Indians being brainwashed into believing Pakistan is the enemy: Naseeruddin Shah

[ravi kiran]

DO you know What is the THIRD category of people

1 Patriots
2 Traitors
3 Fence sitters who are looking for the BEST BARGAIN from both sides

Is that who you are

I agree. In our country there are millions of Traitors and Fence sitters.

okay... i tire of explaining of the same thing... i quit this thread.

you never explained anything.

usually when i am alone,i think as to why we are born as Pakistanis and than too neighbor to a country like india?are we cursed for our ancestors sins to be the neighbor of india?

yes you are right. you are cursed for your ancestors sins especially sins like partition and killing million Hindus under Jinnah's order of direct action.

I am glad Jinnah said "we shall not ask a Hindu in Pakistan if he will kill an Indian Hindu in war time" so we aren't asking our minorities the question about their loyalty to land and people. Some people do but are mislead.

Dopellgangers question, if they hold a gun to hindu heads who will you kill, well not all muslims from Lucknow or other parts are like me. My mamoo was a supporter of India (in the end he was killed by the same India he vouched for and trusted but he was a loyal Indian) and there are others too in my khandaan.

I believe the question that minorities are not loyal to land and nation should not be asked and instead all should be done to integrate them. Look at Nelson Mandela and Gandhi jis solution. Gandhi stood for khilafat despite being a Hindu. Nelson's south africa treats muslims so well they seem to be extremely loyal to state. New Zealand has 70% halal meat in markets. Some form of appeasement is necessary. I have a friend on this site @Dalit who defends nation of Pakistan but avoids hindu topics because in Pakistan unfortunately there is no appeasement (for that matter there isn't in Indian occupied parts as well)... I think it is the duty of state and people to protect minorities in their country, regardless of their worldview.

The solution to disloyal minorities, like my father mother and grandfathers... is to treat them so well that they forget thoughts of loyalty to another country. This is what we should do.

are you insane??
you want us to treat traitors like you so well??
we are not begging for loyalty from traitors.
instead we will kill all those traitors.

 

[haviZsultan]

are you insane??
you want us to treat traitors like you so well??
we are not begging for loyalty from traitors.
instead we will kill all those traitors.

Well then there will be backlash. You killed some but you can't kill us all. As I stated, no matter what happens some muslims will be left in Indian occupied parts and some Hindus will remain in Pakistan. This solution of doppelganger is a null solution, something I wouldn't expect from a person who lives abroad and has a Pakistani girlfriend. It is the states duty to protect minorities, not make them quit the state.

 

[Razia Sultana]

OK can you categorically say two things

1 Pakistan is India's enemy

2 Naseeruddin Shah is WRONG to blame India for this enmity

Well, I am enjoying trolling here.
1. What is the stand of Govt. of India? Is Pakistan an enemy? If so, why India has given MFN status to Pakistan without the latter reciprocating it?
2. Has Naseeruddin Shah BLAMED India for enmity?

 

[SirHatesALot]

lol some brainwashing obliviously happens

 

[doppelganger]

This solution of doppelganger is a null solution, something I wouldn't expect from a person who lives abroad and has a Pakistani girlfriend.

I live in India, have never been even to Sri Lanka in my life, and I have a Pakistani cyber chat friend. She's dishy though in a nerdy chashmish way.

My solution is not a zero sum game. Those Indian Muslims who cannot come to terms with killing Pakistanis to save their own country and countrymen should be persuaded to move.

I have no issues with those who feel they can.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Well, I am enjoying trolling here.
1. What is the stand of Govt. of India? Is Pakistan an enemy? If so, why India has given MFN status to Pakistan without the latter reciprocating it?
2. Has Naseeruddin Shah BLAMED India for enmity?

