Indian veteran: Calling ‘71 Indo-Pak war is not fully correct

[Centaur]

my regert is that bengalis should have choosed a peaceful annexation in 1960s when ayub khan offered it rather than going for surprise war at time of election which they won anyway

Bengali didn't go for any war ,all are propaganda.

how com suppressed people win a election for whole country and have a better GDP, doesnt make any sense to me..

Election was won but GDP of West pakistan was much higher for right reason .
As East side was oppressed by Hindu land Lords since British era
After the creation of Pakistan , Bengali life standard increased so fast. Although currently Bengali psedo intellectuals refuse to accept it.

After all the psedo intellectuals earn their food by spreading such false BS propaganda .

However, language movements and Urdu /Bengal is so sily and useless argument that I even don't bother to pay attention .
Nothing happened that times except some idiot shouted ,made chaos and paid the price. Now Panjabis are largest groups in Pakistan. If they can accept Urdu, why Bengalis can? After all Urdu is still mother language of 8% peoples and mostly muhajir ( correct me if I am wrong ). So I see no problem if Urdu is 1st language and other languages of joint Pakistan ( Bengali panjabi etc) is secondary but recognized language.

anyway history is always written by victors hence nazis are cruel people. but killing in Algeria by french is forgotten

Exactly . If Pakistan would not break that time , all mukti thugs would be skinned alive by patriot East Pakistani Bengali and bihari .
The thugs never got ant better opportunity in Bangladesh politics before 2009 . The traitors were forgotten from Bangladesh too.
Recently they are in pick form , because they are now political tool of awami league , although in most of cases true thugs are ignored , only chetona/ spiritual thugs are dominating here ,who fled to India during 1971 civil war.
Now even in BCS (bangladesh civil service ) examination ,30 % are dedicated to those murderer mukti family , yet all are getting non mukti awami league members .
Mukti will exist in bangladesh as paper tigers only.
Others will be beneficial and non political Bengalis will be screwed .
This is the great achievement by breaking Pakistan.
Now they are Festing on Bengali flesh by the bogus myth of freedom; freedom from own family,from own country.
@ziaulislam

 

[Mage]

No man, mukti robbers ,theives ( don't mind , my intention is not to hurt anyone,just I really hate those thugs ,and all thugs who betrayed against a joint country named Pakistan ,that was earned by the martyr blood of our forefathers ) can only kill civilians as well as rob them .
Mukti never even stand rapid fire sound from professional army .

You have no idea. India only got involved in 3rd December 1971. Who were fighting before that? When India got involved, other than Dhaka rest of the country were under Mukti Bahini control. Pak Army were driven out of Chittagong by Mid-May. Did Indian Army did that? How did Indian Army land safely in Tangail? Mukti fought those professional army head on and stood more than just a chance. Niazi surrendered because he had no other choice.

Only an idiot wants war. We hope if that happens your house gets bombed and everyone else cheers

We wouldn't be part of that war. It will be between India and Pakistan. We will cheer both of you to make maximum destruction.

Bengali didn't go for any war ,all are propaganda.

Election was won but GDP of West pakistan was much higher for right reason .
As East side was oppressed by Hindu land Lords since British era
After the creation of Pakistan , Bengali life standard increased so fast. Although currently Bengali psedo intellectuals refuse to accept it.

After all the psedo intellectuals earn their food by spreading such false BS propaganda .

However, language movements and Urdu /Bengal is so sily and useless argument that I even don't bother to pay attention .
Nothing happened that times except some idiot shouted ,made chaos and paid the price. Now Panjabis are largest groups in Pakistan. If they can accept Urdu, why Bengalis can? After all Urdu is still mother language of 8% peoples and mostly muhajir ( correct me if I am wrong ). So I see no problem if Urdu is 1st language and other languages of joint Pakistan ( Bengali panjabi etc) is secondary but recognized language.

Exactly . If Pakistan would not break that time , all mukti thugs would be skinned alive by patriot East Pakistani Bengali and bihari .
The thugs never got ant better opportunity in Bangladesh politics before 2009 . The traitors were forgotten from Bangladesh too.
Recently they are in pick form , because they are now political tool of awami league , although in most of cases true thugs are ignored , only chetona/ spiritual thugs are dominating here ,who fled to India during 1971 civil war.
Now even in BCS (bangladesh civil service ) examination ,30 % are dedicated to those murderer mukti family , yet all are getting non mukti awami league members .
Mukti will exist in bangladesh as paper tigers only.
Others will be beneficial and non political Bengalis will be screwed .
This is the great achievement by breaking Pakistan.
Now they are Festing on Bengali flesh by the bogus myth of freedom; freedom from own family,from own country.
@ziaulislam

Wow...we have a self hating Bengali here. You are lucky you weren't there in 71. If you were there then you would have become a collaborator and then eventually executed.
Then it would be Jacksparrow(1947-2015) RIP.

