those personnel might get the good food?
Indian army man makes twice the salary of pakistani army in $$ terms , so do indian border forces , they complain and demand good things if they are they used to it .So don't bother , they can manage well .

BTW food at Aircraft carrier is reputed to be the best in Navy .
 
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Sorry to burst your bubble. Our new weapons are now China centric. We already achieved strategic superiority numeric and quality wise with regards to Pakistan. Besides if ever there was a real war in future it will be with China and not with Pakistan. Because Pakistan is unstable and has first use nuclear policy. India will never attack it using conventional weapons.
Please do elaborate how you acheived strategic superiority over Pakistan? Had that been the case you would have wasted no time. Your so called superiority looks good on paper only. Biggest mistake you can make is underestimate your opponent. Do remember the next time you get on your high horse!
 
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Robert Beckhusen
January 19, 2018

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...rriers-might-just-be-the-ultimate-paper-24138

The Indian Navy has put out a proposal for its third aircraft carrier, tentatively titled the Vishal due to enter service in the latter 2020s. The 65,000-ton Vishal will be significantly larger than India’s sole current carrier, the Vikramaditya known formerly as the ex-Soviet Admiral Gorshkov, and the incoming second one, the domestically-built Vikrantwhich is expected to enter service later in 2018.

To see why Vishal is a big deal for the Indian Navy, one needs only to look at her proposed air wing — some 57 fighters, more than Vikramaditya — 24 MiG-29Ks — and Vikrant‘s wing of around 30 MiG-29Ks. While below the 75+ aircraft aboard a U.S. Navy Gerald R. Ford-class supercarrier, Vishal will be a proper full-size carrier and India’s first, as the preceding two are really small-deck carriers and limited in several significant ways.

The Indian Navy is also looking at an electromagnetic launch system for its third carrier, similar to the one aboard the Ford class. India’s first two carriers have STOBAR configurations, in which aircraft launch with the assistance of a ski-jump, which limits the maximum weight a plane can lift into the air. Typically this means that fighters must sacrifice weapons, or fuel thus limiting range, or a combination of both.

The Indian Navy is searching for a foreign-sourced twin-engine fighter for the Vishal, with the U.S. F/A-18 and French Rafale in the running, and India has already ordered 36 multi-role Rafales for its air force. This is a blow to advocates of an Indian-made fighter for the carrier such as naval version of the delta-wing HAL Tejas, which is too heavy for carrier work

But regardless of what kind of fighters Vishal uses, the question is whether India really needs a third carrier, which will cost billions of dollars over its lifetime. To be sure, a third and much larger carrier will free up the burden on the Vikramaditya and Vikrant, only one of which is likely to be battle-ready at any given time.

These smaller carriers probably have fewer operational fighters than they do on paper, given that the air wings likely have serviceability rates below 100 percent. Vikramaditya by itself could have significantly less than 24 MiGs capable of flying — and fighting.

Now imagine a scenario in which these carriers go to battle.

Most likely, India would attempt to enforce a blockade of Pakistan and use its carriers to strike land-based targets. But Pakistan has several means to attack Indian carriers — with near-undetectable submarines and anti-ship missiles — which must also operate relatively far from India itself in the western and northern Arabian Sea. China does not have a similar disadvantage, as the PLAN would likely keep its carriers close and within the “first island chain” including Taiwan, closer to shore where supporting aircraft and ground-based missile launchers can help out.

Thus, Indian carriers would be relatively vulnerable and only one of them will have aircraft capable of launching with standard ordnance and fuel. And that is after Vishal sets sail in the next decade.

To directly threaten Pakistan, the small-deck carriers will have to maneuver nearer to shore — and thereby closer to “anti-access / area denial” weapons which could sink them. And even with a third carrier, the threat of land-based Pakistani aircraft will force the Indian Navy to dedicate a large proportion of its own air wings to defense — perhaps half of its available fighters, according to 2017 paper by Ben Wan Beng Ho for the Naval War College Review.

“Therefore, it is doubtful that any attack force launched from an Indian carrier would pack a significant punch,” Ho writes. “With aircraft available for strike duties barely numbering into the double digits, the Indian carrier simply cannot deliver a substantial ‘pulse’ of combat power against its adversary.”

Essentially, this makes Indian carriers’ self-defeating, with the flattops existing primarily to defend themselves from attack rather than taking the fight to their enemy. Carriers are also expensive symbols of national prestige, and it is unlikely the Indian Navy will want to risk losing one, two or all three. Under the circumstances, India’s investment in carriers makes more sense symbolically, and primarily as a way of keeping shipyards busy and shipyard workers employed.