Yes the State of Pakistan is officially Referred to as the ENEMY in ALL
the briefings; meetings and discussions in the Government

There is NO doubt about that
There is no need to write it down on PAPER as an official GAZETTE notification or a Government resolution

It is so pretty obvious

Most recently the PM ; FM in Parliament castigated the opposition and said

" YOUR Land bill is HELPING THE Enemy and the ISI " in the Land bill discussion

Secondly Naseeruddin Shah has said that We Indians have been BRAINWASHED
we cannot see the light ; Pakistanis are SO NICE to us

That is the factual meaning and implication of the term brainwashed

 

[ravi kiran]

I dont understand when you think of Muslims what comes to your mind. Is it APJ Abdul Kalam or Akbaruddin Owaisi?

Akbaruddin Owaisi

There is no way to make each and every one of the 170 million muslims in parts occupied by India to move.

there is way.

hmmm.... so in your opinion Advani, Jaswant Singh and Naseeruddin Shah are traitors... you can count Gen V K Singh also for attending Pakistan Day party along with Hurriyat people wearing a green jacket.

Or there are different yard sticks for hindus and muslims when it comes to being patriotic?

Advani, Jaswant Singh and Gen V K Singh never say anything against Indian.
Naseeruddin Shah is calling Indians brainwashed. do you see the difference here.

Well then there will be backlash. You killed some but you can't kill us all. As I stated, no matter what happens some muslims will be left in Indian occupied parts and some Hindus will remain in Pakistan. This solution of doppelganger is a null solution, something I wouldn't expect from a person who lives abroad and has a Pakistani girlfriend. It is the states duty to protect minorities, not make them quit the state.

I dont care about Hindus in Pakistan. FYI i am not any religious fanatic. I am extreme nationalist.
we will kill each and every traitor. let them be 170 or 170 million we will kill them.

 

[doppelganger]

@haviZsultan

Indian Mslims who can bleed with me on the battlefield are my brothers. I see no difference between me and them, and will bleed for them and their families.

This is not an empty boast. My dad is from the army. One of my elder brothers is as well. And so will I be a few years from now.

 

[haviZsultan]

@haviZsultan

Indian Mslims who can bleed with me on the battlefield are my brothers. I see no difference between me and them, and will bleed for them and their families.

This is not an empty boast. My dad is from the army. One of my elder brothers is as well. And so will I be a few years from now.

I have never been to the battlefield and bled for my country yet. Still does not mean I am not patriotic to Pakistan...

 

[doppelganger]

I have never been to the battlefield and bled for my country yet. Still does not mean I am not patriotic to Pakistan...

I have also not been.

I hope I am not scared when the time comes.

P.S. I come from a warrior clan from a small village between Mumbai and Pune, which traces its roots back to Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj's deccan and north-north-eastern campaigns.

 

[Sky lord]

On his return to India after a successful tour to Pakistan, veteran Bollywood actor Naseeruddin Shah expressed regret at the animosity towards Pakistan prevalent in his home country.

Naseeruddin Shah was in Pakistan in February to promote his bookAnd then one day: A Memoir. He also graced the Lahore Literary Festival and conducted a theater workshop at the Karachi Arts Council to a packed audience.

In an interview to entertainment website Bollywood Hungama, Shah said, “It is tragic that often-times performers from Pakistan are prevented from performing in this country. Recently, there was a very disturbing instance of a Pakistani artiste’s work being destroyed in Ahmedabad. But they welcome us in Pakistan with open arms.”

He stressed the need to keep political differences between the two countries aside. “I keep going to Pakistan because I feel it is very important to have a person-to-person contact. We can’t afford to be swayed by all the political rhetoric. Politicians will change colours whenever it suits them. Indians are being brainwashed into believing Pakistan to be the enemy country without being aware of the historical background.”

He further added that Indians need to look beyond the political animosity. “I’d make a very strong appeal for that. And this has nothing whatsoever to with my being Muslim. What can we possibly gain from this form of ragging that we practice against Pakistan? It is a bully’s way of asserting himself. They are next door neighbors.”