 

[Centaur]

we have a self hating Bengali here.

Lol who said that ? If I am not ready to exaggerate then I am a self hating Bengali? My dear sir I want to know the definition of self respect.
Declaring myself rich while I am not rich ,is self respect in your point of view ?
Do you forget the history of parmanent settlement by lord Cornwallis?
All land was robbed from muslims and handed over to Hindu land lords? Or it was not crime as the Hindu land lords we're Bengali ? So being oppressed by Hindu zminders are holiest act ?

How can muslims remain rich here where they were robbed since the parmanent settlement ?
So who is self hated bengali mate? Me or you ?
.

You have no idea. India only got involved in 3rd December 1971. Who were fighting before that? When India got involved, other than Dhaka rest of the country were under Mukti Bahini control.

Yes textbook history written by Indian Stooges .
However one day everyone will question about those fake myth too, like 3 millions.
However war is not only limited to direct invasion.

You are lucky you weren't there in 71. If you were there then you would have become a collaborator and then eventually executed.
Then it would be Jacksparrow(1947-2015) RIP.

Lol , most of Bengali Muslims were the supporters of their country Pakistan ,but this part isn't written in text books .
And the leaders of jama'ati islami were not war criminals.
They were just political victims .
If they supported sheikh hasina during 1991 election , there would be no so called war criminals existed .
However just a question , answer me honestly if you can.
Why Golam Azam sahab was spared from hanging .
According to your claim he was the chief war criminal.
So why he was spared ??
@Mage

 

[Trango Towers]

You have no idea. India only got involved in 3rd December 1971. Who were fighting before that? When India got involved, other than Dhaka rest of the country were under Mukti Bahini control. Pak Army were driven out of Chittagong by Mid-May. Did Indian Army did that? How did Indian Army land safely in Tangail? Mukti fought those professional army head on and stood more than just a chance. Niazi surrendered because he had no other choice.


We wouldn't be part of that war. It will be between India and Pakistan. We will cheer both of you to make maximum destruction.


Wow...we have a self hating Bengali here. You are lucky you weren't there in 71. If you were there then you would have become a collaborator and then eventually executed.
Then it would be Jacksparrow(1947-2015) RIP.

War can come anywhere you stupid lemming. What place is safe? You are dumb enough to want it. I hope it visits you.

 

[Mav3rick]

It is sad to hear this from a Bangladeshi.

You see everything from religious POV. Soldiers are humans too. Had they not surrendered then all of them would be killed by Mukti Bahinis. Niazi understood this. Do you think he surrendered because he wanted to? Or because he had to? As a General he was responsible for the lives of his soldiers. There is a difference between a civilian wanting an army to fight till death and a General and commanding officer, wanting his army to fight till death.

Looking at it from a different angle, 50k-60k armed and trained soldiers would have caused civilian deaths in the hundreds of thousands and thus their surrender also protected the lives of Bengali civilians/mukti bahni etc.

 

[HariSinghNalwa]

Lol who said that ? If I am not ready to exaggerate then I am a self hating Bengali? My dear sir I want to know the definition of self respect.
Declaring myself rich while I am not rich ,is self respect in your point of view ?
Do you forget the history of parmanent settlement by lord Cornwallis?
All land was robbed from muslims and handed over to Hindu land lords? Or it was not crime as the Hindu land lords we're Bengali ? So being oppressed by Hindu zminders are holiest act ?

How can muslims remain rich here where they were robbed since the parmanent settlement ?
So who is self hated bengali mate? Me or you ?
.

Yes textbook history written by Indian Stooges .
However one day everyone will question about those fake myth too, like 3 millions.
However war is not only limited to direct invasion.

Lol , most of Bengali Muslims were the supporters of their country Pakistan ,but this part isn't written in text books .
And the leaders of jama'ati islami were not war criminals.
They were just political victims .
If they supported sheikh hasina during 1991 election , there would be no so called war criminals existed .
However just a question , answer me honestly if you can.
Why Golam Azam sahab was spared from hanging .
According to your claim he was the chief war criminal.
So why he was spared ??
@Mage

You are right , some so called Bangabandhu type nationalist time to show MuktiBahini as a full fledged army with tanks and artillery but it just was a rag tag militia, Pakistan had their own militia like Razakars and I don't know if Pakistan would have won would they have give credit to razakars or their army if Indian Army wouldn't have crossed the border it would still be known as East Pakistan

 

[Kompromat]

It should be called the great Bengali betrayal.

