Indians and the paint shop syndrome

[Stephen Cohen]

We'll make fun of tejas when it is able to fly.

Buy some Tissues ; LCA's Performance and its INEVITABLE comparision with JF 17
Next month will leave you in tears

 

[amardeep mishra]

No one ever refers to Indian products as a paint job, however, it's the term INDIGENOUS that is often questioned.

@Windjammer
Indeed everyone has a right to "question" whatever they find objectionable provided they are able to back their claims with very strong and credible facts,research literature etc. Until then,the exercise of questioning would remain useless and shall bear no credibility whatsoever.
If for instance,you claim that certain missile system x has been designed in pakistan,then you should be in a position to specifically point out all the relevant patents,research that was carried out by concerned pakistani establishments.If you can not do that(which i am more than sure you cant),then in that case,kindly do not use the age old pakistani rhetoric-
"oh we dont publish research", or "oh,we get our job done miraculously". Because believe me these sentences might be very good for local consumption for pakistani populace but rest of the world believes in published literature and established capabilities

Coming to the question of development of JF-17,there are a lot of facilities that one would need in order to design a fighter jet,unfortunately a lot of them are simply not present in pakistan. But then again one might argue that mere absence of research facilities shouldnt be the only factor limiting factor or that pakistan might have taken the help of chinese labs. Either way,there must exist "pakistani research" in JF-17- if at all pakistan has really contributed in the design and development of that fighter.To be quite honest,itz like I claiming that pakfa or T-50 is india or has a significant indian contribution

 

[Windjammer]

Pakistani missiles like Ghauri and Shaheen etc are north korean junk.

Either way, if ever used, they will save the Indians a lot of firewood.

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

forget the wars and jihad bit but you have fallen really far behind in Industry and other important fields like space, it, pharma, auto.. you name it, Pakistan is, sadly, nowhere.

Yes you're right.But I dont think we are no where.We have alot of positives on our side.We need the right leadership perhaps.
And I certainly dont think we are that far behind the developed world that we cant ever catch up.
Even just a decade of progress can make us at par with the developed couterparts.

 

[hunter_hunted]

Who said 35 ? The report says 61

Whatever keep you guys happy and help in inflating your ego . But do crack coconut on tejas when it is ready to Compete. just for good luck

 

[Joseph Goebbels]

Do you have a competitor in your arsenal which can compete with the jf 17 ? I'm talking about a bird which has been made in India,by India and for India.
If your answer is no,then you dont qualify to comment on the indigenousity of the jf 17.

yes we have MKI which was designed with indian requirements and many french and israeli sub systems for requirements of IAF and is made in india from even its engine from forging raw material level while PAC kamra just asembells semi knocked down chinese kits of JF-17 and a russian engine

 

[ito]

No one ever refers to Indian products as a paint job, however, it's the term INDIGENOUS that is often questioned.

If India does paint job, Tejas would have been inducted 20 years ago.

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

OK I will rephrase My question and my point

WHAT did Pakistan GAIN by Its Conflict with India

We have taken this conflict IN OUR STRIDE and are well ON OUR way to a
BIG power status

What about Pakistan ? Where is It HEADING

Good luck with the shupa powa dreams.
As for Pakistan,it will always be an obstacle in your hegimonic designs.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Whatever keep you guys happy and help in inflating your ego . But do crack coconut on tejas when it is ready to Compete. just for good luck

Thank you for the Advice

EGO is when you cannot accept SOMEBODY's SUPERIORITY
and want to claim PARITY inspite of your overwhelming weaknesses

yes we have MKI which was designed with indian requirements and many french and israeli sub systems for requirements of IAF and is made in india from even its engine from forging raw material level while PAC kamra just asembells semi knocked down chinese kits of JF-17 and a russian engine

India has PUT MORE INPUTS ; Parts and components in SU 30 MKI
Than Pakistan has put in JF 17

 

[Major Shaitan Singh]

There are many Indian companies which have world class facilities (both public and private)
Aeronautics:
Joint Ventures:

• Sukhoi Series: JV ( Sukhoi Russia, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited)

• MIG Series: JV (MIG Russia, HAL)

• Dhruv:JV (MBB Germany, HAL)

Indigenous:

• Light Combat Aircraft Tejas (HAL)

• Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft(ADA, HAL)

• Light Combat Helicopter (HAL)

Tanks:
Joint Ventures

• Sarath: JV(kuganmashzavod BMP-2 Russia, ODF Medak)

• T-90 : JV(Uralvagonzavod Russia , Heavy Vehicles Factory Avadi)

• Vijayanta : JV( Vickers MBT UK, Heavy Vehicles Factory Avadi)

 

[Pulsar]

Relax guys! Even the F-35 has 22 sub contractors all over Europe! There's no aircraft that is 100% indigenous!

 

[Major Shaitan Singh]

Indigenous

• Arjun Tank (DRDO, Heavy Vehicles Factory Avadi)

• Tank EX (CVRDE, Heavy Vehicles Factory Avadi)

Missiles:
Joint Ventures

• Anti Tank Guided Missile -French SS11B1 :JV(Aerospatiale France, BDL)

• Anti Tank Guided Missile - Konkurs M :JV (Tula Machinery Design Bureau Russia, BDL)

• Milan 2TMBDA France, BDL)

• BrahMos Supersonic Missile: JV (Russia, India)

Indigenous (All the indigenous missiles were developed through Integrated Guided Missile Development Program)

• Short range surface-to-surface missile (code-named Prithvi)

• Short range low-level surface-to-air missile (code-named Trishul)

• Medium range surface-to-air missile (code-named Akash)

• Third-generation anti-tank missile (code-named Nag).

 

[Vyom]

As i said the Indians on PDF are never shy to box above their weight...any wonder you people don't allow any one else on your forums to burst the little bubble you live in.
The thread is not about the war or how many kills did PAF achieve but obviously the point is hard fot you to digest so digressing is an easy option.

You won all the wars, if that makes you happy. You are sitting right in New Delhi as you type this. All Disputed territories are under total control of Pakistan. Bangladesh never happened. There I burst my bubble.
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Opinions are fine as long as they don't contradict facts, for example the total electrical capacity of Pakistan is Half than that of one Indian state called Chattishgarh, with a population of 26 million, Low HDI, and a majority Tribal population. Yet, you guys half have done something industrially unparalleled in human history.
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GO to the Tejas threads, and all the innumerable threads that opened by Pakistanis members bashing India. I remember quite clearly the attitude of the Pakistani members when Indian Mars mission was launched and when it was successful. Give respect get respect, so is the way of the world.

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

LCA has 3000 crash-less flights to its account. Can you state the same for JF-17?

I'm glad that these are your standards.If the LCA didnt crash,then it's a mighty fighter jet.

 

[Major Shaitan Singh]

• Agni Missile Series

Military Trucks/off road vehicles
Joint Ventures

• Shaktiman trucks :JV (MAN, Vehicle Factory Jabalpur)

• Jonga :JV (Nissan, Vehicle Factory Jabalpur)

• BEML TATRA SeriesTATRA, BEML)

Indigenous

• Stallion Trucks series( Ashok Leyland ,VFJ)

Radars
BEL Wepon locating radar :JV(LRDE, Bharath Electronics limited)