However, this is not to entirely rule out a carrier-centric naval strategy. Ho notes that Indian carriers could be useful when operating far out at sea and in the western Arabian Sea, effectively as escort ships for commercial shipping and to harass Pakistani trade. Nevertheless, this strategy comes with a similar set of problems.

“In any attempt to impose sea control in the northern Arabian Sea and to interdict Pakistani seaborne commerce by enforcing a blockade of major Pakistani maritime nodes, Indian carrier forces would have to devote a portion of their already meager airpower to attacking Pakistani vessels, thereby exacerbating the conundrum alluded to earlier,” Ho added. “What is more, Pakistani ships are likely to operate relatively close to their nation’s coast, to be protected by Islamabad’s considerable access-denial barrier.”

Another possibility is India massing its carriers in the later stages of a war after the Army and Air Force pummel and degrade the Pakistani military.

But this raises the question as to whether India strictly needs carriers at all if it cannot use them during the decisive periods of a conflict — as opposed to, say, less-expensive warships, and more of them, equipped with long-range missiles.
What a retard article the writer says the carrier build so that it will help the employees employed in the Indian shipyards.
Cochin shipyard which is currently building ins vikrant is a very reputed shipbuilder they made a profit of 248 crores last year.
Prior to the ins vikrant they were building ships for clipper group and platform support vessels for a Norwegian company.
They had no problem in getting more orders.
They are building iac because the shipyard is the only one capable in India to accommodate such a large vessel.
 
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Indo-China border has most modern strike corp. deployed and another one being raised excluding of 200k IA/ITBP forces who are stationed.
out of 13 corps and ITBP is not more than border patrolling force
pakistan has mostly BSF on its side and IA in LOC. Which are not even allowed to use heavy firepower like 155mm guns as of now.
nothing unusual even Pakistan has placed Pakistan Rangers on International border not the army, but the point is India has placed its strike corps at places from where they could be moved towards Pakistan rather China
 
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out of 13 corps and ITBP is not more than border paroling force
dont flatter yourself, the army cantonments locations are from pre independence, most of the units raised post independence are spread all over India. And the biggest raise is/are coming from 2 mountain strike corps. which will get all the latest goodies from US and latest from India. are entirely catering to chinese.
pakistan is no equal to India any military/political/economical/scientifically/cultural/global level.
like Army boss said we will call pakistani nuke bluff.
 
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Food quality / quantity may not be the issue on such a strategic asset but INS has another issue..which is in fact worse than food problem...that's wife swapping and using her as stepping stone for promotions
It did happen in 2012 the culprits were caught SC ordered special probe on it and never heard it happen ever since.
 
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Sorry to burst your bubble. Our new weapons are now China centric. We already achieved strategic superiority numeric and quality wise with regards to Pakistan. Besides if ever there was a real war in future it will be with China and not with Pakistan. Because Pakistan is unstable and has first use nuclear policy. India will never attack it using conventional weapons.

as you did in 2017 ICC cricket final. you had won before the match started and even were shouting to the world

BAAP khon BTETA khon. now we know who is yoooo daddy

How do you expect your troops to cross the Himalaya?

their monkeys are better than the Chinese troops. come on man haven't you seen the Bollywood movies
 
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Food quality / quantity may not be the issue on such a strategic asset but INS has another issue..which is in fact worse than food problem...that's wife swapping and using her as stepping stone for promotions

Well that's definitely not good and a bit disgusting if true. :eek:
 
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Indians just cant admit to facts lolz they have lost their damn minds these days wake up and stop living in a dream world not everything is Bollywood. Think about friendship and peace rather war because both sides have a lot to loose let the children of tomorrow live in peace.
 
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Top American Naval Engineers found serious flaws in India’s Under Construction Carrier INS Vikrant

https://defenceupdate.in/top-americ...ndias-under-construction-carrier-ins-vikrant/
It's our first carrier..Flaws are normal,adaptation will come..BTW we should have sought Pakistan's help it seems.Lol

Indians just cant admit to facts lolz they have lost their damn minds these days wake up and stop living in a dream world not everything is Bollywood. Think about friendship and peace rather war because both sides have a lot to loose let the children of tomorrow live in peace.

India spends lesser amount of GDP compared to Pakistan in defense BTW.Stop interfering Kashmir,we can manage you some break.
Dream has already come true when it was launched..:P
 
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