 

[Old School]

There was nothing called the ‘second world war’. It was in fact liberation war for Europe , North Africa and East/ South East Asia. Their is basically no war but ‘liberation war’ to liberate one from invading army. Civil war does not exist either as that war is also a liberation war from the opposite side. Will everyone be happy then ?

 

[my2cents]

Lol who said that ? If I am not ready to exaggerate then I am a self hating Bengali? My dear sir I want to know the definition of self respect.
Declaring myself rich while I am not rich ,is self respect in your point of view ?
Do you forget the history of parmanent settlement by lord Cornwallis?
All land was robbed from muslims and handed over to Hindu land lords? Or it was not crime as the Hindu land lords we're Bengali ? So being oppressed by Hindu zminders are holiest act ?

How can muslims remain rich here where they were robbed since the parmanent settlement ?
So who is self hated bengali mate? Me or you ?
.

Yes textbook history written by Indian Stooges .
However one day everyone will question about those fake myth too, like 3 millions.
However war is not only limited to direct invasion.

Lol , most of Bengali Muslims were the supporters of their country Pakistan ,but this part isn't written in text books .
And the leaders of jama'ati islami were not war criminals.
They were just political victims .
If they supported sheikh hasina during 1991 election , there would be no so called war criminals existed .
However just a question , answer me honestly if you can.
Why Golam Azam sahab was spared from hanging .
According to your claim he was the chief war criminal.
So why he was spared ??
@Mage

Boy I am totally confused. If I am to break it down there are three players in the act. One Mukti(bengali), Two Bihari(Pakistani) and third Hindu(spoilers). When Pakistani army started their killing spree, who did they attack first. My understanding is that they attacked all nationalists, students, intellectuals and minority Hindus. Pakistani army took the help of islamists and urdu speaking Bihari immigrants to do their dirty work. West Pakistan then annualed the elections and took Mujib into custody.

So, it is only natural that nationalists and Mukti started attacking the islamists and urdu speaking immigrants. When armed personal in your army rebelled against Pakistan army then the war escalated. Millions of war refugees started pouring into India which prompted India to act. Indira went to all the major powers in the world to appraise them about the war crimes and rapes that were perpetuated by Pakistani army. Only Russia gave her moral support in case of war. US was ambivalent because they had friend in Yahya Khan. India had to act to bring the situation under control.

 

[Centaur]

Mukti(bengali), Two Bihari(Pakistani) and third Hindu(spoilers

I do not blame you. Everyone is confused about this.
Thanks

If you were there then you would have become a collaborator and then eventually executed.
Then it would be Jacksparrow(1947-2015) RIP

Lol one thing I missed , and that is the so called war criminals jama'ati islami. In reality they are just victims of political killing .if they supported BAL instead of BNP in 1991 election when hasina went to gulam Azam , they would be considered as the purest Islamic ally to the awami league ally of Islamic republic of Bangladesh , and the Islamic tablet would be in high demand instead of current chetona tablet /spirit of freedom tablet .
And their would be milad mahfil, dua ,zikir asgar,in 16 December instead of country song and secular lecture .

It should be called the great Bengali betrayal.

No brother, it's not bengali betrayal, but it should be called as the greatest miscommunication.
However it's also desicive indian victory over Pakistan ,or a great revenge from India for that defeat of 1965 war.
Pakistan should be more carefully fortified East pakistan long before 1970 election IMHO.
I am primarily inspired by the book dead reckoning though .

You are right , some so called Bangabandhu type nationalist time to show MuktiBahini as a full fledged army with tanks and artillery but it just was a rag tag militia, Pakistan had their own militia like Razakars and I don't know if Pakistan would have won would they have give credit to razakars or their army if Indian Army wouldn't have crossed the border it would still be known as East Pakistan