Mentioning the love and regard for Indians in Pakistan, the actor said, “The tragedy of the political divide between the two countries is symbolical. It should go. That would never happen until we travel to Pakistan more often and interact with the local people. There is a great deal of curiosity and admiration in Pakistan for what India has achieved.”

He added, “They love me unconditionally in Pakistan. They are nuts about our stars like Salman and Shah Rukh. But I also sense a reverent affection in Pakistan for actors like me, Om Puri and Farooq Sheikh. I feel very special in Pakistan.”

This reminds of the three blind men and the elephant. As none of them could see the whole elephant, each described it very differently .

The problem in South Asia is that there is not enough academic work being done on this issue. We need impartial analyses from primary sources of data and that is simply missing. Everyone loves to blame politicians for everything, but they are not magicians, they can only do the possible with the tools available to them and in the end they substitute their best guess and gut feeling for hard information.

NS is entitled to his opinion which is based on his personal warm welcome by the very nice trendy art loving Karachi liberals ..... but his opinion is just that a personal opinion nothing more. I am sure if you checked with the wife of the soldier at the border beheaded also by Pakistanis she would have a very different personal opinion based on her experience.

Pakistan (and India) is a complex society so the movie appreciating crowd that welcomed NS is only part of the whole, there are also people like Hamid Gul and sundry bearded yahoos each an integral part of the whole. How Pakistan as a country behaves is the sum total of the power plays of all these groups.

To have a solution to this problem tomorrow we need better analysis today.... Don't know if anyone is bothering with that, we are all having too much fun slinging insults at each other.

 

[Razia Sultana]

Yes the State of Pakistan is officially Referred to as the ENEMY in ALL
the briefings; meetings and discussions in the Government

There is NO doubt about that
There is no need to write it down on PAPER as an official GAZETTE notification or a Government resolution

It is so pretty obvious

Most recently the PM ; FM in Parliament castigated the opposition and said

" YOUR Land bill is HELPING THE Enemy and the ISI " in the Land bill discussion

Secondly Naseeruddin Shah has said that We Indians have been BRAINWASHED
we cannot see the light ; Pakistanis are SO NICE to us

That is the factual meaning and implication of the term brainwashed

If its official that pakistan is an enemy of India then Naseer is right. without getting too much into the connotation of the word "brainwashing", for thats what the govt. would suppose to be doing.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

To have a solution to this problem tomorrow we need better analysis today.... Don't know if anyone is bothering with that, we are all having too much fun slinging insults at each other.

What is there to Analyse

If Naseeruddin Shah gets treated like Royalty in Pakistan then ALL of us Indians
should forget the and threats and dangers posed by Pakistan

Is that what you mean

And who has GIVEN Naseeruddin Shah The LICENCE or the RIGHT to call Indians
as Brainwashed

If anything he himself comes across as a BRAINLESS man
if he is UNAWARE of the Threats and dangers
to India emanating from Pakistan

AND if he is AWARE of the Reality and YET he sees Indians as Brainwashed
then he is a Traitor ; PLAIN and simple

 

[Razia Sultana]

Akbaruddin Owaisi

lol. ok from now on when I think of Hindus, I will think of Ravan, Kans, Jaichand.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

If its official that pakistan is an enemy of India then Naseer is right. without getting too much into the connotation of the word "brainwashing", for thats what the govt. would suppose to be doing.

You are not making any sense here

So the GOVT is lying when it says that ISI is making plans to harm India

All the news of LOC fighting and infiltration is false ? IS THAT what you mean

lol. ok from now on when I think of Hindus, I will think of Ravan, Kans, Jaichand.

Excuse me MADAM

Ravan and Kans had PERSONAL issues and disputes
They were NOT against any community

As Mr Owaissi clearly is

Secondly Jaichand Harmed Hindus and sided with Ghori
he was the benefactor of Muslims

You History is quite weak