Hm, but unfortunately bangabandhu sheikh mujib lost control over his own party thugs long before 7 March .he was sort of hostage by them and by indian think tank. However I don't blame India as it was their war plan.
I blame pkaistani intelligence failure and also too much tolerance .
As sharmila Bose wrote in her book that even army was regularly attacked be separatist from 7 March to 26 March 1971 .
She wondered about that factor .
Any army would take action , but Pakistan army remain silent in order to obey high command order.
And that now cost the breaking of Pakistan and also the real Pakistanis (bengali) lost their pure identity.
However it was hard to rule if a country formed like this meaning 1500 mile gap and no land border .
Yet both side can be separated peacefully with a referendum.
Then those propagandist and paid thug wouldn't be able to suck Bengali blood now they are doing in the name of chetona / spiritism.
No country in the world was established with such infame and the slender is now propogating as a glory . Pathetic indeed.
But if Pakistan wouldn't lost , the benglais ( not biharis but Bengalis ) would really skinned the mukti alive , I can bet .
There is lot of hater to those spiritist among peoples ,but we(bangladeshi) love to deny this reality .

 

[Mage]

Lol who said that ? If I am not ready to exaggerate then I am a self hating Bengali? My dear sir I want to know the definition of self respect.
Declaring myself rich while I am not rich ,is self respect in your point of view ?
Do you forget the history of parmanent settlement by lord Cornwallis?
All land was robbed from muslims and handed over to Hindu land lords? Or it was not crime as the Hindu land lords we're Bengali ? So being oppressed by Hindu zminders are holiest act ?

How can muslims remain rich here where they were robbed since the parmanent settlement ?
So who is self hated bengali mate? Me or you ?
.

Yes textbook history written by Indian Stooges .
However one day everyone will question about those fake myth too, like 3 millions.
However war is not only limited to direct invasion.

Lol , most of Bengali Muslims were the supporters of their country Pakistan ,but this part isn't written in text books .
And the leaders of jama'ati islami were not war criminals.
They were just political victims .
If they supported sheikh hasina during 1991 election , there would be no so called war criminals existed .
However just a question , answer me honestly if you can.
Why Golam Azam sahab was spared from hanging .
According to your claim he was the chief war criminal.
So why he was spared ??
@Mage

I'm not talking about being rich or poor. I am talking about it your apologetic attitude towards Pakistan regarding 1971.

And I am not talking about 3million dead. I am talking about Niazi's surrender. A d what I say is supported by many who actually saw the war first hand. Niazi did not surrender because he was a coward but because he was responsible for his soldiers.

Those Jamaati leaders are indeed political victims. But that does not mean that they are not war criminals.

If most of the Muslim Bengalis supported Pakistan, then there would be no Bangladesh today. You need to get you facts right. Not many did participate in the war but you could see the cheer in 1971 December. It wouldn't be that way if people were passionately in favour of Pakistan.

Looking at it from a different angle, 50k-60k armed and trained soldiers would have caused civilian deaths in the hundreds of thousands and thus their surrender also protected the lives of Bengali civilians/mukti bahni etc.

Aye. But I do think life of Pakistani soldiers is what Niazi cared when he agreed terms of surrender. They had already killed hundred thousands by then anyway.

War can come anywhere you stupid lemming. What place is safe? You are dumb enough to want it. I hope it visits you.

Keep Bangladesh out of your India Pakistan war.

It should be called the great Bengali betrayal.

Not really. It is great Bengali victory and for Pakistan a humiliating defeat.

 

[Trango Towers]

I'm not talking about being rich or poor. I am talking about it your apologetic attitude towards Pakistan regarding 1971.

And I am not talking about 3million dead. I am talking about Niazi's surrender. A d what I say is supported by many who actually saw the war first hand. Niazi did not surrender because he was a coward but because he was responsible for his soldiers.

Those Jamaati leaders are indeed political victims. But that does not mean that they are not war criminals.

If most of the Muslim Bengalis supported Pakistan, then there would be no Bangladesh today. You need to get you facts right. Not many did participate in the war but you could see the cheer in 1971 December. It wouldn't be that way if people were passionately in favour of Pakistan.

Aye. But I do think life of Pakistani soldiers is what Niazi cared when he agreed terms of surrender. They had already killed hundred thousands by then anyway.

Keep Bangladesh out of your India Pakistan war.

Not really. It is great Bengali victory and for Pakistan a humiliating defeat.

You are talking of Bangladesh I didn't even mention it and plus you are good friends with India so enjoy

 

[Centaur]

I am talking about it your apologetic attitude towards Pakistan regarding 1971.

There is no reason to apologetic attitude to pakistan as this part was pakistan too.
Just trying to explain my feelings and feelings of most of bangladeshis in my time.
And what is Pakistan ? A concept of 1940? And a country that formed in 1947 ?
Well this 40 and 47 will be alive forever in our Muslim mind ( I am not pure muslim, I am sinner though ) ,that a Homeland, and identity that indian muslim got.
Now break the land piece by piece, yet the spirit of two nation , spirit of home for Muslims , will alive forever.
And I am also a Pakistani( Pakistan= land of the pures, so you know the meaning of a Pakistani ) too if you filter me with Lahore resolution proposed by Sher e Bangla .
Every Muslim from indian subcontinent is Pakistani who believe in a separate Homeland for Muslims .
Here this Pakistan isn't limited to the land of West pakistan ,but this is alive in Muslim mind . I always t
Speak for that living Pakistan idea founded in 1940 .
And 1971 was wasn't against West pakistan, but it was against Lahore resolution, it was against Sher e Bangla , it was against Hussein Shahid sohrawardi (founder of awami league who even couldn't speak well in Bengali ), and indeed the 1971 India Pakistan war is against sheikh mujib and benglais too propogate by India. But that's the forgotten part at that moment.

Those Jamaati leaders are indeed political victims. But that does not mean that they are not war criminals.

How many jamaat leaders you have met personally? How do you know that if they are good or bad peoples?
I met them personally , I believe most of bangladeshis like them ,just bangladehsi and Pakistani people misunderstood the concept of sharia law. That's the reason jamaat don't get much vote.
Jamaat leaders , shibir ( student branch of jamaat) members are the most polite people, most obidient to elders , most respectful to ladies yet jamat is bad and war criminal?
Can you explain what happened suddenly that those nice peoples turned in to so called rapists and horned demons ?

It was for propaganda. The propaganda to show islam as slender ,infamous , to potray muslims as hypocrites , as Islamic unity can be deadly to them.you are atheist and friendly to India, you even refuse Muslim torture by bjp government, what else I can expect from You ?
You will not understand that Islam is not to harass you, but is to protect you always .

Why bengal was divided ? Because in joint Bengal Muslims were 60% and vinayak savarkar invented hindutva and mother India concept in order to be part of India.

Where were the crocodile tears of so called Bengalis that time ? That time hindutva was their main reason .
What about the war crimes of direct action day ( do you know what is the day?) when's hindu thugs start killing innocent Muslims on the street of Kolkata? Why dont you level them as war criminals ? They were killing your Bengalis.
But do you even recognize the martyrs ? They are terrorist right because they are Muslim?
But you know the noakhali riot correct? And you recognize the victims as martyrs because victims of Kolkata riots are Muslims so terrorist by default, and victims of noakhali riots are martyr as they are hindus ?

The real problem is you peoples start crying on Bengali B.S nationism when Muslims speak for their religion. Muslims want religious freedom.
That time poepls like you start crying that why we always speak about Islam . Why not bengali blah blah ...
(And as a result jamatis are bad , war criminals, rapist ,killers , horned demons ,Pakistan army also portrait as demons and hanadar/raider .
No one want to understand that in Pakistan ,Pakistani army isn't raider but the real raider is indian army ,as they are the army from another country. But you guys have Bengali propaganda that time )

Finally in short, Pakistan is not a piece of land that you guys misunderstood and dislike. Pakistan is an identity, pakistan is a recognization of a separate Muslim Homeland , a recognization that sub Continent Muslims have the right to live as seperate nation , and this part you won't understand.

Pakistan zindabad , Lahore resolution zindabad, birth right and living right of indian subcontinent Muslims as seperate nation zindabad.

@Mage

 

[Centaur]

Not really. It is great Bengali victory and for Pakistan a humiliating defeat.

Great Bengali victory ? Bengalis of West Bengal I guess ?Because Bengali from East Bengal was the majority of pakistani population and they were extremely loyal to their Homeland Pakistan !
And on the other hand West Bengalis always wanted to be a part of India instead of forming a separate country based on language, only because Muslims would be 60% in that country,so definitely this so called Bengali victory was for the bengali of West Bengal.

However Muslims choose Pakistan because the tiny land wasn't enough to survive alone as a nation as everything was in West Bengal during partition.

Do you know what BJP leaders were saying in 1971 ? They were threatening to devour east Bengal aka east pakistan in order to create akhand Bharat !

Indeed the victory was big enough for showing this audacity for India.

 

[HariSinghNalwa]

Infact MuktiBahini was not even trained by Army but BSF and were trained in Guerrilla warfare not war exercises with co ordination of Navy and air force ,who wrested controls of ports by Pakistan and stop aerial supply, these Bangabandhu type nationalist who call us "Mitrosena " like you had any Sena at that time.